21 Yrs Old, Ran a Few Cycles. First Time with Tren, Advice?

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To be fully upfront about my situation in order to get the best help and advice, ill state first that I’ve been told multiple times over that im too young too be taking steroids. I’m 21 but I’ve already done a few cycles. Not looking for more people to bash on me for it, as I have my own reasons doing it, but feel free to voice your opinion. At the moment I’m thinking about running my first Tren cycle, but have a few questions I’d like to ask the community here before I turn to doing more of my own research. I always do research on anything I think about putting in my body, and have had what I would consider to be very successful cycles, my last one finished earlier this year.

Was a basic test e cycle with Dianabol as a kickstarter, had to end the cycle a few weeks early due to some unfortunate circumstances but overall was still very please with the lasting results went from about 180 lbs to 195 by the end of week 5, 208 by the end of week 10. Been done with the PCT for a few months now, and have been around 198 since. Was the most gains I’ve had so far by quite a fair amount. I’ve known since that I wanted my next cycle to be Tren instead of just Test E and had somewhat of a plan made up for it, but the more I thought about it, I started to realize that I want to fully understand Tren before I decided to run it.

Originally I was thinking about doing Tren A + Test E + wanted to do Dianabol again as a kickstart since it was super efficient in my last cycle. However, I realized that since Tren A is a short ester, is Dianabol even necessary to take with it since its supposed to kick in quicker then Tren E? I know that If i ran Tren E instead I would be able to. One of the main things I don’t fully understand is the benefits of Tren A vs Tren E other than the fact that Tren A kicks in quicker and stronger, that being said, is there really any major long term(lasting) benefits to taking one over the other when it comes to the final outcome?

The other thing I was wondering about was if trying to front load the Test E with either of these cycles would be a good idea or not, Ive seen plenty of people recommend it when doing Test E on its own, but don’t know if the effect and/or sides would be different after adding either Tren to the mix. So the different cycles I’ve now thought up are as follows:

  1. Tren E + Test E (Frontload) + Dianabol
  2. Tren E + Test E + Dianabol
  3. Tren A + Test E (Frontload) + Dianabol(?)
  4. Tren A + Test E + Dianabol
  5. Tren A + Test E

If i could get some advice on the questions and thoughts about what would be the best cycle here( and why please) I’d greatly appreciate it, thanks in advance.

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Forgot to mention, but also have been reading studies about Testosterone + HGH synergy have only seen good things about the combo so far and that they synergies extremely well when combined. Does anyone have experience with stacking the two? if so would love to hear your thoughts on whether HGH would be good to add to one of my proposed cycles, I’ve taken HGH before as well but never have tried stacking it with anything else before.

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Do you have reason to believe that test + dbol won’t work for your second cycle?

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no not at all, I’ve only done test + dbol a handful of times but so far it’s worked fairly well for me. The reason for this post is mostly due to the fact that I’ve read and been told that Tren is a much more effective cycle, but also more advanced when it comes to the risks. so i would simply like to see it for myself. I’d just like to see if I can run one of these cycles safely so that I can see what Tren is like for myself, even if only one time.

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Tren A > Tren E for first time users… Why? Easier to bail if you can’t handle the sides. I am regurgitating here because I’ve never used it but this principal applies to all short versus long esters. Since the half life is so much shorter, when and if you need to bail, your sides will clear faster. Just my two cents.

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Please use paragraphs.

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thank for the helpful advice, will keep that in mind!

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I take the approach of trying to ride out whats working until it isn’t anymore, then you can make a choice to do something different.

There are examples of people gaining and gaining on only test. You are upping your risk with multiple compounds and especially tren. It is up to you, but I would want to make sure I actually needed tren before using it.

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Have you run any other compounds besides test & dbol?

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If you’re going to use tren then skip the dbol. And front loading test is one of these practices that needs to die.

Have you looked into low test with tren? That seems to be popular in a lot of circles and guys report (anecdotally) fewer sides.

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I second this. Do as little as necessary to make gains. And honestly, at 21 you should be very very cautious and borderline scared of jumping straight to Tren. I know I am. If you don’t respect Tren, it won’t respect you.

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I ran Tren my second blast (this year, age 25), I’m a fan of the stuff and while it’s certainly a mixed bag in this regard, in many ways I feel damn good on it. That said…

Perhaps you’re equipped to handle to psychological effects of Tren at 21 y/o but I can tell ya I sure as hell wasn’t and I can vividly recall several specific instances where if the negative psych effects of Tren (amoral sex drive, egomania, an aggressive sense of aggrievement towards people who get in your way or don’t give you what you want, psychopathic detachment from the feelings and value of other people, spontaneous suicidal ideation, etc…) were to have been added to my mental state at the time, I very well may have made awful permanently life altering mistakes I’d have never been able to take back or repair the damage from.

Basically, you have to be more than comfortable managing your emotions and don’t let Tren steer the wheel, if you do, it might become ‘Cluster B in a vial’ pretty damn quick.

If you choose to do it, I second the recommendation of Ace over Enan; 30-50 mg pinned ED would be a solid start.

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The only problems I have on tren are

  1. Hypersexuality,

  2. Cant sleep for shit

  3. If anyone gets in my way I get mad as fuck.

Apart from that, Tren is a great ride.

