Oh and I get it, it’s hard to be analytical when it comes to OB ranking because so much of their performance relies on the performance of the team around them. My ranking is also subjective for the most part.
Ya, he’s had some bad years for sure. But that drive has to be one of the greatest in Superbowl history over one of the best teams all time - goodbye perfect season hello 17-1. Both of Eli’s rings come from last minute wins over one of the greatest dynasties in football history in the Belichick / Brady Pats. He’s never been as skilled as big brother, but imo he’s been way more entertaining, and should eventually be in the hall of fame right next to him.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Ya, he’s had some bad years for sure. But that drive has to be one of the greatest in Superbowl history over one of the best teams all time - goodbye perfect season hello 17-1. Both of Eli’s rings come from last minute wins over one of the greatest dynasties in football history in the Belichick / Brady Pats. He’s never been as skilled as big brother, but imo he’s been way more entertaining, and should eventually be in the hall of fame right next to him.[/quote]
True, but the famous 3rd down catch had almost nothing to do with Eli…
He got it where the receiver could catch it, with 5 defenders in the same area. Can’t ask for much more than that on what’s really a broken play in a do or die situation (though technically they did have one more down). I’m not saying it’s a perfect throw, (and it certainly is a great catch) but we do have to give him credit for not getting sacked on that play, and not being too busy shitting his pants while being tugged on by defenders on the biggest stage at the end of the game to make a throw. And than to finish that drive with a touch down (the 3rd and 5 obviously didn’t win them the game). And just for keeping things tight with Brady in general those 2 games.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
He got it where the receiver could catch it, with 5 defenders in the same area. Can’t ask for much more than that on what’s really a broken play in a do or die situation (though technically they did have one more down). I’m not saying it’s a perfect throw, (and it certainly is a great catch) but we do have to give him credit for not getting sacked on that play, and not being too busy shitting his pants while being tugged on by defenders on the biggest stage at the end of the game to make a throw. And than to finish that drive with a touch down (the 3rd and 5 obviously didn’t win them the game). And just for keeping things tight with Brady in general those 2 games.[/quote]
Yeah, I mean he slid up in the pocket to avoid Adailus Thomas, escaped Richard Seymour (who had a hand on him) and Jarvis Green, and made the throw with Vrabel bearing down. That’s not exactly taking it easy on the play.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Luck > Ryan, Brees, Rivers,Roethlesburger > Eli, Romo, Flaco > Stafford, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Alex Smith > everybody else is how I’d bracket them Elite>Great>Good>Decent.
That’s just my opinion though.[/quote]
You are close… If we are talking about how they are playing this season and who I would want on my team the most if I had to win a game next week (and I had a decent team),
1.Rodgers
2.Brady
3.Luck
4.Manning
5.Brees
6.Rivers (if he’s healthy)
7.Roethlisberger
8.Ryan
9.Stafford
10.Eli
Russell Wilson is close. Romo, Flacco, Alex Smith, possibly Andy Dalton, and even Jay Cutler are all basically the same QB, with Flacco being the best of that bunch. They are QB’s that are good enough to win, if they have a great running game and line and aren’t asked to do too much. But as soon as you ask them to shoulder the load they throw the game away (Romo and Cutler) or just cant get it done (Smith and Dalton).
I don’t know what to think about Cam Newton. And Kap is not even anywhere around this discussion.[/quote]
I am assuming this list is part of some conspiracy to get me pissed off about Romo not being in the top 5 on internet qb rating list.[/quote]
I can’t figure out the criteria. Stafford is 9, but his numbers are ,as far as I can remember, better than Rivers, Ryan, and Luck while none of them have won a super bowl. I’d put all of them in the same category (including Romo especially since all of them have lost playoff games or haven’t made it at all).
To me the categories should be:
Tier 1 - Elite: (Must have a Super Bowl win): Brady, Rodgers, Manning,P., Brees
Tier 2 - Great w/ a Super Bowl win: Flacco, Rothlisberger (possibly Elite), Manning, E.
Tier 3 - Great w/out a Super Bowl win: Ryan, Luck, Rivers, Romo
Tier 4 - Good w/ Super Bowl: Wilson
Tier 5 - Good w/out Super Bowl: Smith, Dalton, Palmer, Newton,
Tier 6 - Average: Kapernick, Bortles, Bradford, FitzPatrick, RGIII, Bortles,
Tier 7 - Bad: Sanchez, Manziel (at least for now), Hoyer, Smith, G.,
*I spelled half these names wrong I’m sure and missed a number of QBs. [/quote]
I guess I can get on board with this list.
I think Eli might be one of the most overrated players in history.
I would trade Rothlisburger and P. Manning.
