2014 NFL Thread III

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Beans, i just want to voice that I’ve been on your side in the debate. [/quote]

Lol, thanks man.

I feel like I’m being an asshole because this is the brink. I’m tried of the bullshit. If it comes out the Pats did what Rodgers does, millions of people need to eat some shit, mostly media people.

But if it turns out they actually sat down and purposely altered the balls after the inspection…

I just don’t know if it is worth even caring. The circus has really left a sour taste in my mouth. And the NFL is getting too much like Hollywood to me.

Can’t we just have the days back were I argued with Steel Nation about Harrison’s teeth cracking hits and if they should be legal? lmao.

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Beans, i just want to voice that I’ve been on your side in the debate. Lots of people cheat in football it’s just the level of cheating and the associated punishment. Pats consistently get crosshairs on them just like Rex used to with the Jets, how the Redskins are in the paper constantly. It’s the teams that can draw media attention are the ones that get the focus.

My buddy who is a huge ravens fan and very anti-Pats tried to pull the integrity of the game comment on me as well and I rebuffed him with questions on Ngata for PEDs. Obviously the infraction is different but it’s still cheating. If Wilfork was popped this year I can guarantee you the issue would be substantially larger than Ngata’s but that’s just how the media culture is now. It’s lame and boring for those of us who just want to watch some smash mouth football on Sundays and forget about most of it during the rest of the week.[/quote]

I find it funny that yes now the pats are getting put through the ringer. They also get their cocked sucked all the time from the media for their success. Now we are making it seems it’s the woe is me pats when they get their just due for their successes.

Let me get this straight . Because I am on the opposite side of the coin with regards to this issue, make mistake I wish it never happened and just want to watch smash mouth football as well. Even though that’s a thing of the past as well

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Beans, i just want to voice that I’ve been on your side in the debate. Lots of people cheat in football it’s just the level of cheating and the associated punishment. Pats consistently get crosshairs on them just like Rex used to with the Jets, how the Redskins are in the paper constantly. It’s the teams that can draw media attention are the ones that get the focus.

My buddy who is a huge ravens fan and very anti-Pats tried to pull the integrity of the game comment on me as well and I rebuffed him with questions on Ngata for PEDs. Obviously the infraction is different but it’s still cheating. If Wilfork was popped this year I can guarantee you the issue would be substantially larger than Ngata’s but that’s just how the media culture is now. It’s lame and boring for those of us who just want to watch some smash mouth football on Sundays and forget about most of it during the rest of the week.[/quote]

Baltimore is a small market compared to New England, which is why you never hear the announcers, analyst, broadcaster, etc… talk about Baltimore. Even after the SuperBowl win you’d hardly hear anything about them. New England, Green Bay, Dallas, etc… are talked about constantly because they’re have the most fans nationwide.

Also, like I told Beans, people here were fucking pissed at Ngata and he was suspended for 4 games. He was punished for cheating*.

*He has a prescription and has been cleared to us it in the future. The dumb ass didn’t get it cleared by the league.

[quote]Aggv wrote:
"On that Tuesday, Manziel stood in front of about 20 media members and outlined his plan to become the Browns’ answer at quarterback. He wanted to be “the guy” for Cleveland, he said, and would do so by taking his job more seriously. He was more animated than he’d been all year, eager to declare his intentions.

Four days later, stories in the Browns’ facility began to circulate. Manziel was not present the morning before the season finale. Team security drove to Manziel’s downtown home to check on him. The Browns were packing up for the season finale at Baltimore on Dec. 28.

Two team sources said security found a player who they felt clearly had partied hard the night before. One source used the words “drunk off his a–.” "

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Cleveland has a lot of really good pieces if they weren’t such clusterfucks at QB. Cut Manziel and Hoyer, draft a good pocket passing QB (Sean Mannion is a QB you can get way late and groom I think) or two and let them compete with Connor Shaw. Just go from there because right now you have nothing worth a dime at QB.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

If it comes out the Pats did what Rodgers does, millions of people need to eat some shit, mostly media people.

But if it turns out they actually sat down and purposely altered the balls after the inspection… [/quote]
The NFL announced earlie today that the referees checked the games balls like they were supposed to.

