[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Was the flag getting picked up a huge mistake by the refs? Yes, because PI is a judgement call, they had already made the call and decided to change it inexplicably. If they hadn’t called PI it would have been a very easy to understand no call although by the letter of the law it was PI and there was also illegal contact constituting a hold earlier in the route, both minimal. Flag thrown or not thrown, it was an ok call either way. They literally found a way to make it a bad call and show (perceived or real) bias in favor of the 'Boys. It was one of the single strangest things I have ever seen a officiating crew do and all of their ability to officiate games in the future should be called into question.
Did it cost Detroit the win? Who knows, possibly, probably, no way to know for sure.
Was it the overall reason that Detroit lost? No
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I just hope this “bias” gets us our 6th Lombardy trophy
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Was the flag getting picked up a huge mistake by the refs? Yes, because PI is a judgement call, they had already made the call and decided to change it inexplicably. If they hadn’t called PI it would have been a very easy to understand no call although by the letter of the law it was PI and there was also illegal contact constituting a hold earlier in the route, both minimal. Flag thrown or not thrown, it was an ok call either way. They literally found a way to make it a bad call and show (perceived or real) bias in favor of the 'Boys. It was one of the single strangest things I have ever seen a officiating crew do and all of their ability to officiate games in the future should be called into question.
Did it cost Detroit the win? Who knows, possibly, probably, no way to know for sure.
Was it the overall reason that Detroit lost? No
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Yea pretty much my exact thoughts.
If I’m a Detroit fan I am at least as angry, if not more angry, that Caldwell didn’t go for the 4th and 1 at the ~45(forget exactly where it was, definitely Dallas’ side of midfield). I didn’t even wait for the god awful tragedy of a punt that ensued to question this decision, I was full on laughing at it when I saw them try to draw the offsides and take the delay of game, in giddy anticipation of Bill Simmons column this week having even more fuel with which to roast Caldwell(it’s a sort of tradition of his).
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
picked up the flag wtf[/quote]
who gives a shit, pedigrew had hands to the face/facemask good call[/quote]
here’s the thing, lets say they call the Pettigrew penalty too. That would mean offsetting penalties, and would result in a 3rd and 1 instead of 4th and 1, which is a huge difference.
I’m a diehard steelers fan and was so dissapointed in their performance. But if the Ravens continue to play as they played vs Steelers I think they are going to win the Super Bowl.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Was the flag getting picked up a huge mistake by the refs? Yes, because PI is a judgement call, they had already made the call and decided to change it inexplicably. If they hadn’t called PI it would have been a very easy to understand no call although by the letter of the law it was PI and there was also illegal contact constituting a hold earlier in the route, both minimal. Flag thrown or not thrown, it was an ok call either way. They literally found a way to make it a bad call and show (perceived or real) bias in favor of the 'Boys. It was one of the single strangest things I have ever seen a officiating crew do and all of their ability to officiate games in the future should be called into question.
Did it cost Detroit the win? Who knows, possibly, probably, no way to know for sure.
Was it the overall reason that Detroit lost? No
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Yea pretty much my exact thoughts.
If I’m a Detroit fan I am at least as angry, if not more angry, that Caldwell didn’t go for the 4th and 1 at the ~45(forget exactly where it was, definitely Dallas’ side of midfield). I didn’t even wait for the god awful tragedy of a punt that ensued to question this decision, I was full on laughing at it when I saw them try to draw the offsides and take the delay of game, in giddy anticipation of Bill Simmons column this week having even more fuel with which to roast Caldwell(it’s a sort of tradition of his).[/quote]
When Caldwell punted it instead of going for it on the 4th and 1 I just knew they were going to lose at that point. You need to have some balls in games like that and with the way the game was going at that point, they needed to keep pushing downfield. Caldwell just being predictable and conservative to a fault.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Was the flag getting picked up a huge mistake by the refs? Yes, because PI is a judgement call, they had already made the call and decided to change it inexplicably. If they hadn’t called PI it would have been a very easy to understand no call although by the letter of the law it was PI and there was also illegal contact constituting a hold earlier in the route, both minimal. Flag thrown or not thrown, it was an ok call either way. They literally found a way to make it a bad call and show (perceived or real) bias in favor of the 'Boys. It was one of the single strangest things I have ever seen a officiating crew do and all of their ability to officiate games in the future should be called into question.
Did it cost Detroit the win? Who knows, possibly, probably, no way to know for sure.