Romo, Luck, Rogers, Brady, Rapeisburger. Are my top 5. Luck is an outstanding QB. He is the perfect QB specimen in every way. If he doesn’t have any major injuries I could easily see him in GOAT conversations when his career is over. I would take Luck over any player in football today. I hope we kick the living shit out of him on Sunday.
But, I am not complaining about the QB we have at all
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Luck > Ryan, Brees, Rivers,Roethlesburger > Eli, Romo, Flaco > Stafford, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Alex Smith > everybody else is how I’d bracket them Elite>Great>Good>Decent.
That’s just my opinion though.[/quote]
You are close… If we are talking about how they are playing this season and who I would want on my team the most if I had to win a game next week (and I had a decent team),
1.Rodgers
2.Brady
3.Luck
4.Manning
5.Brees
6.Rivers (if he’s healthy)
7.Roethlisberger
8.Ryan
9.Stafford
10.Eli
Russell Wilson is close. Romo, Flacco, Alex Smith, possibly Andy Dalton, and even Jay Cutler are all basically the same QB, with Flacco being the best of that bunch. They are QB’s that are good enough to win, if they have a great running game and line and aren’t asked to do too much. But as soon as you ask them to shoulder the load they throw the game away (Romo and Cutler) or just cant get it done (Smith and Dalton).
I don’t know what to think about Cam Newton. And Kap is not even anywhere around this discussion.[/quote]
I am assuming this list is part of some conspiracy to get me pissed off about Romo not being in the top 5 on internet qb rating list.[/quote]
I can’t figure out the criteria. Stafford is 9, but his numbers are ,as far as I can remember, better than Rivers, Ryan, and Luck while none of them have won a super bowl. I’d put all of them in the same category (including Romo especially since all of them have lost playoff games or haven’t made it at all).
To me the categories should be:
Tier 1 - Elite: (Must have a Super Bowl win): Brady, Rodgers, Manning,P., Brees
Tier 2 - Great w/ a Super Bowl win: Flacco, Rothlisberger (possibly Elite), Manning, E.
Tier 3 - Great w/out a Super Bowl win: Ryan, Luck, Rivers, Romo
Tier 4 - Good w/ Super Bowl: Wilson
Tier 5 - Good w/out Super Bowl: Smith, Dalton, Palmer, Newton,
Tier 6 - Average: Kapernick, Bortles, Bradford, FitzPatrick, RGIII, Bortles,
Tier 7 - Bad: Sanchez, Manziel (at least for now), Hoyer, Smith, G.,
*I spelled half these names wrong I’m sure and missed a number of QBs. [/quote]
I guess I can get on board with this list.
I think Eli might be one of the most overrated players in history.
I would trade Rothlisburger and P. Manning.
Romo, Luck, Rogers, Brady, Rapeisburger. Are my top 5. Luck is an outstanding QB. He is the perfect QB specimen in every way. If he doesn’t have any major injuries I could easily see him in GOAT conversations when his career is over. I would take Luck over any player in football today. I hope we kick the living shit out of him on Sunday.
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Why in God’s name is Romo in your top 5 and Rothleisberger better than Peyton Manning? What criteria could you possibly be using to justify those choices??
Hey Tony, you can win the game and eliminate the Giants from the playoffs… What are you gonna do?
Have a good Superbowl Eli, maybe you can let Tony hold a ring sometimes since he helped you get 2.
Romo’s a pretty good QB. Pretty good. I would take Wilson over both Romo and Rapistburger six days a week and twice on Sunday.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Luck > Ryan, Brees, Rivers,Roethlesburger > Eli, Romo, Flaco > Stafford, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Alex Smith > everybody else is how I’d bracket them Elite>Great>Good>Decent.
That’s just my opinion though.[/quote]
You are close… If we are talking about how they are playing this season and who I would want on my team the most if I had to win a game next week (and I had a decent team),
1.Rodgers
2.Brady
3.Luck
4.Manning
5.Brees
6.Rivers (if he’s healthy)
7.Roethlisberger
8.Ryan
9.Stafford
10.Eli
Russell Wilson is close. Romo, Flacco, Alex Smith, possibly Andy Dalton, and even Jay Cutler are all basically the same QB, with Flacco being the best of that bunch. They are QB’s that are good enough to win, if they have a great running game and line and aren’t asked to do too much. But as soon as you ask them to shoulder the load they throw the game away (Romo and Cutler) or just cant get it done (Smith and Dalton).