No because defenders aren’t allowed to hit offensive players anymore. I’m like you, I’m less and less interested in football as time goes on. It is not the same game as it use to be.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

*He has a prescription and has been cleared to us it in the future. The dumb ass didn’t get it cleared by the league. [/quote]

Whoa… That isn’t cheating lol. (Not starting any shit promise.) That is plain stupidity/honest/dipshit fuckup.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

*He has a prescription and has been cleared to us it in the future. The dumb ass didn’t get it cleared by the league. [/quote]

Whoa… That isn’t cheating lol. (Not starting any shit promise.) That is plain stupidity/honest/dipshit fuckup. [/quote]

Ya, he’s a fucking idiot. Chris Davis of the Baltimore Orioles was suspend a couple of months before Ngata as well for the same exact thing. Makes Ngata’s stupidity even worse!

[quote]ddot76 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
This makes me chuckle when Ryan’s jets got their ass handed to them by Marrones bills this year. Ryan is what he is a DC with an HC title.

Certainly don’t understand why the Bowles hiring gets a C and Ryan gets a B. If anything Bowles is a true TBD
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As a Pats fan, the Ryan hiring wasn’t ideal. If I was a Bills fan, and I know a few given they’re the closest team to me, I’d feel pretty good about the hiring.

Their D-Line is top notch. You need only look at the fact that 3 of them were selected to the Pro Bowl. They get Kiki Alonso back, who IMO is just under the calibre of player a Luke Kuechly is. They had an OK secondary. Rex can do some damage with that, maybe pick up something for the secondary (although drafting DB’s has never been his strong point).

As Beans alluded to, if they can find a way to avg 20pt/g, they’re in the playoffs. Look at Arizona (19.4) and Detroit (20.1) this year. Both relied heavily on D and a positive give/take number with below average offenses.

Bowles for sure is a TBD. Solid DL to work with. He doesn’t have the secondary in NY that he had in AZ though and we’ll see what he and Chan Gailey can do on Offense.

Ultimately success for both comes down to how their QB, whomever it ends up being, performs. [/quote]

Depending on the stat system you wanna use, Buffalo’s D was as good / better than Arizona / Detroit this year. That’s how bad the offence was.

Defense #2:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

Offense #26
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

This is why I feel at best this is a lateral move (until he proves me wrong, and I hope he does). The whole thing is the upgrade from Pettine to Schwartz turned out to be huge. Didn’t give up an 80 yard touch down pass every fucking game, didn’t spend all game worrying about the D blowing it because Pettine is too busy jerking off with his blitz boner to look after the basics. Shit was night and day. In 2013 it was all blitz all the time. 2014 it was a hand ful a game, and STILL led the league in sacks. As a Bills fan I have concerns about a return to Ryan’s system, because I’ve seen one of his disciples already run it with this team, with the same players just 1 year ago.

Alonso will be back, and he’s real good, but he’s also kind of small to be a middle line backer, and unfortunatly from what I’ve seen he hasn’t been able to juice himself big while he’s been off with the ACL. Bradham and Brown aren’t on his level, but they’re also too good to ride the bench, and none is really a 3-4 OLB, so I don’t know what they’re gonna do there.

In the secondary Gilmore and McKelvin are both former 1st round draft picks and while they might not be Revis they’re still above average. Safety is the weak point, but the downgrade from losing Byrd to the Saints (or when he was hurt here) isn’t even that noticable, so I’d say those guys (Aaron Willions, and Searcy) aren’t too bad either (although they did run a lot of Nickle this year, with Corey Graham in, and Brandon Spikes on the bench on every passing down).

Now I did read an interview with Doug Whaley (Bills GM) today where someone asked him what kind of players Rex asked him for, and he basically told him just to draft the best available guys and he’ll put them where they need to be to be successful, rather than try to draft guys that fit a certain system, so that gives me hope, and if that turns out to be the case and not just bull shit, than right off the bat he’s better than Marrone was. It was also nice that those 2 guys share the same ideas in that department.
So long as they keep Ryan around for more than a year or 2 I’ll be happy. Too much coaching turn over on this team turns it into a constant rebuild.

