[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I thought they could sign CP3 after this season?
If they can sign Paul (i thought it was after this season but maybe I’m mistaken?) then they will be a serious contender in the East next season. This is a rebuilding process for the Knicks not an “add one piece to the puzzle and we’re there” type of a trade (like when the Lakers got Gasol)
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He’s signed (I believe) through 2013, but he has an opt-out clause in summer 2012.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Weak All-Star game. WEAK. Probably one of the most boring in recent years.
There should be a no rule: NO jumpshots. Give us entertainment, for fuck sake. Entertainment = dunks, amazing plays. I don’t want to see boring ass jump shots.
Remember that year when Macgrady threw it off the board to himself for the dunk? Then the momentum of the game changed, and guys started dunking. That’s what should’ve happened.
Some nice plays but overall, a boring game.
I am pissed that I missed the dunk contest. Griffin is an animal but the dunk over the car was stupid; no technical merit to that dunk, just theatrical production.
I have to look for a replay of the contest but don’t know where to look. Everywhere on YouTube has the clips taken down.[/quote]
What?!? I couldn’t disagree with you more. This was one of the more competitive All Star games I’ve seen in recent memory. Actually the whole weekend was one of the best in recent memory. Too bad there’s going to be a lockout next year potentially wiping out next season just when the NBA is becoming really popular again.[/quote]
Give me a break. Are you sure we watched the same game? It looked so lackadaisical (both teams) for much of the game. There was nothing competitive about it except for the last 5 min or so of the game and a few scattered plays overall.
I want to see stuff I don’t normally see in regular season games. This looked like a scrimmage or warmup. They were not playing hard at all. I want to see DUNKS and wicked plays. What happened? Where’d that stuff go? Really lame.
DeRozan’s dunk looked beautiful (saw a clip of his 2nd dunk).
And I highly doubt there’ll be a lockout. It’s just hype to call another’s bluff. They say it every few years.
^They were massive dunks during that game. Did you see the whole game? And to have it that competitive at the end? What more could you ask for being that it was an All-Star game?
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]
Yeah, I think that, but I don’t think Amare could carry the team FOR A SEASON. It’s not about a streak of good ball playing, it’s about how you perform over 80+ games and how you deal with injuries on your team, etc. I want to see Amare really stressed; then, we can tell his true worth. He’s good and he’s been playing well, but I still don’t buy that he could carry NY the whole way. He would definitely need a Melo at least, but even that might not be enough. Of course, chemistry trumps many of these qualities, so we will have to see.
Look at Miami’s bench. Very little depth compared to the starting 5. That’s their issue.
And re: All Star game. I know the team itself isn’t that great, but I would’ve loved to see Monta Ellis playing.
[quote]randman wrote:
^They were massive dunks during that game. Did you see the whole game? And to have it that competitive at the end? What more could you ask for being that it was an All-Star game?[/quote]
I caught it from the end of the 1st and onward. I saw the dunks, but I just wasn’t as impressed as with previous games. It felt a little flat to me overall.
It was competitive but, if you’re going to be competitive, you should be the entire game. I felt like the last 5 minutes was everyone saying, “Ok, fellas, let’s give the audience some real ball playing!”
I don’t know. I still want to see the dunk contest in full.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I thought they could sign CP3 after this season?
If they can sign Paul (i thought it was after this season but maybe I’m mistaken?) then they will be a serious contender in the East next season. This is a rebuilding process for the Knicks not an “add one piece to the puzzle and we’re there” type of a trade (like when the Lakers got Gasol)
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Regarding the Knicks signing ANY more big name players. I think you all have to temper your enthusiasm here. If the league salaries and current CBA were still in place, then yes, the Knicks could sign CP3 or another big name player.