I don’t know what to think about Cam Newton. And Kap is not even anywhere around this discussion.[/quote]
I am assuming this list is part of some conspiracy to get me pissed off about Romo not being in the top 5 on internet qb rating list.[/quote]
I can’t figure out the criteria. Stafford is 9, but his numbers are ,as far as I can remember, better than Rivers, Ryan, and Luck while none of them have won a super bowl. I’d put all of them in the same category (including Romo especially since all of them have lost playoff games or haven’t made it at all).
To me the categories should be:
Tier 1 - Elite: (Must have a Super Bowl win): Brady, Rodgers, Manning,P., Brees
Tier 2 - Great w/ a Super Bowl win: Flacco, Rothlisberger (possibly Elite), Manning, E.
Tier 3 - Great w/out a Super Bowl win: Ryan, Luck, Rivers, Romo
Tier 4 - Good w/ Super Bowl: Wilson
Tier 5 - Good w/out Super Bowl: Smith, Dalton, Palmer, Newton,
Tier 6 - Average: Kapernick, Bortles, Bradford, FitzPatrick, RGIII, Bortles,
Tier 7 - Bad: Sanchez, Manziel (at least for now), Hoyer, Smith, G.,
*I spelled half these names wrong I’m sure and missed a number of QBs. [/quote]
I guess I can get on board with this list.
I think Eli might be one of the most overrated players in history.
I would trade Rothlisburger and P. Manning.
Romo, Luck, Rogers, Brady, Rapeisburger. Are my top 5. Luck is an outstanding QB. He is the perfect QB specimen in every way. If he doesn’t have any major injuries I could easily see him in GOAT conversations when his career is over. I would take Luck over any player in football today. I hope we kick the living shit out of him on Sunday.
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Why in God’s name is Romo in your top 5 and Rothleisberger better than Peyton Manning? What criteria could you possibly be using to justify those choices?? [/quote]
Dude, you have Eli as great!!! Just under ELITE! Eli Manning fucking sucks, all he has is NFL Qb size, the Manning last name, and he has gotten lucky. These are his stats Eli Manning Career Stats | NFL.com.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Romo’s a pretty good QB. Pretty good. I would take Wilson over both Romo and Rapistburger six days a week and twice on Sunday. [/quote]
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Luck > Ryan, Brees, Rivers,Roethlesburger > Eli, Romo, Flaco > Stafford, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Alex Smith > everybody else is how I’d bracket them Elite>Great>Good>Decent.
That’s just my opinion though.[/quote]
You are close… If we are talking about how they are playing this season and who I would want on my team the most if I had to win a game next week (and I had a decent team),
1.Rodgers
2.Brady
3.Luck
4.Manning
5.Brees
6.Rivers (if he’s healthy)
7.Roethlisberger
8.Ryan
9.Stafford
10.Eli
Russell Wilson is close. Romo, Flacco, Alex Smith, possibly Andy Dalton, and even Jay Cutler are all basically the same QB, with Flacco being the best of that bunch. They are QB’s that are good enough to win, if they have a great running game and line and aren’t asked to do too much. But as soon as you ask them to shoulder the load they throw the game away (Romo and Cutler) or just cant get it done (Smith and Dalton).
I don’t know what to think about Cam Newton. And Kap is not even anywhere around this discussion.[/quote]
I am assuming this list is part of some conspiracy to get me pissed off about Romo not being in the top 5 on internet qb rating list.[/quote]
I can’t figure out the criteria. Stafford is 9, but his numbers are ,as far as I can remember, better than Rivers, Ryan, and Luck while none of them have won a super bowl. I’d put all of them in the same category (including Romo especially since all of them have lost playoff games or haven’t made it at all).
To me the categories should be:
Tier 1 - Elite: (Must have a Super Bowl win): Brady, Rodgers, Manning,P., Brees
Tier 2 - Great w/ a Super Bowl win: Flacco, Rothlisberger (possibly Elite), Manning, E.
Tier 3 - Great w/out a Super Bowl win: Ryan, Luck, Rivers, Romo
Tier 4 - Good w/ Super Bowl: Wilson
Tier 5 - Good w/out Super Bowl: Smith, Dalton, Palmer, Newton,
Tier 6 - Average: Kapernick, Bortles, Bradford, FitzPatrick, RGIII, Bortles,
Tier 7 - Bad: Sanchez, Manziel (at least for now), Hoyer, Smith, G.,
*I spelled half these names wrong I’m sure and missed a number of QBs. [/quote]
Rivers has had a down second half of the year because of injuries. He did set the record for consecutive games earlier this year with a high passer rating. I forget the criteria, but it was pretty impressive.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Romo’s a pretty good QB. Pretty good. I would take Wilson over both Romo and Rapistburger six days a week and twice on Sunday. [/quote]
Not quite sure I’d take him over Big Ben – which is prob about me clinging to the ‘prototypical-pocket-passer’ notion – but yes, Russ Wilson is being severely overlooked in this thread.
