What bf% are you? What am we’re youre previous cycles
5’7 and 207 is damn big
My ffmi is 23.88, you’re is like… 27! And that’s at 20% bf (if you were)
Should be noted only the top 5% of men have an FFMI above 22, many here harbour unrealistic expectations as to how big they should be
I would guess I’m 16% bf right now. I could maybe be as high as 18% but I don’t think so. Last cycle was my first and before I started I was hovering near 180lbs and I would say like 12%. 180 was an average. Some weeks I could weigh below 180 consistently, some weeks I’d be a little more.
16% is where I think I am now
All my fat is stored around my stomach so abdominal definition isn’t a great indicator
I go by skin tightness, vascularity (I have a bit on my shoulders, biceps, forearms, triceps, traps, neck etc) and I’m not a genetically vascular guy. Abs are mostly visible IF flexed, but no deep cuts/separation… unflexed you can see the outline, in the right lighting you’d perhaps be able to see a traditional six pack
Depending on how I measure I’ll get different results. My scale indicates I’m 18%, but if I drink a bunch of water or wear heavy clothes it’ll say I’m 20+, naked I’m 18… I think it’s judging by weight rather than actual composition… also it said my 135lb, 14% friend was 36% so… bod pod scan (public) said 10% but there’s no possible way I’m 10%, or if I am I have the shittiest genetics ever in terms of fat storage
You know what’ll help you curb you’re appetite!!! Take up smoking cigarettes… clinically proven to reduce appetite as nicotine is a stimulant (albeit an extremely addictive one)… be like those super masculine, handsome Marlborough men… many of whom died in their late 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s due to premature cardiovascular disease, COPD and cancers of the lungs, throat etc…
Here’s the kicker, I’ve been addicted to nicotine for 12 years. I smoked cigs on and off from 18 to 21. When e-cigarettes came out I switched completely. I also used the gums and lozenges for a while and had maybe 6 months nictotine free total lol. I stopped vaping again when I started my cycle and have just been using the gums and lozenges since then.
You’ve probably built up a tolerance to the effects of nicotine. For those not used to the compound it’s a fairly reliable cognitive enhancer, appetite suppressant… tolerance builds quickly though
We don’t know the long term ailment associated with vaping, whilst I do believe it’s media hysteria and black market THC cartridges causing a lot of the lung ailments within teens. A few cases of Juul smoking teens requring lung transplants from supposedly only using nicotine vaping products is concerning. Not advocating you vape nicotine or smoke cigarettes as that’s a personal choice (until it’s not and it’s a full out addiction that you can’t stop even if you wanted to)… but one needs to be aware there is the possibility vaping will turn out to be more dangerous than cigarettes
I took a hit of a Juul at a party once (they’re contraband in Aus so we are like “FUCK THATS A JUUUUULLLL, we aren’t supposed to do that… it’s illigal… let’s TRY IT”)… one hit made me lightheaded, others can smoke an entire pod in one day
I consider myself to have quit vaping for the most part. I’ve used the gums and stuff exclusively for 7 months now and I don’t miss it.
People are always looking for some weird chemical in the vapor that can harm your lungs, like diacetyl or whatever. Cigarettes have thousands of such chemicals, and also leaves a shit ton of tar on your lungs, while vaping does not. From my point of view, they’re either equally harmful or cigarettes are more harmful. There is no possibility in my mind that vaping is more harmful than smoking.
Mmmmmmm yes there certainly is, esp with black market vaping products. Look up some of the dodgy ways people extract hash oil from cannabis flower… they’re both best not to fuck with… or do fuck with them if you know the risks… I’m not you’re parents, I’m not going to tell you what to do
But props on quitting smoking. The acute toxicity regarding cigarettes is far lower with a regular tobacco rolled cigarette compared to Juul wherein it’s actually theoretically with very heavy use to acutely smoke an amount that would lead one to have symptoms of nicotine poisoning
Long term, their probably equally detrimental
One needs to remember one of the main things that makes darts as bad as they are is all the additive addictive/carcinogenic compounds used in the growing and processing phase to enhance bioavailability etc
Not saying home grown dart isn’t bad, it is… but probably not nearly to the extent commercial tobacco is. Interestingly the roll you’re own tobacco is even worse for you (contains even more additives/carcinogenic chemicals added)… I’ve had to tell this to numerous people who have stated “yes but I but RYO so it’s healtheir”… no it fucking isn’t… firstly smoking just about anything, EVEN cannabis isn’t good for you’re respiratory or cardiovascular health long term… and secondly look up the literature, you’re actually better of smoking pre rolled cigarettes
I personally think if anyone still decides to drink or smoke or use any other recreational drugs and doesn’t have the discipline to quit, has no business using steroids. AAS come with enough side effects as it is and it doesn’t help to compound the situation by using other drugs (including junk food).
