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Raj, I don’t disagree with what he was saying, and I did say that there is no one more important for his team than Dwight. But traditionally the MVP goes to at least one of the very best teams in the league. The Magic aren’t one of the very best and honestly I don’t think they’re even as good as their record shows. All of the other elite teams in the NBA would have an easy time against Orlando in a 7 game series IMO. Well…maybe not Miami.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
But traditionally the MVP goes to at least one of the very best teams in the league. The Magic aren’t one of the very best and honestly I don’t think they’re even as good as their record shows. [/quote]
They’re in the top 4 in the East and are 21 games over .500. A record like that isn’t a fluke.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
All of the other elite teams in the NBA would have an easy time against Orlando in a 7 game series IMO. Well…maybe not Miami. [/quote]
I don’t agree but even if that were true, what does that have to do with a SEASON MVP?
They’ve been playing pretty good, having the second best record since the All Star Break.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Stats wise 'bron 'bron makes a good case to repeat as MVP.
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ehhh, I agree on the stats, but it’s not enough for him to be a contender.
- Derrick Rose
- Dwight Howard
- Kobe Bryant [yup]
- after this…Durant, LeBron, Dirk. The Spurs and Celts don’t have an undisputed #1 IMO, so no candidates from there.[/quote]
Really should be Dwight.
Rose has a much better players surrounding him.[/quote]
The problem with the MVP voting is it’s as much a popularity contest as it is about being the most valuable player. I like Derrick Rose but he is a god awful defender, and while he’s clearly the best player on the Bulls [and they’re kicking ass] that team would be good if Watson started. I don’t really like Howard and think he benefits more than anyone else in playing in a league with no centers, but he is definitely more important to his teams success. With that, I’d like to see Bryant get it 'cause he should have at least 3 more in his trophy room and the league needs to make ammends.[/quote]
Rose is better on D this year than he has been in the past. But it’s frickin hard to D up on all the lightning-quick young PGs without hand checking.
Your point about Howard - it’s all about perspective. You say he benefits from a lack of good Centers - I say he’s even more valuable than ever because good Centers are so hard to find.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
But traditionally the MVP goes to at least one of the very best teams in the league. The Magic aren’t one of the very best and honestly I don’t think they’re even as good as their record shows. [/quote]
They’re in the top 4 in the East and are 21 games over .500. A record like that isn’t a fluke.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
All of the other elite teams in the NBA would have an easy time against Orlando in a 7 game series IMO. Well…maybe not Miami. [/quote]
I don’t agree but even if that were true, what does that have to do with a SEASON MVP?
They’ve been playing pretty good, having the second best record since the All Star Break.
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Bro…bro.
I’m with D Howard for MVP.
I mean D Rose can’t get it yet, right?
Just the way CHI can’t win it all yet, right??
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Stats wise 'bron 'bron makes a good case to repeat as MVP.
[/quote]
ehhh, I agree on the stats, but it’s not enough for him to be a contender.
- Derrick Rose
- Dwight Howard
- Kobe Bryant [yup]
- after this…Durant, LeBron, Dirk. The Spurs and Celts don’t have an undisputed #1 IMO, so no candidates from there.[/quote]
Really should be Dwight.
Rose has a much better players surrounding him.[/quote]
The problem with the MVP voting is it’s as much a popularity contest as it is about being the most valuable player. I like Derrick Rose but he is a god awful defender, and while he’s clearly the best player on the Bulls [and they’re kicking ass] that team would be good if Watson started. I don’t really like Howard and think he benefits more than anyone else in playing in a league with no centers, but he is definitely more important to his teams success. With that, I’d like to see Bryant get it 'cause he should have at least 3 more in his trophy room and the league needs to make ammends.[/quote]
Rose is better on D this year than he has been in the past. But it’s frickin hard to D up on all the lightning-quick young PGs without hand checking.