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Those are all pretty dangerous to a 21 year old brain. You’re a grown man and have experience handling your emotions and your life. Most 21 year olds don’t. Would you agree?

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How long do you expect to continually you tren for… as in, when are you coming off?

Not trying to tell you what to do, however there has been a very distinct change within you’re mentality/demeanor on these forums (from my perception) since you’ve started using this compound

This isn’t healthy… like at all, as a matter of fact (no offence) it comes across as arrogant/overtly aggressive. You don’t want to be that guy who ends up having assault charges pressed against him because you decked some dude for getting in you’re way on the line to Starbucks or something. The sexual aggression may be detrimental overall, especially if you end up hurting someone. If you aren’t willing to stop using tren soon, I’d suggest seriously analysing you’re behaviour so you can notice “hey, it’s just the tren talking” at the time oddities occur, rather than instantaneously acting on said desires.

You may not care/notice pharmacologically induced change, primarily due to the neurological effect tren is inducing; but remember they can have a massive impact ono those around you. I always say individualistic choice doesn’t matter/deserve to be penalised unless said actions hurt others, if you get to a point where tren interferes with relationships/ability to control temper I’d seriously recommend reanalysing whether it’s particularly worth taking this compound, sweet gains only matter such much compared to a loving significant other or say… a criminal record. There are other ways to accomplish you’re goals besides tren

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You’ve noticed that as well?

Lmao I thought I was the only one. Our fellow juicer is turning into quite the stereotypical tren bro.

I think tren amplifys whatever personality you already have. For me I joke a lot (as I’m sure y’all on the forum have noticed) and enjoy laughing. I notice tren just makes me more “jokey” so to speak. I have less patience on it as well but I’m usually able to catch myself when I notice my patience running thin.

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Yes but the problem arises when drug use clouds judgement to the point where one can’t realise the changes occurring towards his/her personality. Given not many of my cohort uses AAS (though a few have talked to me about hopping on, too which I dispense advice relating to harm minimisation without making out like I know a lot about steroids and then pretty much say “I’d recommend you don’t, but I’m not here to tell you what to do”… problem is aside from being uneducated, these guys tend to use quite a lot of recreational drugs too, and they want to hop on tren straight away…

The majority of personalty shifts I’ve seen in relation to demeanour/personality happens to be in relation to recreational drug addiction, depending on the substance used it can be rather subtle, and at other times rather overt… however if you know the person well enough it’s fairly evident when demeanour obviously changes, excuses are made in order to avoid certain situations where drugs aren’t available etc. I’m not here to tell people not to use things or to use things, however I do feel it’s nessecary to try push/guide one towards the right path without being a self righteous judgemental dick if I can observably see large scale change being induced by substance abuse.

If OP lives in Amsterdam, may I jokingly suggest smoking a marijuana cigarette, it’ll chill him out (well… depends on individualistic reaction) when all angry and… trenny… Obviously I don’t condone drug use, however I smoke weed every now and then (fuck you respiratory system and neurological function) haha (not within the past six weeks though, exams are unfortunately priority yeet)… was recently invited to a hot tub party with lots of girls, and I hate to kiss my own ass here but I said no in order to study #willpower #beingaloser

good for pain, and just generally making everything zany and funny. I originally thought cannabis only made people seem funny, however (it’s gone now, I was like “DELETE THAT NOOOOOOOWWWW”) there was a video taken of me when I was high and I have to say… I was very, very funny… in general, my demeanour, the things I said etc were all legitimately hilarious. Cannabis may have a deleterious effect on the cardiovascular system however and does elect pro-arrythmiac effects… probably not great with tren, but there won’t be an angry bone in his body

Only time I’ve ever noticed a shift in personality is in relation to drostanolone (on it now actually) and nandrolone. Nandrolone made me feel somewhat more confident/alpha even at the low dose of 50-75mg/wk, however it also made everything appear more bleak, gloomy within my outlook of the world (already a profoundly pessimistic person), interestingly I enjoyed this though. Drostanolonoe seemed to increase my confidence and ability to socialise somewhat, made me more sexually aggressive (not to the point of wanting to rough fuck everything, but more willing to try make a move etc), something of which I don’t normally have the confidence to do. Test/dbol just makes me very calm

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@zeek1414 @Singhbuilder @blshaw

How do you guys manage cardio on cycle? I typically run 5k eod to maintain cardiovascular endurance. On 250mg test 100mg mast and a smidge of dbol (I use for like 5 days on 10-14 days off etc) I’m finding I’m getting exerted slightly more easy, however that’s not the problem. The issue is the fact that all my muscles cramp up. My hips, lower back, calves and shins are getting very pumped very easily, now running a mere 1 mile is proving very difficult as everything pumps/cramps up, after a while it physically hurts too much to keep going!

I can’t not do cardio, the benefits cardio has in relation to cardiovascular function are imperative if I’m going to run higher dosages

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Try spinning. I almost never cramp up while on the bike vs running.

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I’m allergic to cardio every time I do it I break out in sweat.

But honestly I don’t do any actual cardio at the gym. I have sex daily for about 30-45 mins and get some really decent cardio in.

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