2014 NFL Thread II

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Tony romo is a little fucking bitch who doesn’t deserve to win.

I can’t wait for his wittle toes to fucking freeze and fall off at lambeau field.

And Jason Garrett is a child molestor.

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Wow that was random and interesting spin on things.

Detroit fan?
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Nope. Tony romo just strikes me as a pretty boy with the body of a stay at home dad with no in home gym. I’ve seen him fall over and get sacked after a fingernail grazes his hip.

What are some of romos accomplishments? Why has he been the starting qb year after year? What accolades does he have that would warrant keeping the starting position for so many years?

I’m not a football expert (fuck I don’t even get ESPN!), or any type of expert really. It’s just what I have noticed over the years through casually glancing at the tv every Sunday during the winter.[/quote]
Well you are always going to have guys who argue Rings vs Stats.

Montana vs Marino is the basic premise.

Statistically Dan Marino crushed it has multiple records but never won a Super Bowl.
Montana has 4 rings but does not even get close to matching guys in the stats.

Romo has the stats in his career but no ring, he has shown in the past not to be able to win in the playoffs. Putting fan thoughts aside, Romo has done a lot on the field, but you cant trust to win the game when it matters.

Also he ran around a lot in his early career, he is only now taking sacks where before he showed he was athletic. Also he was not drafted, did not go to a known big school college, so honestly he had to earn even to make it on the team.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.[/quote]

Ya I completely agree with that. I hate these ticky-tac calls. It’s out of hand.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.[/quote]

Detroit was well on it’s way to losing that game. They started out hot and Dallas looked absolutely inept in the beginning. That pickup may have pushed the game more in Dallas’s direction but Detroit looked like it was doing it’s best to give away the game towards the end. Both teams had their share of bad flags and both teams had some mental errors for sure but I think Dallas did what they haven’t done in years and that’s FINISH.

I was saying when Dallas was down on the goal line towards the end of the game that it’s the kind of play calling right now that dooms them. If they put the ball in Romo’s hands he could score but he could also just as easily throw a pick as we’ve seen so so many times and no one would be surprised. Instead they did the right thing and put the ball in Murray’s hand. That shows the team dynamic has changed. Notice how in the start of the game passing was heavily favored over the run. It’s like they reverted to old Dallas and I thought Detriot was going to stomp the yard with them. But they made the adjustments, settled in, and got back to their game plan and relied on the run to establish the pass rather than getting away from the run completely.

It’s very difficult for me to say all those things. I am programmed to hate Dallas but I find myself semi-rooting for them solely b/c they are finally putting their ego to the side and actually making intelligent football decisions.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.[/quote]

Detroit was well on it’s way to losing that game. They started out hot and Dallas looked absolutely inept in the beginning. That pickup may have pushed the game more in Dallas’s direction but Detroit looked like it was doing it’s best to give away the game towards the end. Both teams had their share of bad flags and both teams had some mental errors for sure but I think Dallas did what they haven’t done in years and that’s FINISH.

I was saying when Dallas was down on the goal line towards the end of the game that it’s the kind of play calling right now that dooms them. If they put the ball in Romo’s hands he could score but he could also just as easily throw a pick as we’ve seen so so many times and no one would be surprised. Instead they did the right thing and put the ball in Murray’s hand. That shows the team dynamic has changed. Notice how in the start of the game passing was heavily favored over the run. It’s like they reverted to old Dallas and I thought Detriot was going to stomp the yard with them. But they made the adjustments, settled in, and got back to their game plan and relied on the run to establish the pass rather than getting away from the run completely.

It’s very difficult for me to say all those things. I am programmed to hate Dallas but I find myself semi-rooting for them solely b/c they are finally putting their ego to the side and actually making intelligent football decisions.[/quote]
That has to be hard to admit Cool :slight_smile:

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Having said that, I’m really looking forward to this weekend’s slate of games. I think all the matchups are pretty spectacular and could go either way but I’m going to go:

Pats over Bal- Bal is on their like 50th CB- don’t think they can hang with Brady but they have proven otherwise before!

