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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
This is getting disgusting. These media folks think they are so funny with their jokes and sensationalism. Apparently they know so much more than everyone else that they’re entitled to poke fun at the misfortune of others. The same, unfortunately, can be said for some fans. Why in your god damn mind would you want a team to lose so badly if they’re not even playing against the team you root for. Today, after the Portland loss they’ll be articles everywhere by every single sports analyst and supplemented with worthless commentary from supposed “fans” that care more about the struggle of a collective group of players than the actual love for the game.
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Gimme a break. Sports hate has been going on as long as there has been sports. The misfortune of Lebron and the Heat??? The poor multimillionaires that acted all arrogant for most of the season. The shame, the shame…

So some respect to Lebron and the Heat??? LMFAO!!! This has to be a joke. Half the fun of watching sports is watching a team or person lose that you don’t like. Especially when they set themselves up. Get over it.

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So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I remember this guy in college who pressed 405 for 15 reps. He weighed about 300…a LEAN 300 at about 6’5". I expected to see that guy in the NFL or on a bodybuilding stage (he competed one semester in a bodybuilding contest my freshman year). I never heard of him again. Bottom line, yeah, there are some strong mutherfuckers out there who you won’t hear about on the news or see on youtube.

To believe otherwise would be to believe that no regular guy on the streets of Harlem could ever play basketball as well as Michael Jordan…simply because you never heard of them.
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[quote]gregron wrote:

It seems like you are saying that there are regular guys on the streets of harlem that could play basketball as well as Michael Jordan?[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote

You think there aren’t? First, you would have to assume that every talented player gets to go to college to even start thinking like that. Statistically, there are no doubt some guys who COULD have played that well or possibly even better who never got the opportunity. They ended up in jail, dead, working at their family’s store or 5,000 other possibilities. Maybe one got shot in the ass the day before the big game during a drive by. [/quote]

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I could this applying to NBA level talent. But as good as MJ? BULLLLLLSHIT

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Prof X has a point. Ever heard of Earl “The Goat” Manigault? Kareem said he’s the best player he’s ever seen. The guy apparently could shoot from anywhere and had a 50 inch vert.

I’ll say though MJ was great not just because of his obvious basketball skills but also because of his instinct for the game and mental fortitude.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I remember this guy in college who pressed 405 for 15 reps. He weighed about 300…a LEAN 300 at about 6’5". I expected to see that guy in the NFL or on a bodybuilding stage (he competed one semester in a bodybuilding contest my freshman year). I never heard of him again. Bottom line, yeah, there are some strong mutherfuckers out there who you won’t hear about on the news or see on youtube.

To believe otherwise would be to believe that no regular guy on the streets of Harlem could ever play basketball as well as Michael Jordan…simply because you never heard of them.
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[quote]gregron wrote:

It seems like you are saying that there are regular guys on the streets of harlem that could play basketball as well as Michael Jordan?[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote

You think there aren’t? First, you would have to assume that every talented player gets to go to college to even start thinking like that. Statistically, there are no doubt some guys who COULD have played that well or possibly even better who never got the opportunity. They ended up in jail, dead, working at their family’s store or 5,000 other possibilities. Maybe one got shot in the ass the day before the big game during a drive by. [/quote]
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Where’d you get that? Sometimes people say the dumbest shit.

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[quote]randman wrote:

Gimme a break. Sports hate has been going on as long as there has been sports. The misfortune of Lebron and the Heat??? The poor multimillionaires that acted all arrogant for most of the season. The shame, the shame…

So some respect to Lebron and the Heat??? LMFAO!!! This has to be a joke. Half the fun of watching sports is watching a team or person lose that you don’t like. Especially when they set themselves up. Get over it.
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You should be watching the games, enjoying them and analyzing them not talking shit about 'Bron. LeBron got talent on and off the court, GQ style and money. You jelly? LOL but seriously man, what the fuck are you going to say here if the Heat beat the lakers Thurs? Will you show up?

I think all this Heat hate is due to some insecurity about your own ball skills. You hate Miami and everything flashy. You see Lebron and wade glide on the court and you get envious you can;t do anywhere near that. Are you alright with your back? Whats your vert, 10 inches? I should come up there to Cali and shut down South Central. I’ll play you one-on-one… with one hand. One hand for dribbling and the other holding my cold Corona. Then we can play HORSE and I’ll beat you blind folded with a blunt in my mouth!

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lol Gettnitdone you should move to the USA.