Your point about Howard - it’s all about perspective. You say he benefits from a lack of good Centers - I say he’s even more valuable than ever because good Centers are so hard to find.[/quote]
I addressed the lack of D by todays pg’s in an earlier post. I see what you’re saying about Howard - and it makes complete sense - but he plays in a league with only 2 other centers averaging a double double. If he played in a league with even 10 serviceable centers his numbers would be way down.
[quote]chillain wrote:
I’m with D Howard for MVP.
I mean D Rose can’t get it yet, right?
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It has nothing to do with Rose being a sophomore
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
I’m with D Howard for MVP.
I mean D Rose can’t get it yet, right?
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It has nothing to do with Rose being a sophomore[/quote]
This is his 3rd year, but your point holds.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
I’m with D Howard for MVP.
I mean D Rose can’t get it yet, right?
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It has nothing to do with Rose being a sophomore[/quote]
No need to point that out.
His defensive dominance makes it an easy decision, for me anyway
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
I’m with D Howard for MVP.
I mean D Rose can’t get it yet, right?
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It has nothing to do with Rose being a sophomore[/quote]
No need to point that out.
His defensive dominance makes it an easy decision, for me anyway
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The thing about Dwight you forget is that even being widely regarded as the best defensive player in the league (his help D is insanely good)… he has legitimately added several moves to his post game (averaging a career high in points by nearly 3pts/game).
Best defensive player who also averages 23pts/game on 60% shooting is IMO a pretty impressive resume.
One thing we can agree on (I think) is that there is no clear-cut choice. I personally would have Dwight at #1 but I can see arguments for a few others.
Awesome win by the Cavs over the Heat today. Well deserved!
I didn’t watch it, I was expecting it to be another disappointment. Wow good for Cleveland.
You know what is total bullshit?
The fact that Kobe Bryant has only won 1 NBA MVP award. Clearly the best player in the NBA more than one time in the past 15 seasons but only gets 1 MVP. So weak.
(I know this has been discussed before but yeah its just lame. Oh well… Rings are more important than MVP’s anyway)
When he was playing with Shaq, Shaq was the main guy. When Shaq left the team sucked, so even though he was clearly the best the NBA couldn’t give it to a guy on a team that barely made the playoffs. Then Gasol came and the Lakers became great again but Kobe had to obviously start sharing the wealth at this point. Then on top of that you’ve got a guy named LeBron James. Just look at the Cavaliers now and you’ve got the most potent evidence discerning the validity of him winning that award.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
When he was playing with Shaq, Shaq was the main guy. When Shaq left the team sucked, so even though he was clearly the best the NBA couldn’t give it to a guy on a team that barely made the playoffs. Then Gasol came and the Lakers became great again but Kobe had to obviously start sharing the wealth at this point. Then on top of that you’ve got a guy named LeBron James. Just look at the Cavaliers now and you’ve got the most potent evidence discerning the validity of him winning that award.[/quote]
This is an extremely simplistic view of his career and you are trying to explain it away like it’s a logical, fact-based discussion. There were at least 2 seasons he should have won it and didn’t. First time was the second season of the first 3peat with Shaq. That was his best season and better than anyone else’s that year (including Shaq).
Second time I forget the exact year but it’s when he did drag that shit sandwich to the playoffs without Shaq and was averaging 35 points a game that season. The bottom-line is that this award is as much subjective as it is objective. People didn’t like Kobe and he gave them plenty of reasons not to in the early part of his career.
Freakin Steve Nash has more MVPs than Kobe. That’s indefensible.
[quote]randman wrote:
Freakin Steve Nash has more MVPs than Kobe. That’s indefensible. [/quote]
And Steve Nash deserved it in the 2 years he won it.
It’s a SINGLE season award.
And if you’re talking about the year AI won the award, I definitely think he deserved it more than kobe
[quote]therajraj wrote:
And Steve Nash deserved it in the 2 years he won it.[/quote]
Well, we thought he did.
And then we saw freaking Chris Duhon and Ray Felton put up similarly-inflated stats in a D’Antoni offense…