For the Jets, Chan Gaily running an offense with Percy Harvin is gonna be hazardous. And if they pick up Spiller in free agency that offense will be flat out terrifying even with Geno under center.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

*He has a prescription and has been cleared to us it in the future. The dumb ass didn’t get it cleared by the league. [/quote]

Whoa… That isn’t cheating lol. (Not starting any shit promise.) That is plain stupidity/honest/dipshit fuckup. [/quote]

4 suspension for paperwork is the fucked up part. If he had the script, it should have been a fine, and done with.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
"On that Tuesday, Manziel stood in front of about 20 media members and outlined his plan to become the Browns’ answer at quarterback. He wanted to be “the guy” for Cleveland, he said, and would do so by taking his job more seriously. He was more animated than he’d been all year, eager to declare his intentions.

Four days later, stories in the Browns’ facility began to circulate. Manziel was not present the morning before the season finale. Team security drove to Manziel’s downtown home to check on him. The Browns were packing up for the season finale at Baltimore on Dec. 28.

Two team sources said security found a player who they felt clearly had partied hard the night before. One source used the words “drunk off his a–.” "

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Cleveland has a lot of really good pieces if they weren’t such clusterfucks at QB. Cut Manziel and Hoyer, draft a good pocket passing QB (Sean Mannion is a QB you can get way late and groom I think) or two and let them compete with Connor Shaw. Just go from there because right now you have nothing worth a dime at QB.
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Ya, they need to be ready to write Manziel off asap. The man is not a pro. Too good a team everywhere else to keep hanging in the basement.

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
"On that Tuesday, Manziel stood in front of about 20 media members and outlined his plan to become the Browns’ answer at quarterback. He wanted to be “the guy” for Cleveland, he said, and would do so by taking his job more seriously. He was more animated than he’d been all year, eager to declare his intentions.

Four days later, stories in the Browns’ facility began to circulate. Manziel was not present the morning before the season finale. Team security drove to Manziel’s downtown home to check on him. The Browns were packing up for the season finale at Baltimore on Dec. 28.

Two team sources said security found a player who they felt clearly had partied hard the night before. One source used the words “drunk off his a–.” "

[/quote]

Cleveland has a lot of really good pieces if they weren’t such clusterfucks at QB. Cut Manziel and Hoyer, draft a good pocket passing QB (Sean Mannion is a QB you can get way late and groom I think) or two and let them compete with Connor Shaw. Just go from there because right now you have nothing worth a dime at QB.
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Ya, they need to be ready to write Manziel off asap. The man is not a pro. Too good a team everywhere else to keep hanging in the basement.
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I dont think connor shaw is the answer, but he atleast looked a QB vs manziel who looked as if it was a the first time playing the game.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
"On that Tuesday, Manziel stood in front of about 20 media members and outlined his plan to become the Browns’ answer at quarterback. He wanted to be “the guy” for Cleveland, he said, and would do so by taking his job more seriously. He was more animated than he’d been all year, eager to declare his intentions.

Four days later, stories in the Browns’ facility began to circulate. Manziel was not present the morning before the season finale. Team security drove to Manziel’s downtown home to check on him. The Browns were packing up for the season finale at Baltimore on Dec. 28.

Two team sources said security found a player who they felt clearly had partied hard the night before. One source used the words “drunk off his a–.” "

[/quote]

Cleveland has a lot of really good pieces if they weren’t such clusterfucks at QB. Cut Manziel and Hoyer, draft a good pocket passing QB (Sean Mannion is a QB you can get way late and groom I think) or two and let them compete with Connor Shaw. Just go from there because right now you have nothing worth a dime at QB.
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That would be hilarious if the Browns cut Manziel.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

FUCK JOHN FOOTBALL

GET THE FUCK OUT OF CLEVELAND YOU SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT. [/quote]
lol shocking.
Sorry man, I really do feel for you. This could have been my Boys dealing with this little twat. [/quote]

That’s the future MVP you’re talking about, lol…[/quote]
That kid is not even smart enough to go into announcing when he busts.