You already talk like a black kid from Compton

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Where’d you get that? Sometimes people say the dumbest shit.[/quote]

Like you if you think that statement is false. To think that statistically no human could ever possess similar physical characteristics and advantages that, with the right guidance, could lead to them being as good as a “Michael Jordan” is to completely ignore genetics and the fact that there are billions of us on this planet. Michael Jordan was/is one of the greats not just because of what he was born with physically but also his mental state, his environment and his determination. In fact, some might say the determination was the most important factor.

The dumbest shit?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Prof X has a point. Ever heard of Earl “The Goat” Manigault? Kareem said he’s the best player he’s ever seen. The guy apparently could shoot from anywhere and had a 50 inch vert.

I’ll say though MJ was great not just because of his obvious basketball skills but also because of his instinct for the game and mental fortitude.[/quote]

Basically this…but I guess this is also the “dumbest shit”.

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In the words of the former Knick and Net Micheal Ray Richardson “the ship be sinking, and skys the limit.”

AND I LOVE IT!

I hate all Miami sports teams espescially the Heat and Fish and to see them struggle is very pleasing. I was always ambivalent towards Lebron until the whole decision fiasco. Now seeing him struggle is very, very nice. He ruined his legacy, even if he goes on to win 3 championships the next 5 years it wont be worth as much as winning one with the Cavs.

Now they are moving on to face the Lake show! AWESOME! Big Chief Triangle is gonna kick the heat when their down.

I wonder what Jeff Van Gumby thinks of his prediction of this paper tiger team now?

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:
The dumbest fans on Earth? This coming from a Toronto Raptors fan? Mmmkay.

And word of advice, therajraj, don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. [/quote]

lol - What’s so bad about being a Raptors fan? I know they suck. They’ve only been in the league 15 years man.

Red Sox fans blaming a trade that happened in 1918 for why they took so long to win a championship is why they’re the dumbest fans on earth.[/quote]

Now you really are making yourself look uninformed again. Die hard Red Sox fans NEVER blamed The Curse as the reason for playoff drought.

That was coined by a local media guy, Dan Shaughnessy, that wrote a book called “The Curse of the Bambino” and then the media ran with it.

Now we have uninformed baseball fans, like you, who think Red Sox fans created, believed, and supported this myth.

Really Raj. You keep trying to diss me and you keep exposing your lack of sports knowledge. It’s freaking embarrasing.[/quote]

All I really have to say about this baseball argument is that Shaughnessy is a twat.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Prof X has a point. Ever heard of Earl “The Goat” Manigault? Kareem said he’s the best player he’s ever seen. The guy apparently could shoot from anywhere and had a 50 inch vert.

I’ll say though MJ was great not just because of his obvious basketball skills but also because of his instinct for the game and mental fortitude.[/quote]

Basically this…but I guess this is also the “dumbest shit”.[/quote]

There are some great stories out there about guys who could never make the nba due to drug use, or lack of opportunity to play real organized ball. I can’t remember where I read it but there was some street legend named “The Changemaker” because he could take a dollar bill up and make change on his way down (he’d have like 4 quarters on top of the backboard before he jumped, then jump up and place the bill on the backboard and grab the change).

Although one thing I will say is part of MJ’s talent was that unique mental determination…you can’t separate that from his physical gifts when talking about being as talented as him IMO.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

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I get where he was coming from but he should have used a different sport as an example. Basketball is too skill based. I imagine there are and were guys with similar physical gifts but at the end of the day I can’t imagine one of them had the skills or mindset to be like Mike. The guys in the NBA are the best and if it looks like they might not be it’s because they’re often playing with and against the other best players in the world. Guys on the playground aren’t.

I think a better example would be something like Ben Johnson. At his peak he squatted 600lbs for 2 sets of 6, short of failure and based on the way Charlie Francis trains his sprinters Ben presumably did it after a sprint session. He also benched in the 400s [for less than 6 reps, however] at his peak.

I don’t know what Ben Johnson weights but it had to be less than 200lbs [he sprinted for a living] and was more likely between 170-190lbs. He looks like more than 170 but I say that number because that’s the one I remember reading. Apparently he never really went as hard as he could on the squats because it was too risky and he didn’t want to get too bulky. And lastly, he did this even though his body was better suited for sprinting, which is to say it was poorly suited for weightlifting.

One can only imagine what he’d do if he focused on lifting alone.

[There’s a video from the CBC archives on youtube of him doing really high box squats but that’s from 1998…there’s a better one I’ve seen and if I find it I’ll post it.]

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Lloyd Sweet Pea Daniels comes to mind

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
In the words of the former Knick and Net Micheal Ray Richardson “the ship be sinking, and skys the limit.”

AND I LOVE IT!