But the current CBA will be blown up this offseason. I wouldn’t be surprised if the NBA went to a hard cap ala NFL and the new CBA will probably make it MUCH harder to trade a big name player from a no name city to one of the 5 or 6 big city teams. The NBA CBA will be MUCH different after this season.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]
I dont think Stoudemire will become disgruntled. I think having Melo there will make them a better team. They’ll win more games and everyone loves a winner. Those two will become the face of a WINNING franchise which will be alot more lucrative than he alone being the face of a mediocre team IMO[/quote]
There’s a few things that I don’t like about this. While Billups is a true professional, you gotta think he’s tired of being moved at this point in his career, and he’s from Denver [who’s traded him TWICE now]. I’m interested to see how he handles it, and at this point he’s only an upgrade over Felton in the playoffs and if his head’s in the right place.
Another is, how are Anthony and Stoudamire gonna play together? They both like the ball in the same places, on the same side of the floor and they both need the ball in their hands. A LOT. But, D’Antoni’s offense can definitely support two big time scorers, so they should be able to figure that out.
My main concern is, who are they gonna stop? Stoudamire is a decent off the ball defender, but he can’t hold his own shadow. Anthony’s in the same boat. Scoring a 120 a game doesn’t mean much if you’re giving up 125.
There’s a lot of questions here.
First off, watching basically unwatchable basketball for the last DECADE as a knick fan you had to do this and you could not leave it up to chance that Melo will opt be a FA after the season as the new cba was a big factor.
A lot of you guys have posted how terrible their D will be, and thats definitely true, but heres a news flash the knicks D was already atrocious, it really could not get worse.
The gave up a lot of good talent…but only ONE had a possible future with the team and thats Gallo. Felton had 2 years here tops, Chandler was not in their plans and is a restricted FA when the season is over. Mozgov is very very raw, but no way a deal breaker.
Now the knicks have 2 of arguably the top 10 players in the league. If Billups remains the player he is and swallows what could be a very good situation for him they will have a three headed monster that is excellent. I know he is not a up tempo type pg but he is an excellent 3pt shooter and a better shooter than felton which bodes well for Dantoni’s system
They also kept what seems to be a hidden secret by many of you guys and that is Landry Fields, a player who quite possibly could have been the ROY this year if it wasnt for griffin. He will give good D, steady shooting and may be the best rebounding guard in the league. With Melo, Stat and Billups as your top three options and fields as your 4th (he generally gives 10 - 15 pts a game) thats very tough to defend. This team becomes a matchup nightmare for most teams.
Yes they are a doughnut, team and that is gonna hurt, but the Knicks will resign Earl Barron who had excellent last quarter of the season with the knicks and has an offensive repetoire, or they may trade for Pryzbilla which would be ideal.
Their bench isnt as awful as many people think, they have Shawnwe Williams who is leading the league in 3plt percentage, Tony Douglass who is a tough defensive player and a streak shooter who can play the 1 or the 2, A good bench swingman in Corey Brewer and you have bangers and hustle players in Balkman (another NY product) and Williams. Thats really not too shabby.
The proof will be how they play on the floor Dantoni only plays 8 guys max, with all the guys they traded they will have more than enough shots to go around.
It will take a good 4 weeks for some order but all in all the knicks had to make this deal…wether they get williams or c3po or not.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Scoring a 120 a game doesn’t mean much if you’re giving up 125.
There’s a lot of questions here.[/quote]
This was my point. They’re going to have to play differently if they’re going to play together.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
First off, watching basically unwatchable basketball for the last DECADE as a knick fan you had to do this and you could not leave it up to chance that Melo will opt be a FA after the season as the new cba was a big factor.
A lot of you guys have posted how terrible their D will be, and thats definitely true, but heres a news flash the knicks D was already atrocious, it really could not get worse.
The gave up a lot of good talent…but only ONE had a possible future with the team and thats Gallo. Felton had 2 years here tops, Chandler was not in their plans and is a restricted FA when the season is over. Mozgov is very very raw, but no way a deal breaker.
