I don’t know how we got into this tangential argument. The Red Sox team found every way to lose for 86 years. Yes, it was pathetic. Fans supporting the team are not stupid as a result for supporting their team. Again I can come up with multiple teams in multiple sports that have horrible management and die hard fans still fill the arenas because they love and support their team even if they can’t stand management.
That you are calling them all stupid because they go watch their team is funny. If I remember correctly, you go and watch Raptor games, no? Raptors management is pretty bad. Does that make you stupid?
Knicks history as a whole have a LOT more seasons without playoff appearances than with them. You’re backpedaling and it’s not pretty. It’s because your premise is indefensible - calling fans stupid to go to games if the team’s management stinks. Again, raj, you go to Raptors games…are you stupid?
Through three quarters and LAL is all over ATL, so clearly there was no “look-ahead to thurs night” going on tonight. Which reminded me to post Wilbon’s recent thoughts on LAL (from espn.com):
The Lakers, I believe, have what amounts to a check list of things they want to get done this regular season, which they are otherwise bored with completely. Just before the All-Star brea they won at Boston, won at Madison Square Garden, won at Portland (where they historically stink), won at Oklahoma City, and now won at San Antonio. Oh, and they have at Miami Thursday night. The Lakers, even in their boredom, want to show that when they’re awake they can kill you. And they still can. I will say this in their defense: only two franchises have reached four straight NBA Finals, the Celtics and Lakers. It’s difficult and demanding and exacting to the point of being numbing. They’re not robots. This isn’t a football season. The Lakers identify these moments where they want to flex and, BOOM!, the knock you out. So, no there is nothing from yesterday’s game that suggests a Spurs-Lakers series would go seven games. Quite a few players in the league wondered during the All-Star break whether the Spurs 1) can still play defense…2) can win if they don’t shoot threes well in a particular game…Well, yesterday’s result suggests the Spurs can’t play the kind of championship defense they used to play and that they might have to incorporate more of the traditional inside-out offense starting with Tim Duncan that they used so effectively over the years…
Dude, I’m watching the game. The Lakers are just stomping on teams again! It’s a thing o beauty to watch.
[quote]randman wrote:
I don’t know how we got into this tangential argument. The Red Sox team found every way to lose for 86 years. Yes, it was pathetic. Fans supporting the team are not stupid as a result for supporting their team. Again I can come up with multiple teams in multiple sports that have horrible management and die hard fans still fill the arenas because they love and support their team even if they can’t stand management.
That you are calling them all stupid because they go watch their team is funny. If I remember correctly, you go and watch Raptor games, no? Raptors management is pretty bad. Does that make you stupid?
Knicks history as a whole have a LOT more seasons without playoff appearances than with them. You’re backpedaling and it’s not pretty. It’s because your premise is indefensible - calling fans stupid to go to games if the team’s management stinks. Again, raj, you go to Raptors games…are you stupid?[/quote]
I haven’t been to a Raptors game in years. The last game I went was against the Magic and Steve Francis was part of the team. So some time between 2004-2006. I would only go to a game if tickets were free.
Either way if your team is being mismanaged for decades you really shouldn’t go. Knicks have been competitive quite a bit in their history so I wouldn’t put them in that boat
Edit: Knicks have made the playoffs 38 times in 65 years
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Either way if your team is being mismanaged for decades you really shouldn’t go. Knicks have been competitive quite a bit in their history so I wouldn’t put them in that boat[/quote]
Cut it out raj. The last decade they haven’t been to the playoffs ONCE. This has to have been THE most mismanaged team in the NBA in the last decade; the Isiah Thomas reign was the most embarrassing, destructive decade for an NBA team since I don’t know when. He single handedly DESTROYED the team. The arena was still full every night. You’re calling the fans stupid for going. Stop pussyfooting around it. This is a great example.
I would classify Knicks fans as THE most sophisticated knowledgeable fans in the NBA, the basketball mecca. These fans know their basketball. They still supported their team through a decade of misery. You know why they continue to go? Hope. That the team will turn their fortunes around. Because they appreciate the game of basketball. And you’re saying fans like this (like the Red Sox fans) are just stupid.
You don’t get to not put them in this category. A decade of NO playoff appearances qualifies. Stop backpedaling…
You have this bad habit when you really haven’t thought through your arguments you start backpedaling, putting conditions on things, trying to twist things, try to put up tangental arguments that have nothing to do with the original point…Instead of admitting that maybe you over-reached a little bit.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Either way if your team is being mismanaged for decades you really shouldn’t go. Knicks have been competitive quite a bit in their history so I wouldn’t put them in that boat
Edit: Knicks have made the playoffs 38 times in 65 years[/quote]
And didn’t go to the playoffs for a decade and still filled the arena. You are trying to say that a team that went to the playoffs in their history before many people were born is ok even if the team sucks for years on end now. Your criteria keeps changing because you know you have a weak argument by calling die hard fans “dumb” that continue to go and support their team.
Bullshit raj. You’re backpedaling and now you’re stretching to find something to back up your point. It ain’t working. You said fans were stupid that continue to go support their team when management is fucking up. The Knicks in the 2000s ARE THE BEST EXAMPLE of this during the Isiah Thomsa reign.
Jesus Rand, let it go. You’re turning into the Proffesor X of the NBA thread, and that is not a good thing.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Either way if your team is being mismanaged for decades you really shouldn’t go. Knicks have been competitive quite a bit in their history so I wouldn’t put them in that boat[/quote]
Cut it out raj. The last decade they haven’t been to the playoffs ONCE. This has to have been THE most mismanaged team in the NBA in the last decade; the Isiah Thomas reign was the most embarrassing, destructive decade for an NBA team since I don’t know when. He single handedly DESTROYED the team. The arena was still full every night. You’re calling the fans stupid for going. Stop pussyfooting around it. This is a great example.