Dude makes plays that win big games, period.
And that he’s still punishing defenses with the zone-read despite having no WRs… meanwhile, defensive coordinators have all but taken that away from basically every other QB.
Elite Tier - the top four
2nd Tier - Big Ben, Wilson, Luck
3rd Tier - Romo, Rivers, Eli, Flacco, Ryan,
Reason for Optimism - Stafford, Kaepernick, Palmer, Newton
Nothing Special - Alex Smith, Dalton and the rest
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Luck > Ryan, Brees, Rivers,Roethlesburger > Eli, Romo, Flaco > Stafford, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton, Alex Smith > everybody else is how I’d bracket them Elite>Great>Good>Decent.
That’s just my opinion though.[/quote]
You are close… If we are talking about how they are playing this season and who I would want on my team the most if I had to win a game next week (and I had a decent team),
1.Rodgers
2.Brady
3.Luck
4.Manning
5.Brees
6.Rivers (if he’s healthy)
7.Roethlisberger
8.Ryan
9.Stafford
10.Eli
Russell Wilson is close. Romo, Flacco, Alex Smith, possibly Andy Dalton, and even Jay Cutler are all basically the same QB, with Flacco being the best of that bunch. They are QB’s that are good enough to win, if they have a great running game and line and aren’t asked to do too much. But as soon as you ask them to shoulder the load they throw the game away (Romo and Cutler) or just cant get it done (Smith and Dalton).
I don’t know what to think about Cam Newton. And Kap is not even anywhere around this discussion.[/quote]
I am assuming this list is part of some conspiracy to get me pissed off about Romo not being in the top 5 on internet qb rating list.[/quote]
I can’t figure out the criteria. Stafford is 9, but his numbers are ,as far as I can remember, better than Rivers, Ryan, and Luck while none of them have won a super bowl. I’d put all of them in the same category (including Romo especially since all of them have lost playoff games or haven’t made it at all).
To me the categories should be:
Tier 1 - Elite: (Must have a Super Bowl win): Brady, Rodgers, Manning,P., Brees
Tier 2 - Great w/ a Super Bowl win: Flacco, Rothlisberger (possibly Elite), Manning, E.
Tier 3 - Great w/out a Super Bowl win: Ryan, Luck, Rivers, Romo
Tier 4 - Good w/ Super Bowl: Wilson
Tier 5 - Good w/out Super Bowl: Smith, Dalton, Palmer, Newton,
Tier 6 - Average: Kapernick, Bortles, Bradford, FitzPatrick, RGIII, Bortles,
Tier 7 - Bad: Sanchez, Manziel (at least for now), Hoyer, Smith, G.,
*I spelled half these names wrong I’m sure and missed a number of QBs. [/quote]
Id take Wilson over Flacco, Ryan and Romo how he is good and Flacco is great sounds like home cookin.
How Bradford is average and Sanchez is bad is also weird, theyre both bad and Sanchez has accomplished a lot more. In fact to put Sanchez is the same category as Smith, Hoyer and Manziel is ridiculous. Yet you have Fitzpatrick as Average. Some of these guys shouldnt be on the list and just be given an INC.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Elite Tier - the top four
2nd Tier - Big Ben, Wilson, Luck
3rd Tier - Romo, Rivers, Eli, Flacco, Ryan,
Reason for Optimism - Stafford, Kaepernick, Palmer, Newton
Nothing Special - Alex Smith, Dalton and the rest
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This I agree with, though Palmer in the reason for optimism group is weird considering he is on the decline especially after another injury
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Romo’s a pretty good QB. Pretty good. I would take Wilson over both Romo and Rapistburger six days a week and twice on Sunday. [/quote]
Not quite sure I’d take him over Big Ben – which is prob about me clinging to the ‘prototypical-pocket-passer’ notion – but yes, Russ Wilson is being severely overlooked in this thread.
Dude makes plays that win big games, period.
And that he’s still punishing defenses with the zone-read despite having no WRs… meanwhile, defensive coordinators have all but taken that away from basically every other QB.
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I feel like I’m biased, but I watch the guy every week and every week I’m impressed. He makes very good decisions, good throws, very few mistakes, and pulls shit out of his ass to save plays like nobody else. And the guy can run. When I watch other games and a sack happens I generally think, Wilson would have done a spin move and been 10 yards down field instead. And he’s young. I’m not sure how to judge him against the list, other than I’m happy he’s on my team and there are not many out there I’d trade him for given his qualities, age, work ethic, etc.
Maybe Luck.
Well that’s a good start to this weekend