Now the knicks have 2 of arguably the top 10 players in the league. If Billups remains the player he is and swallows what could be a very good situation for him they will have a three headed monster that is excellent. I know he is not a up tempo type pg but he is an excellent 3pt shooter and a better shooter than felton which bodes well for Dantoni’s system
They also kept what seems to be a hidden secret by many of you guys and that is Landry Fields, a player who quite possibly could have been the ROY this year if it wasnt for griffin. He will give good D, steady shooting and may be the best rebounding guard in the league. With Melo, Stat and Billups as your top three options and fields as your 4th (he generally gives 10 - 15 pts a game) thats very tough to defend. This team becomes a matchup nightmare for most teams.
Yes they are a doughnut, team and that is gonna hurt, but the Knicks will resign Earl Barron who had excellent last quarter of the season with the knicks and has an offensive repetoire, or they may trade for Pryzbilla which would be ideal.
Their bench isnt as awful as many people think, they have Shawnwe Williams who is leading the league in 3plt percentage, Tony Douglass who is a tough defensive player and a streak shooter who can play the 1 or the 2, A good bench swingman in Corey Brewer and you have bangers and hustle players in Balkman (another NY product) and Williams. Thats really not too shabby.
The proof will be how they play on the floor Dantoni only plays 8 guys max, with all the guys they traded they will have more than enough shots to go around.
It will take a good 4 weeks for some order but all in all the knicks had to make this deal…wether they get williams or c3po or not. [/quote]
Nah, their pick and roll game will be shit now. That was always my concern. The best this team can ever hope to achieve is where the Suns used to be, which is a contender that can’t quite make it to the big show.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
First off, watching basically unwatchable basketball for the last DECADE as a knick fan you had to do this and you could not leave it up to chance that Melo will opt be a FA after the season as the new cba was a big factor.
A lot of you guys have posted how terrible their D will be, and thats definitely true, but heres a news flash the knicks D was already atrocious, it really could not get worse.
The gave up a lot of good talent…but only ONE had a possible future with the team and thats Gallo. Felton had 2 years here tops, Chandler was not in their plans and is a restricted FA when the season is over. Mozgov is very very raw, but no way a deal breaker.
Now the knicks have 2 of arguably the top 10 players in the league. If Billups remains the player he is and swallows what could be a very good situation for him they will have a three headed monster that is excellent. I know he is not a up tempo type pg but he is an excellent 3pt shooter and a better shooter than felton which bodes well for Dantoni’s system
They also kept what seems to be a hidden secret by many of you guys and that is Landry Fields, a player who quite possibly could have been the ROY this year if it wasnt for griffin. He will give good D, steady shooting and may be the best rebounding guard in the league. With Melo, Stat and Billups as your top three options and fields as your 4th (he generally gives 10 - 15 pts a game) thats very tough to defend. This team becomes a matchup nightmare for most teams.
Yes they are a doughnut, team and that is gonna hurt, but the Knicks will resign Earl Barron who had excellent last quarter of the season with the knicks and has an offensive repetoire, or they may trade for Pryzbilla which would be ideal.
Their bench isnt as awful as many people think, they have Shawnwe Williams who is leading the league in 3plt percentage, Tony Douglass who is a tough defensive player and a streak shooter who can play the 1 or the 2, A good bench swingman in Corey Brewer and you have bangers and hustle players in Balkman (another NY product) and Williams. Thats really not too shabby.
The proof will be how they play on the floor Dantoni only plays 8 guys max, with all the guys they traded they will have more than enough shots to go around.
It will take a good 4 weeks for some order but all in all the knicks had to make this deal…wether they get williams or c3po or not. [/quote]
Good post. We shall see. I’d like to see the Knicks do well.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
First off, watching basically unwatchable basketball for the last DECADE as a knick fan you had to do this and you could not leave it up to chance that Melo will opt be a FA after the season as the new cba was a big factor.