SB
This is debatable, I’m not condoning or denouncing rec drug use… but there’s a big difference between a night out on a hefty maintenance TRT dose (say 200-250mg weekly) and a night out on 300mg test 500mg tren, orals, GH etc
The one is far more deleterious in the long term comparative to the other
Should also be mentioned many bodybuilders use what one could consider recreational drugs to speed up metabolism (ephedra, stimulants of various nature’s etc)… some use benzodiazepines to help sleep, worst I’ve heard of is cocaine use while dieting… what’s the difference here? The one is for fun and the other is to achieve a certain physique, regardless of purpose it’s still abusing drugs of recreation
Many don’t use these things (and good), many do… if I recall correctly either Dennis wolf or Markhus Ruhl would smoke cigarettes in the week or so prior to comp to curb appetite… does it work??? Yes, but there are far more effective ways to go about curbing appetite that don’t involve inhaling 70+ Carcinogens per drag
It’s an individualistic decision, is it stupid to abuse drugs and drink heavily on cycle… yes, many of these compounds are profoundly catabolic and will dramatically hinder gains made as well as induce a vastly elevated state of risk. But if someone does it, I’ll tell them the risks, tell them what I THINK… but im not going to say this person somehow doesn’t have the “right” or “choice” to use, it may be irresponsible but that’s his/her decision
Yes there are, like will power and discipline. I wasn’t referring to TRT but some one who cycles the harsher drugs.
SB
The same concept still goes though, some use 250-350mg as “trt”, using rec substances with this combo will still elevate long term risk than drinking without a TT of like 1400-2300… but it’s not equatable to harsh cycling and drug use… still not ideal at all
Ideal would be no drugs or steroids lol. Drug use is bad news (a bit conservative) however prolonged use leads to more harm then good, many use to dull emotional pain or trauma, and whilst it does help acutely, when dependence develops now you’ve got a drug habit that you have to pay for, escalating doses and as withdrawal/homeostasis sets back in all prior problems are just amplified as they’ve been bottled up/muted for so long… that and the neurological dysregulation induced by many substances further compound issues tremendously… therapy is cheaper in the long run I’d assume
I’m not saying everyone uses drugs/drinks because of this… I just think many seem to become addicted due to this. Those who experiment for the sense of mere fun without any other intent for getting inebriated seem to get off with better outcomes
I can’t be convinced that smoking weed or hitting the THC pen a few times at night is bad for you. I just can’t lol. But during my nearly 5 month cycle I had 2 beers total and they were both toward the beginning.
I did for a few years, it made me lazy, unmotivated and a bum. Couldn’t study during my masters degree either.
SB
It is, cannabis may have deleterious effects on the cardiovascular system (after all it does dramatically raise BP and HR… carcinogens are also present in cannabis smoke, many of the same that are present in cigarette smoke… however cannabis also has a few antioxidant properties within certain cannabinoids/terpenes and doesn’t appear to paralyse cilia within the lungs, thus toxins with pure cannabis may be filtered more effectively, even if hypothetically more were present in cannabis smoke compared to cigarette smoke… which may be the case)
Cannabis and tobacco combination however due to what I said previously may be even worse than tobacco alone. Permenant cognitive deficits may be present within frequent users over prolonged periods of time (and generalised regular to semi regular users who start prior to the age of 17… according to literature that is) there’s a lot to it, and not enough time for me to explain… but cannabis is NOT harmless, even if it’s being legalised, legal doesn’t equate to harmless… it merely means the governments are fed up of enforcing laws that harm and stigmatise a minority, the benefits of legalisation in terms of money reaped in (taxation), overall quality control/regulation outweigh the risks
It may be a far cry from booze, but it’s not something to fuck with lightly either
Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, acute psychosis, acute cognitive impairment etc are known complications that are certainly possible. Inhaling any heated, combusted plant matter puts strain on you’re respiratory system… it’s annoying me how cannabis is now being touted as “healthy” and “hip”… it’s neither, it’s a recreational drug that when used reasonably can be an AWFUL lot of fun, but like all substances of recreation, serious abuse brings both chronic and acute detriment. Are there medicinal properties that benefit certain demographics? Yes, it can be a lifesaver for certain types of anxiety/chronic pain and whatnot for specified demographics. However even then it’s not without risk… it’s just in this case regular use has a perceivable benefit/risk ratio in favour of the user
Can sort of relate. When I use cannabis I feel hazy and unproductive for the next 12-24 hours (though this appears to be batch dependent, so cannabinoid/terpene profile actually does appear to make a difference)… I mean i’ve never smoked a joint in my life #certainlygoingtoAmStErDaM for just the scenery and not trying anything else
It’s individualistic in nature, some can function fine whilst smoking almost 24/7, whilst others like you and I would NEVER be able to study/hold down a regular 9/5 job using regularly
I’m the opposite. I’ve been consuming cannabis nearly every day since I was 16. I graduated from my undergrad summa cum laude and I’m working toward a Master’s now. I prefer studying high, although I always take my exams sober.
Although I smoke every night and could go to work high and do fine or even better than I do sober, I choose not to. It’s innappropriate. On the other hand, society apparently considers amphetamines like Adderall to be appropriate for work. Go figure.
Just like how it’s perfectly acceptable in Aus for a kid to down a case of beer but smoking a joint is grounds to get arrested/convicted if second offence
It’s like that in most states in the US as well. Times are certainly changing though.