Den over Ind- I actually think something is wrong with Manning as he just isn’t the same lately. I think we see a heavy dose of CJ Anderson and Ronnie Hillman. It’s going to be up to Luck to beat Denver as there is barely a run game to be had and I think the Denver dline will be shutting it down more and pressuring Luck. I simply see the skill positions in Denver beating the skill positions in Indy and the Denver D is better. Having said that, I don’t think Denver beats Pats the following week.

Sea over Car- I like the idea that a team with a bad record made it in and played upset (sort of- Ari was a sinking ship) but I don’t think they can take it to Seattle. This is the only easy call. Lynch and Wilson combine for at least 150yds and 2TDs on the ground alone.

Dal over GB- ugh. Hardest call for me of the divisional round. How’s Rodgers doing? If he’s even the least bit off, this is Dallas game. If he’s on I’m still not sure. This used to just be a shootout but I think with Murray Dallas can control the clock more and he can put way more of a hurt on GB than Lacy can do to Dallas. I think Dallas works on controlling the clock and keeping the ball out of Rodgers hands and they can pull out a win. If they get pass happy they will get roasted though.

Conference Champ:
Pats over Den- Manning is hurting so Brady and Gronk take it to Denver
Dal over Sea- Fuuuuck. I just don’t know. Both have RBs that can carry the load. I think Dallas has the better WR/TE to make big plays but Wilson can improve his guys just by being on the move and opening them up. Seattle defense and home field ARE HUGE to this game but Dallas has found a way to be better on the road. Another hard call. Could go either way.

SB:
Dal over Pats. Even more bleh. I can’t even fuckign believe I’m typing all of this. I think Dallas has the tools to outplay Brady and I think if they stick to their game plan they can win. Even if it’s Seattle over Dallas I think NFC side takes the SB.

I hate myself right now. I need a shower.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.[/quote]

Absolutely agree with too many flags being thrown. Refs need to go back to erring on the side of let them play, instead of just handing offenses 15 yard chunks,and first downs on every little thing. Grappling and big hits are part of the game. Some of these pass interference, unnecessary roughness, etc… calls are a bit over the top.

I don’t think that call changed the result of that game so much as the dynamic. Detroit gets another 10-15 yards up field and boots a field goal, and the Cowboys are still going to score a touchdown to win that one.

Looking forward to some great football this weekend. Pats / Ravens, Cowboys / Packers, Colts / Broncos, even Panthers / Seahawks should all be real good games. Couldn’t ask for much better than that.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]

True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it. [/quote]
I agree really I am only sitting here talking about this because I was on the good end. And I am not going to try to rationalize or defend what they did. But I also think and hate all the fucking flags they call in the secondary now anyway. They are fucking up the game.[/quote]

Detroit was well on it’s way to losing that game. They started out hot and Dallas looked absolutely inept in the beginning. That pickup may have pushed the game more in Dallas’s direction but Detroit looked like it was doing it’s best to give away the game towards the end. Both teams had their share of bad flags and both teams had some mental errors for sure but I think Dallas did what they haven’t done in years and that’s FINISH.

I was saying when Dallas was down on the goal line towards the end of the game that it’s the kind of play calling right now that dooms them. If they put the ball in Romo’s hands he could score but he could also just as easily throw a pick as we’ve seen so so many times and no one would be surprised. Instead they did the right thing and put the ball in Murray’s hand. That shows the team dynamic has changed. Notice how in the start of the game passing was heavily favored over the run. It’s like they reverted to old Dallas and I thought Detriot was going to stomp the yard with them. But they made the adjustments, settled in, and got back to their game plan and relied on the run to establish the pass rather than getting away from the run completely.

It’s very difficult for me to say all those things. I am programmed to hate Dallas but I find myself semi-rooting for them solely b/c they are finally putting their ego to the side and actually making intelligent football decisions.[/quote]

Yeah, Herm Edwards put it best when he said, “The Bears will be better off when they realize what Dallas realized this year, that they don’t have a volume passer. If you let them throw it to many times they are going to screw it up more than they don’t” I paraphrased that but you get the jest.

And Derek, I don’t think that call cost the Lions the game as in it isn’t ultimately the reason they lost, however, I think had the PI been called I think Detroit probably wins that game if that makes sense.

And I agree with you on not liking the ticky tack calls. I do have a problem with picking up a flag after you have already made a call when its not one of those cut and dry type of calls. I would have been fine with a no call, but not reversing a call after it was made, which is essentially what they did.

