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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
^^ Yeah Flash I was thinking the same thing…Gallo has been great going to the line and he has deadly range he might be that other scorer that LA could use. Also Gallo needs a big city to play, he loved NY because of the international flavor, LA and its metropolitan appeal may be good for him as well. I like Gallo alot and hope he does well, people forget how young he is. From what Ive been reading it looks like his stay in Denver will be very very short[/quote]

I’ve heard he won’t be in Denver long, either. I really like his game, and he can’t be older than 21-22. He’ll eventually be a great 2nd scorer on a good [maybe great] team. Also, I think his dad or uncle or something played with D’Antoni in Italy, which is why the Knicks picked him so early. That had to be rough going both ways.

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Yeah, theres a real good chance we may see him back in the NY area very very soon (i.e. NJ Nets) for one of their number 1s…he is real young…and still hasnt hit his stride…he has all star caliber talent in the right situation

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Chauncey B-B-B-Billups aka Mr. Big Shot aka All Class aka The King of the Palace aka The real Robocop aka Mr. Detroit aka one of my favorite players.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.

And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]

Yeah, I think that, but I don’t think Amare could carry the team FOR A SEASON. It’s not about a streak of good ball playing, it’s about how you perform over 80+ games and how you deal with injuries on your team, etc. I want to see Amare really stressed; then, we can tell his true worth. He’s good and he’s been playing well, but I still don’t buy that he could carry NY the whole way. He would definitely need a Melo at least, but even that might not be enough. Of course, chemistry trumps many of these qualities, so we will have to see.

Look at Miami’s bench. Very little depth compared to the starting 5. That’s their issue.

And re: All Star game. I know the team itself isn’t that great, but I would’ve loved to see Monta Ellis playing.[/quote]

I don’t think Amare can either. My point is HE thinks he can. And he wants to.

Edit: Someone pointed out Amare was lobbying for James etc. to sign there. This is absolutely true and I forgot about it. Although I do think he’d think of himself as a tandem with LBJ whereas he prob thinks he’s better than Melo. If Melo gets all the hype and the Knicks aren’t winning 55 games he might get upset.

Maybe, maybe not. Just something to think about.[/quote]

Why the fuck does it matter what A’mare thinks, what’s he gonna do if he’s disgruntled? Pack up his goggles and leave town? He’s getting paid 100 million bucks to play in NY and I don’t care how arrogant or self-absorbed you are for 100 mil you’re showing up every game and definitely not letting emotions over-ride what you were brought there to do - and that’s win.

A’mare is not some whiny bitch, neither is 'Melo. Both of these guys played some of their best basketball amidst trade talk which proves their talent over-weights any of the typical unpleasantness associated with professional athletes.

Don’t get me wrong A’mare and 'Melo aren’t role models by any stretch, in-fact they are blatantly selfish and annoying but at the same time they’re professionals and two of the best basketballers on the planet. Their desire to win is probably greater than their desire to be “the guy” representing the Knicks on Letterman or O’Brien.

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Well it looks like Denver does not want to let go of Gallo.

As per Real GM

The Nuggets have told Danilo Gallinari that he will not be moved before Thursday’s trade deadline.

Another reporter confirms that the Clippers, one of the teams interested in trading for the third-year forward, have been told that Gallinari is not available at this time.

Throughout trade negotiations between the Nuggets and Knicks, it was widely reported that Denver did not think particularly highly of Gallinari as an asset. That now appears to have been inaccurate, as the Nuggets prepare to have a look at Gallinari as a potentially key part of the team’s future.

George Karl indicated on Tuesday that Gallinari would be his new starting small forward.

Read more: Denver Not Making Gallinari Available - RealGM Wiretap

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^^^Heard something on NBA tv that they were looking to move Harrington, and that Karl doesn’t see Felton as part of the teams future so they’re gonna start Lawson and look to move Felton. I know Lawson’s familiar with the system but he is not a better player/Point guard then Felton right now.

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This article sums up my criticism perfectly that

a) Isiah Thomas is casting a larges shadow back on the Knicks, Walsh the guy that architected the Knicks back to relevancy will be gone soon as a result

b) The Knicks did not, I repeat, did not need to give up so many assets to get Carmelo and if Walsh was in charge of this decision he would have pulled it off and

c) The Knicks have 40 mil on the books for the foreseeable future and it will be near impossible to get another high caliber player under a new CBA. And the Knicks lost their 2012 and 2014 draft picks because of this “give away the house” deal.

I hate Dolan more than I hate Al Davis. By FAR the worst owner in sports. Him and Isiah deserve each other.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^Heard something on NBA tv that they were looking to move Harrington, and that Karl doesn’t see Felton as part of the teams future so they’re gonna start Lawson and look to move Felton. I know Lawson’s familiar with the system but he is not a better player/Point guard then Felton right now.[/quote]

True, but I don’t think Denver is playing for right now. IMO Lawson has the bigger upside, dude has some pretty nasty per-minute stats given how little NBA ball he’s played being behind Chauncey. Faster, better shooter, worse defender.

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[quote]randman wrote:
This article sums up my criticism perfectly that

a) Isiah Thomas is casting a larges shadow back on the Knicks, Walsh the guy that architected the Knicks back to relevancy will be gone soon as a result

b) The Knicks did not, I repeat, did not need to give up so many assets to get Carmelo and if Walsh was in charge of this decision he would have pulled it off and

c) The Knicks have 40 mil on the books for the foreseeable future and it will be near impossible to get another high caliber player under a new CBA. And the Knicks lost their 2012 and 2014 draft picks because of this “give away the house” deal.