He is destined for a trailer park with a local bar slut raising white trash kids. [/quote]

HaHa. He won and brought the Heisman to A&M. He has multiple 6 figure job opportunities right now.

Let’s say TMZ gets photos of Manziel doing blow off of a hookers ass while jerking off onto a picture of Roger Goodell. Some booster from A&M will buy Manziel a chain of trailer parks that would earn him 6 figures a year.

Quick comment about the coaching changes: 49ers are an F, and that’s being generous because that implies like a 50% or something. It’s closer to 0. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but they went from Harbaugh to Tomsula(did you see or read the statements from his press conference? Holy fuck, what a disaster), and then rehired coaches from their dreadful stretch prior to Harbaugh. I’m expecting an absolute disaster, which is sad, because the 9ers were always my ‘second team’(I mean, the hometown Browns will always be my team, but as a youngster I found a rooting interest in the playoffs we weren’t in, and while we had no team, and for whatever reason it was the 9ers).

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

FUCK JOHN FOOTBALL

GET THE FUCK OUT OF CLEVELAND YOU SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT. [/quote]
lol shocking.
Sorry man, I really do feel for you. This could have been my Boys dealing with this little twat. [/quote]

That’s the future MVP you’re talking about, lol…[/quote]
That kid is not even smart enough to go into announcing when he busts.

He is destined for a trailer park with a local bar slut raising white trash kids. [/quote]

HaHa. He won and brought the Heisman to A&M. He has multiple 6 figure job opportunities right now.

Let’s say TMZ gets photos of Manziel doing blow off of a hookers ass while jerking off onto a picture of Roger Goodell. Some booster from A&M will buy Manziel a chain of trailer parks that would earn him 6 figures a year.

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He will find a way. The hooker will be a dude. You watch.

[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

FUCK JOHN FOOTBALL

GET THE FUCK OUT OF CLEVELAND YOU SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT. [/quote]
lol shocking.
Sorry man, I really do feel for you. This could have been my Boys dealing with this little twat. [/quote]

That’s the future MVP you’re talking about, lol…[/quote]
That kid is not even smart enough to go into announcing when he busts.

He is destined for a trailer park with a local bar slut raising white trash kids. [/quote]

HaHa. He won and brought the Heisman to A&M. He has multiple 6 figure job opportunities right now.

Let’s say TMZ gets photos of Manziel doing blow off of a hookers ass while jerking off onto a picture of Roger Goodell. Some booster from A&M will buy Manziel a chain of trailer parks that would earn him 6 figures a year.

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He will find a way. The hooker will be a dude. You watch.[/quote]

haha. Maybe if the hooker was dead? Maybe.

I heard that it’s been known to happen where a team will fill the balls in a sauna so that when initially tested they are within the legal PSI range but by game time will lose pressure…and that technically wouldn’t be against the rules as they can kind of do whatever the want to break the balls in.

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

FUCK JOHN FOOTBALL

GET THE FUCK OUT OF CLEVELAND YOU SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT. [/quote]
lol shocking.
Sorry man, I really do feel for you. This could have been my Boys dealing with this little twat. [/quote]

That’s the future MVP you’re talking about, lol…[/quote]
That kid is not even smart enough to go into announcing when he busts.

He is destined for a trailer park with a local bar slut raising white trash kids. [/quote]

HaHa. He won and brought the Heisman to A&M. He has multiple 6 figure job opportunities right now.

Let’s say TMZ gets photos of Manziel doing blow off of a hookers ass while jerking off onto a picture of Roger Goodell. Some booster from A&M will buy Manziel a chain of trailer parks that would earn him 6 figures a year.

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I think you forget the attention span of the public.

Where is Tebow? Favre?

They don’t do has been so, unless the E wants to a thing about him fucking Honey BoBo’s mom.

The only place manziel will be welcome and not reminded of what i giant douche he is, is college station.

I’d be happy if the Browns got a 5th or 6th for him. It’s not worth the headache unless he grows 5", gains 50lbs, and takes a serious whooping from someone.

He’s a narcissistic drunk version of Colt McCoy. Undersized, noodle arm, and a career nfl back up at best.

I’ll give him credit for being a skilled con-artist and catfishing people into thinking he’s legit.