I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Sea over Car- I like the idea that a team with a bad record made it in and played upset (sort of- Ari was a sinking ship) but I don’t think they can take it to Seattle. This is the only easy call. Lynch and Wilson combine for at least 150yds and 2TDs on the ground alone.
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Man, even that one isn’t a sure thing. I wouldn’t put anything past Carolina. Obviously the smart money is on Seattle, but I think those 2 teams are more similar than any Seahawk fan will ever want to admit. Defense vs defense, Newton vs. Wilson. IMO this game could be one kick return touchdown away from a huge upset. That 13-9 game was not a fluke.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it.

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[quote]Broncoandy wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Sea over Car- I like the idea that a team with a bad record made it in and played upset (sort of- Ari was a sinking ship) but I don’t think they can take it to Seattle. This is the only easy call. Lynch and Wilson combine for at least 150yds and 2TDs on the ground alone.
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Man, even that one isn’t a sure thing. I wouldn’t put anything past Carolina. Obviously the smart money is on Seattle, but I think those 2 teams are more similar than any Seahawk fan will ever want to admit. Defense vs defense, Newton vs. Wilson. IMO this game could be one kick return touchdown away from a huge upset. That 13-9 game was not a fluke.[/quote]

That was back in October when SEA wasn’t full strength. Cam doesn’t look good and I don’t see JStewart doing anything crazy against Seattle. ARI run D had been pretty bad the last few weeks and it made Carolina look better than they are currently. SEA D >> CAR D. I’m confident in this call.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.[/quote]

As Matt Ryan pointed out on Count Down, only the coach and qb have a win loss record. So it’s fair to say that about Stafford; although, I whole hardheartedly agree with you in spirit.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.[/quote]

Absolutely true, and the informed fan should understand that.

That said, we(general) put a lot of emphasis on QBs in this league, especially in the W/L columns, so that stat is still not a great one to have follow you around. He played on some shit teams starting in Detroit when he did(2009), and those 3 wins have all come relatively recently(showing improvement of the team). But even with that improvement, and a good defense, and a crew of offensive weapons, he was something like 1-5 this season against winning teams.

I think that’s one of the reasons people weren’t trumpeting that stat until now, it was understandable that his record would be bad since he was(past tense) on bad teams. Now though? It’s going to be on him, like it would be any other QB on a team with the tools to win the games.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
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Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.[/quote]

As Matt Ryan pointed out on Count Down, only the coach and qb have a win loss record. So it’s fair to say that about Stafford; although, I whole hardheartedly agree with you in spirit. [/quote]
It is the game today I know. But Detroit has a good QB the kid can play. I get frustrated with fans who think the next Brady is in the next draft all we have to do is draft him

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
[/quote]

Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.[/quote]

Absolutely true, and the informed fan should understand that.

That said, we(general) put a lot of emphasis on QBs in this league, especially in the W/L columns, so that stat is still not a great one to have follow you around. He played on some shit teams starting in Detroit when he did(2009), and those 3 wins have all come relatively recently(showing improvement of the team). But even with that improvement, and a good defense, and a crew of offensive weapons, he was something like 1-5 this season against winning teams.

I think that’s one of the reasons people weren’t trumpeting that stat until now, it was understandable that his record would be bad since he was(past tense) on bad teams. Now though? It’s going to be on him, like it would be any other QB on a team with the tools to win the games.[/quote]
Good point.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I guess Romo getting his first playoff win against a team that as a franchise is as inept at winning big games as he is and has been for longer than he has been alive is probably fitting.
[/quote]

Ya, I think Stafford is 0-22 against winning teams or something crazy like that. They showed the stat during the game and I couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

0-18 on the road, something absolutely insane like 3-32 overall.[/quote]

That’s craziness. [/quote]
I dont think its fair to put it all on Stafford, his team also lost those games.[/quote]

As Matt Ryan pointed out on Count Down, only the coach and qb have a win loss record. So it’s fair to say that about Stafford; although, I whole hardheartedly agree with you in spirit. [/quote]
It is the game today I know. But Detroit has a good QB the kid can play. I get frustrated with fans who think the next Brady is in the next draft all we have to do is draft him [/quote]

Stafford is definitely a good qb.