Was it the overall reason that Detroit lost? No
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Yea pretty much my exact thoughts.
If I’m a Detroit fan I am at least as angry, if not more angry, that Caldwell didn’t go for the 4th and 1 at the ~45(forget exactly where it was, definitely Dallas’ side of midfield). I didn’t even wait for the god awful tragedy of a punt that ensued to question this decision, I was full on laughing at it when I saw them try to draw the offsides and take the delay of game, in giddy anticipation of Bill Simmons column this week having even more fuel with which to roast Caldwell(it’s a sort of tradition of his).[/quote]
When Caldwell punted it instead of going for it on the 4th and 1 I just knew they were going to lose at that point. You need to have some balls in games like that and with the way the game was going at that point, they needed to keep pushing downfield. Caldwell just being predictable and conservative to a fault.[/quote]
With that said, if you are coaching Detroit, wouldn’t you trust your defense (one of the best in the league) to take care of business and bring that game home on a 80-90 yd field (which you would assume would be the result of that punt because you don’t assume a shanked punt). I would. I would have liked to see him go for it but I can completely understand the logic of punting it and playing D in that situation.
Lived in Detroit for 15 + years and the lions made it difficult to be a fan. But…we stuck with them.
Moved to Pittsburgh…stuck with the Lions…reluctantly. But Stafford, Calvin Suh… why not. Blah blah blah. After that thrashing the Lions took in Green Bay, I finally made the switch…to the Steelers.
I am bad apparently. Looking at moving to a city with no NFL teams.
Sticking to NHL and MMA
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
picked up the flag wtf[/quote]
who gives a shit, pedigrew had hands to the face/facemask good call[/quote]
here’s the thing, lets say they call the Pettigrew penalty too. That would mean offsetting penalties, and would result in a 3rd and 1 instead of 4th and 1, which is a huge difference.[/quote]
What I will say is the refs should have explained the reason why they picked it up. If it was the other way around I would be pissed about that most of all. Dallas had a great comeback victory and that play had zero impact on my feelings on the game.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
You can never point to a single event, however i think that call killed any chance they had. [/quote]
I know its being talked about all over the air waves, and football is an emotional game not only for the players but the fans.
I think it was significant dont get me wrong and being on the good end of it I acknowledge the fact it helped us. BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
If it was the other way around I would be pissed about that most of all… that play had zero impact on my feelings on the game.
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
So question. Taking off any rose colored glasses, speaking totally objectively.
Does a call like this with the Detroit/Dallas game make people think the game balanced off this one call?
Meaning that if they would have not picked up the flag that Detroit would have won the game.[/quote]
I don’t think there is some conspiracy to let the Cowboys win. I think it happened and they won. If it didn’t happen we would have gotten a turnover or stop and still won. Dallas was going to win that game regardless of that penalty or not.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Tony romo is a little fucking bitch who doesn’t deserve to win.
I can’t wait for his wittle toes to fucking freeze and fall off at lambeau field.
And Jason Garrett is a child molestor.
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Wow that was random and interesting spin on things.
Detroit fan?
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Nope. Tony romo just strikes me as a pretty boy with the body of a stay at home dad with no in home gym. I’ve seen him fall over and get sacked after a fingernail grazes his hip.
What are some of romos accomplishments? Why has he been the starting qb year after year? What accolades does he have that would warrant keeping the starting position for so many years?
I’m not a football expert (fuck I don’t even get ESPN!), or any type of expert really. It’s just what I have noticed over the years through casually glancing at the tv every Sunday during the winter.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Why has he been the starting qb year after year? What accolades does he have that would warrant keeping the starting position for so many years? [/quote]
You’re not going to play brandon weeden, and while romo is not an “elite” qb, who else are they going to get?
(please trade john football to the cowboys for their cheerleaders B team)
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
BUT I still always believe that teams have bad calls for both sides the whole game. There were calls against Dallas, hell they were penalized more. Detroit had the opportunity to come back at the end, they had opportunity to stop Dallas from scoring the winning TD. [/quote]
True; however, some bad calls carry a lot more weight imo. It depends on a lot of factors. Had this happened in the 1st quarter no one would be talking about it.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Why has he been the starting qb year after year? What accolades does he have that would warrant keeping the starting position for so many years? [/quote]
You’re not going to play brandon weeden, and while romo is not an “elite” qb, who else are they going to get?
(please trade john football to the cowboys for their cheerleaders B team) [/quote]
Didn’t he play with fractured ribs and some back issues for a while last year?