I hate all Miami sports teams espescially the Heat and Fish and to see them struggle is very pleasing. I was always ambivalent towards Lebron until the whole decision fiasco. Now seeing him struggle is very, very nice. He ruined his legacy, even if he goes on to win 3 championships the next 5 years it wont be worth as much as winning one with the Cavs.

Now they are moving on to face the Lake show! AWESOME! Big Chief Triangle is gonna kick the heat when their down.

I wonder what Jeff Van Gumby thinks of his prediction of this paper tiger team now?[/quote]

You know, I’ve been saying and thinking that I was over “The Decision” and just want to watch good basketball. But I’ll be damned if I wasn’t smiling as the Heat had no answers for Portland in the last 3 minutes of that game. Bosh was just woefully unequipped to guard Aldridge. And it is DAMN funny they are going to have a worse record than the recent LBJ Cavs teams.

Speaking of Aldridge, when the fuck did he morph into an unstoppable scorer? I thought they overpaid a soft PF who can’t rebound but he has really transformed his game. Specifically his moves in the low post.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

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I get where he was coming from but he should have used a different sport as an example. Basketball is too skill based. I imagine there are and were guys with similar physical gifts but at the end of the day I can’t imagine one of them had the skills or mindset to be like Mike. The guys in the NBA are the best and if it looks like they might not be it’s because they’re often playing with and against the other best players in the world. Guys on the playground aren’t.

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This is basically what I was thinking. His physical gifts sure. You could argue that there have been plenty of people who were/are as physically gifted as MJ.

But the guys basketball IQ, drive and focus are unmatched.

You’re more likely to find a guy in a gym who can break a world record lift than someone in Harlem that’s better than Michael Jordan at NBA basketball with the best coaching in the world.

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Relevant: Joe Blogs: The Joy Of Rooting Against LeBron

One of the best sportswriters in the biz…I like him more for baseball than bball but he knows how to write.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

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I get where he was coming from but he should have used a different sport as an example. Basketball is too skill based. I imagine there are and were guys with similar physical gifts but at the end of the day I can’t imagine one of them had the skills or mindset to be like Mike. The guys in the NBA are the best and if it looks like they might not be it’s because they’re often playing with and against the other best players in the world. Guys on the playground aren’t.
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I used Mike because he is the perfect example of ALL of the factors that go into making someone a champion on that level…which is the main reason why no one can claim that no other person could ever come close if that person was given the same motivators or similar ones. Most people won’t because they lack the environmental factors, the drive and the mental fortitude…not because no other human has anywhere near his actual physical capabilities.

That was the point I was making in the other thread with Ronnie Coleman as well. Ronnie got into bodybuilding because a gym owner talked him into it. Had that not happened, there would still be a Ronnie Coleman, even if you never heard of him.

The point was that we are not aware of all of the people on the planet with the greatest potential…and statistically, if there is a Michael, then there has been, will be, or currently is someone who can do it even better.

Whether they get the chance to is another matter altogether.

Either way, sorry for the hijack but this site has gotten retarded with people calling me out for every fucking statement apparently even across forums.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
So did any of you guys catch this exchange?

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I get where he was coming from but he should have used a different sport as an example. Basketball is too skill based. I imagine there are and were guys with similar physical gifts but at the end of the day I can’t imagine one of them had the skills or mindset to be like Mike. The guys in the NBA are the best and if it looks like they might not be it’s because they’re often playing with and against the other best players in the world. Guys on the playground aren’t.
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I used Mike because he is the perfect example of ALL of the factors that go into making someone a champion on that level…which is the main reason why no one can claim that no other person could ever come close if that person was given the same motivators or similar ones. Most people won’t because they lack the environmental factors, the drive and the mental fortitude…not because no other human has anywhere near his actual physical capabilities.

That was the point I was making in the other thread with Ronnie Coleman as well. Ronnie got into bodybuilding because a gym owner talked him into it. Had that not happened, there would still be a Ronnie Coleman, even if you never heard of him.

The point was that we are not aware of all of the people on the planet with the greatest potential…and statistically, if there is a Michael, then there has been, will be, or currently is someone who can do it even better.

Whether they get the chance to is another matter altogether.

Either way, sorry for the hijack but this site has gotten retarded with people calling me out for every fucking statement apparently even across forums.[/quote]

I think we`re on the same page.

Anyway I found the vid:
http://archives.cbc.ca/sports/athletics/topics/1392/

At 40 seconds, they say Ben Johnson can bench press over 400lbs and say that it`s over 2.5x his bodyweight.

Funnily enough, in the video hes doing it on an incline, too. Though Im not sure if they were referring to the incline bench in the video when they say 400lbs. If they are than at less than 200lbs you have to imagine this guy would have been one of the best lifters ever had he focused on it alone.