I would classify Knicks fans as THE most sophisticated knowledgeable fans in the NBA, the basketball mecca. These fans know their basketball. They still supported their team through a decade of misery. You know why they continue to go? Hope. That the team will turn their fortunes around. Because they appreciate the game of basketball. And you’re saying fans like this (like the Red Sox fans) are just stupid.
You don’t get to not put them in this category. A decade of NO playoff appearances qualifies. Stop backpedaling…
You have this bad habit when you really haven’t though through your arguments you start backpedaling, putting conditions on things, trying to twist things, try to put up tangental arguments that have nothing to do with the original point…Instead of admitting that maybe you over-reached a little bit. [/quote]
Whether the Knicks are considered to be mismanaged for most of their history is debatable - i agree in recent times they have been terribly mismanaged. If I were a Knick fan I wouldn’t go.
But Yes - I consider it dumb to continually go to games when management doesn’t give 2 shits about the happiness of the fans.
This is one reason I really like the Jays fan base. They will come if the team wins or at least building towards a winning team like now
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Either way if your team is being mismanaged for decades you really shouldn’t go. Knicks have been competitive quite a bit in their history so I wouldn’t put them in that boat
Edit: Knicks have made the playoffs 38 times in 65 years[/quote]
And didn’t go to the playoffs for a decade and still filled the arena. You are trying to say that a team that went to the playoffs in their history before many people were born is ok even if the team sucks for years on end now. Your criteria keeps changing because you know you have a weak argument by calling die hard fans “dumb” that continue to go and support their team.
Bullshit raj. You’re backpedaling and now you’re stretching to find something to back up your point. It ain’t working. You said fans were stupid that continue to go support their team when management is fucking up. The Knicks in the 2000s ARE THE BEST EXAMPLE of this during the Isiah Thomsa reign.[/quote]
I don’t disagree the knicks have been mismanaged in recent times.
Well we agree on something over the last three pages!!! Ha!
Would also love to see POR hold on for the win here…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus Rand, let it go. You’re turning into the Proffesor X of the NBA thread, and that is not a good thing.[/quote]
Dude, gimme a break. I’ve seen you do this on the NBA thread before where you go on for three + pages debating with someone who typically has a less-than-thought-out logical stance on an issue [maybe that’s when you decide to put them on the ignore list? ;0]. I’m not going to bow out of a debate particularly when I think the argument is weak myself. But don’t worry, it looks like we are done…for now. ;0
[quote]chillain wrote:
Would also love to see POR hold on for the win here…[/quote]
Dude!!! Miami is losing again! I hope you POR does too!!!
Bullshit on backpedaling.
I said it’s stupid to go to games when your team sucks for decades. Then we argued over whether the Knicks are mismanaged.
You haven’t convinced me of anything.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
Would also love to see POR hold on for the win here…[/quote]
Dude!!! Miami is losing again! I hope you POR does too!!![/quote]
Ha ha ha its a done deal.
Actually there’s 23.5 seconds left and the NBATV crew is already busting out the “crying” jokes…
This is getting disgusting. These media folks think they are so funny with their jokes and sensationalism. Apparently they know so much more than everyone else that they’re entitled to poke fun at the misfortune of others. The same, unfortunately, can be said for some fans. Why in your god damn mind would you want a team to lose so badly if they’re not even playing against the team you root for. Today, after the Portland loss they’ll be articles everywhere by every single sports analyst and supplemented with worthless commentary from supposed “fans” that care more about the struggle of a collective group of players than the actual love for the game.
I watch NBA because I love basketball. I’m not going to moan and groan for days if my team loses in the playoffs and doesn’t win a championship. Fact is I want LeBron to succeed because he’s one of the best. If anything the whole situation in Miami is either nil, as in there’s no problem this is a rough patch or there’s actually something to be sad about. These players give it their all emotionally and physically. Show some respect or get the fuck out.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus Rand, let it go. You’re turning into the Proffesor X of the NBA thread, and that is not a good thing.[/quote]
Dude, gimme a break. I’ve seen you do this on the NBA thread before where you go on for three + pages debating with someone who typically has a less-than-thought-out logical stance on an issue [maybe that’s when you decide to put them on the ignore list? ;0]. I’m not going to bow out of a debate particularly when I think the argument is weak myself. But don’t worry, it looks like we are done…for now. ;0[/quote]
I’m gonna say this and that’s it: You have never seen me go on for 3+ pages with anybody about one thing. Maybe 3 + posts. Now, you can say whatever you like here 'cause I’m not e-arguing with anyone right now.
^^ Oh come off your high horse, Gettnitdone
Thriving off the misery of others is as old as humanity itself…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Jesus Rand, let it go. You’re turning into the Proffesor X of the NBA thread, and that is not a good thing.[/quote]
Dude, gimme a break. I’ve seen you do this on the NBA thread before where you go on for three + pages debating with someone who typically has a less-than-thought-out logical stance on an issue [maybe that’s when you decide to put them on the ignore list? ;0]. I’m not going to bow out of a debate particularly when I think the argument is weak myself. But don’t worry, it looks like we are done…for now. ;0[/quote]
I’m gonna say this and that’s it: You have never seen me go on for 3+ pages with anybody about one thing. Maybe 3 + posts. Now, you can say whatever you like here 'cause I’m not e-arguing with anyone right now. [/quote]
I’m not arguing with you either. I’ve seen you do this exact thing with Getnitdone in the other NBA thread. We’ll agree to disagree and leave it at. 3 + posts? No whiteflash, your memory seems to be quite selective here…