I hate Dolan more than I hate Al Davis. By FAR the worst owner in sports. Him and Isiah deserve each other.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/22/the-knickerbocker-empire-got-its-prize-in-melo-but-the-real-battle-begins-now/related[/quote]

Yeah, I still don’t understand why they gave up so much. I think the Nuggets tricked them into thinking other teams had a shot at Melo and made them bid against themselves. Melo was not signing with the Nets, the Lakers were not trading Bynum for him, and he wasn’t re-signing in Denver. The only reason to trade for him instead of wait for free agency was the possibility of a “franchise tag” in the next CBA… a real threat but still IMO not worth bidding so much.

All I know is if I were a Knicks fan I’d be really frickin tired of not picking in the first round of the draft.

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The knicks have only three players signef through2012 amare, melo and balkman. Walsh is on record as saying that np matter what the new cba is, the knicks will have more cap than most teams in the nba. Walshis also on record as stating that he wanted this deal done and did.not want to risk the chance of losing out on a 26 yr old star.

The only thing knick fAns are tired of is losing.

This lack of no 1 picks is really not true
jordan hill 09
gallinari 08
wilson chandler 07
renaldo balkman 06
mardy collins 06
channing frye 05
david lee 05
michael sweetney 03

Not to mention nate robinson who.was another first rounder they got in a trade.

So from 2003 to 2010 the knicks have had

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The knicks have only three players signef through2012 amare, melo and balkman. Walsh is on record as saying that np matter what the new cba is, the knicks will have more cap than most teams in the nba. Walshis also on record as stating that he wanted this deal done and did.not want to risk the chance of losing out on a 26 yr old star.

The only thing knick fAns are tired of is losing.

This lack of no 1 picks is really not true
jordan hill 09
gallinari 08
wilson chandler 07
renaldo balkman 06
mardy collins 06
channing frye 05
david lee 05
michael sweetney 03

Not to mention nate robinson who.was another first rounder they got in a trade.

So from 2003 to 2010 the knicks have had

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7 first rounders albeit mostly shitty ones

Srry about the double posts and spelling

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks have only three players signef through2012 amare, melo and balkman. Walsh is on record as saying that np matter what the new cba is, the knicks will have more cap than most teams in the nba. Walshis also on record as stating that he wanted this deal done and did.not want to risk the chance of losing out on a 26 yr old star.

The only thing knick fAns are tired of is losing.

This lack of no 1 picks is really not true
jordan hill 09
gallinari 08
wilson chandler 07
renaldo balkman 06
mardy collins 06
channing frye 05
david lee 05
michael sweetney 03

Not to mention nate robinson who.was another first rounder they got in a trade.

So from 2003 to 2010 the knicks have had [/quote]

I’m with you man. I’m pulling for the Knicks. That being said, the BIGGEST problem I’m trying to point out is the James Dolan/Isiah Thomas duo is back. Walsh was not even in charge of this last trade; Dolan/Thomas was. If Walsh was, I’m betting he would NOT have given up Galinari.

And I’m also willing to bet that Walsh is out in April by mutual agreement. Dolan is buying Isiah’s shit again, they’re consulting behind closed doors even though Isiah has no official position in the league.

This is the same guy that fucked your team up for the last decade. Walsh came in and made your team what it is today after 3 years. Isiah wants to put his own man in at GM, a puppet that answer to Isiah if Isiah himself can’t get the official title. Dolan hasn’t said a peep about renewing Walsh’s contract in April. And Walsh has already threatened to leave when Isiah got too involved in Knick’s operations. After this last usurping of power during this trade, I don’t think it matters that Dolan isn’t renewing his contract because Walsh will walk anyways.

So basically you have the making of a shit sandwich again. Thank Dolan and Isiah for continued misery in Knicks land. It makes me sad actually. I want to see the Knicks relevant.

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Man…if zeke comes back…i might have to risk my freedom and attempt to assasinate dolan for the betterment of the nba lol

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Holy shit!!!

Deron Williams to the Nets for Devin Harris and Derrick Favors (and Golden State draft picks)

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I dunno… I don’t see a Deron Williams / Brook Lopez tandem being any better than Deron Williams / Al Jefferson / Paul Millsap. No way the Nets are done dealing.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
No way the Nets are done dealing.[/quote]
^^Agreed. I dont know who else they’ll be able to get or go after but I’m sure this is just a piece to the puzzle that they’ve added.

Also, the Lake show looked really good last night. Got a lot of guys contributing (5 guys in double digits scoring and one guys with 9 points)
Hopefully they can keep that going and peak in time for the playoffs.

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At first I hated this deal for the Jazz, but I’ve talked myself into it. Haven’t we seen that the team as currently constructed doesn’t have what it takes? If they’re sure Williams would have left them in 2 years (big disclaimer)… they got a blue chip prospect in Favors and two valuable first rounders (NJ this year, GSW next year).

Obvviously I’d rather keep Williams, but we’ve learned if your star is going to bolt, his trade value is highest when no one else knows.

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Seems like all the league talent is heading East…dammit.

Maybe Sloan will come out of retirement now that Deron is gone :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Seems like all the league talent is heading East…dammit.

Maybe Sloan will come out of retirement now that Deron is gone :stuck_out_tongue:

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I bet Sloan is laughing his ass off right now. He butted heads with Williams, the team/ownership obviously sided with Williams (as evident by Sloans departure) and then weeks later Deron Williams bolts.