I have loved doing Waterbury workouts. However are there any total body splits that focus on hypertrophy. The triples injured me (my fault). I am not into breaking up bodyparts anymore. Suggestions?
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha
Ye ol’ 20 Rep Squat routine?
That’s a proven mass builder and it’s about as total-body as you can get.
Just DAMN hard, that’s all!
But Chad Waterbury is convinced that this is the best method, at least to lifters in pre-steroid era. I am thinking of Girondas 8x8 which would be a total change and IS NOT a total body routine.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha[/quote]
[quote]Navin Johnson wrote:
But Chad Waterbury is convinced that this is the best method, at least to lifters in pre-steroid era. I am thinking of Girondas 8x8 which would be a total change and IS NOT a total body routine.
mr popular wrote:
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha
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Well if Chad said.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha[/quote]
you dont think full body training is good for hypertrophy? i have heard really convincing arguments from both sides
Derek, i have seen a few routines with the 20rep squats incorporated in, can you give the link to the one your talking about? i’m pretty sure i know which you mean but not 100%
[quote]Navin Johnson wrote:
But Chad Waterbury is convinced that this is the best method, at least to lifters in pre-steroid era. I am thinking of Girondas 8x8 which would be a total change and IS NOT a total body routine.
mr popular wrote:
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha[/quote]
Chad Waterbury is wrong. I suggest you listen to Poliquin and Dave Tate instead of him.
TBT is great for 3X/week training. For 4+ days/week training, you’re better off doing a split routine.
[quote]doosl wrote:
TBT is great for 3X/week training. For 4+ days/week training, you’re better off doing a split routine.[/quote]
Would the HST fall into what I am looking for? That is the same exercises 3x a week, just at a lower intensity.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Navin Johnson wrote:
But Chad Waterbury is convinced that this is the best method, at least to lifters in pre-steroid era. I am thinking of Girondas 8x8 which would be a total change and IS NOT a total body routine.
mr popular wrote:
Any routine that has you getting stronger coupled with eating a weight-gaining diet is going to “focus” on “hypertrophy”, but the reality is Total Body Workouts tend to do a poor job of bodybuilding compared to split training. So my suggestion is to stop doing total body training haha
Chad Waterbury is wrong. I suggest you listen to Poliquin and Dave Tate instead of him.
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nobody is wrong. every coach here on T-Nation has their ways of training thats works for them and their clients. you cant say Chad is wrong cuz, if you look at him, he’s jacked! and he does total body training. Poliquin uses splits, and he’s jacked too.
thats why i like coach Thibs training style…variety. he doesnt use splits exclusively, nor total body workouts. he uses both! and thats the way it should be because they BOTH work!
thats why the best way to train is to alternate b/w higher volume/lower frequency and lower volume/higher frequency. that way, the body doesnt get adapted to one training “system” and continually adapts!
Wait… what pictures of Chad Waterbury have you been looking at that make you think he’s “jacked”?
If you can only make it to the gym a certain number of times a week, the choice is clear. Clear eyes.
3x a week total body workouts and cardio on other days is how my schedule falls.
There’s nothing wrong with full body training, but it is not the best method for bodybuilding purposes and there’s no reason beyond hero worship to believe that it is.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
If you can only make it to the gym a certain number of times a week, the choice is clear. Clear eyes.
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so you think the more you can train the more splits would be better?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
There’s nothing wrong with full body training, but it is not the best method for bodybuilding purposes and there’s no reason beyond hero worship to believe that it is. [/quote]
why do you think splits are superior for hypertrophy? (not disagreeing, just wondering your reasons)
[quote]Navin Johnson wrote:
doosl wrote:
TBT is great for 3X/week training. For 4+ days/week training, you’re better off doing a split routine.
Would the HST fall into what I am looking for? That is the same exercises 3x a week, just at a lower intensity. [/quote]
I really like HST, but if you do it be sure to read about it more than just the T-Nation article. There is a lot of options: you can alternate two different routines (different exercises for the whole body) for example.
I think its very good because its hard to go wrong with it: you pick basic exercises, you start easy and add weight progressively, and end beating your previous best. The hypertrophy will depend only of eating and resting.
[quote]Sagat wrote:
Navin Johnson wrote:
doosl wrote:
TBT is great for 3X/week training. For 4+ days/week training, you’re better off doing a split routine.
Would the HST fall into what I am looking for? That is the same exercises 3x a week, just at a lower intensity.
I really like HST, but if you do it be sure to read about it more than just the T-Nation article. There is a lot of options: you can alternate two different routines (different exercises for the whole body) for example.
I think its very good because its hard to go wrong with it: you pick basic exercises, you start easy and add weight progressively, and end beating your previous best. The hypertrophy will depend only of eating and resting.[/quote]
so you’ve done it before successfully? i tried it last summer and it was pretty good i guess, it feels weird starting so light
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Wait… what pictures of Chad Waterbury have you been looking at that make you think he’s “jacked”?[/quote]
Hey man, people should take a little easier on the criticim here, its true he is no pro BBer, but i still think its impressive someone going from 160lb to 260 (or 280, whaterver) or squating 600lb naturally (even not naturally its impressive)…
I also disagree with some of his stuff, but i learned a lot with his articles, and the guy was always nice answering a few questions here. If you dont like some (or any)of his advice, why simply not doing it, instead of all that internet war against him?
[quote]David1991 wrote:
so you’ve done it before successfully? i tried it last summer and it was pretty good i guess, it feels weird starting so light[/quote]
Yes, i did it only once, i liked the results both strength and mass even tough i didnt it as i planned because of unexpected injuries. I really plan to do it again, but i want to focus on other goals for a while first.
[quote]Sagat wrote:
David1991 wrote:
so you’ve done it before successfully? i tried it last summer and it was pretty good i guess, it feels weird starting so light
Yes, i did it only once, i liked the results both strength and mass even tough i didnt it as i planned because of unexpected injuries. I really plan to do it again, but i want to focus on other goals for a while first.
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i never understood how people could see strength gains on it. your only supposed to end at or about your max at the end of each rep cycle so how would you even know you got stronger from it
[quote]David1991 wrote:
<<< Tiribulus wrote:
There’s nothing wrong with full body training, but it is not the best method for bodybuilding purposes and there’s no reason beyond hero worship to believe that it is.
why do you think splits are superior for hypertrophy? (not disagreeing, just wondering your reasons)
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Somebody can get big and strong doing full body, however if somebody starts with full body and continues for a long time, nobody is convincing me they won’t end with groups that they wish they’d given more direct attention to, if bodybuilding goals are what were talking about. Especially if they go the route of avoiding isolation work wholesale.
Bi’s, tri’s abs, calves and lateral delts will not be what they could’ve been. I’m making no pronouncements beyond the fact that the guy who picks push, pull, overhead, lower and does nothing else may wind up a lot bigger and stronger overall, but he will not have the package development of somebody who spent some time adapting his routine as he progressed and learned to listen to and evaluate his body.