A lot of you guys have posted how terrible their D will be, and thats definitely true, but heres a news flash the knicks D was already atrocious, it really could not get worse.
The gave up a lot of good talent…but only ONE had a possible future with the team and thats Gallo. Felton had 2 years here tops, Chandler was not in their plans and is a restricted FA when the season is over. Mozgov is very very raw, but no way a deal breaker.
Now the knicks have 2 of arguably the top 10 players in the league. If Billups remains the player he is and swallows what could be a very good situation for him they will have a three headed monster that is excellent. I know he is not a up tempo type pg but he is an excellent 3pt shooter and a better shooter than felton which bodes well for Dantoni’s system
They also kept what seems to be a hidden secret by many of you guys and that is Landry Fields, a player who quite possibly could have been the ROY this year if it wasnt for griffin. He will give good D, steady shooting and may be the best rebounding guard in the league. With Melo, Stat and Billups as your top three options and fields as your 4th (he generally gives 10 - 15 pts a game) thats very tough to defend. This team becomes a matchup nightmare for most teams.
Yes they are a doughnut, team and that is gonna hurt, but the Knicks will resign Earl Barron who had excellent last quarter of the season with the knicks and has an offensive repetoire, or they may trade for Pryzbilla which would be ideal.
Their bench isnt as awful as many people think, they have Shawnwe Williams who is leading the league in 3plt percentage, Tony Douglass who is a tough defensive player and a streak shooter who can play the 1 or the 2, A good bench swingman in Corey Brewer and you have bangers and hustle players in Balkman (another NY product) and Williams. Thats really not too shabby.
The proof will be how they play on the floor Dantoni only plays 8 guys max, with all the guys they traded they will have more than enough shots to go around.
It will take a good 4 weeks for some order but all in all the knicks had to make this deal…wether they get williams or c3po or not. [/quote]
I think you have not seen Chauncey play this year. Felton was their one average defender, and they are replacing him with Lead Foot Billups…so yes the D can get worse.
Chauncey can hold his own in the post against bigger 2-guards, but against any remotely quick PG he will get smoked every time down the floor.
Also, he doesn’t run the floor, he’s not a pick and roll specialist, and he doesn’t have great vision/passing. He’s the worst type of PG for a D’Antoni system. Maybe they run the offense through Melo, but that would require D’Antoni to make a bunch of changes he’s never made before.
Just cross your fingers CP3 wants to play there (and they will IMO definitely have room under any cap scenario, as Chauncey comes off the books by then and their only two real remaining contracts are Melo/Stoudemire).
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]
Yeah, I think that, but I don’t think Amare could carry the team FOR A SEASON. It’s not about a streak of good ball playing, it’s about how you perform over 80+ games and how you deal with injuries on your team, etc. I want to see Amare really stressed; then, we can tell his true worth. He’s good and he’s been playing well, but I still don’t buy that he could carry NY the whole way. He would definitely need a Melo at least, but even that might not be enough. Of course, chemistry trumps many of these qualities, so we will have to see.
Look at Miami’s bench. Very little depth compared to the starting 5. That’s their issue.
And re: All Star game. I know the team itself isn’t that great, but I would’ve loved to see Monta Ellis playing.[/quote]
I don’t think Amare can either. My point is HE thinks he can. And he wants to.
Edit: Someone pointed out Amare was lobbying for James etc. to sign there. This is absolutely true and I forgot about it. Although I do think he’d think of himself as a tandem with LBJ whereas he prob thinks he’s better than Melo. If Melo gets all the hype and the Knicks aren’t winning 55 games he might get upset.
Maybe, maybe not. Just something to think about.
Man I definitely have my fingers crossed, I have not seen too much of Billups this is true however its not like we are replacing Felton with John Crotty…LOL
Would Gallo fit with the Lakers?
We’ll take any help we can get at this point. LOL.
Do any of you guys see Arenas ever returning to his previous form?
You guys remember Jerry West saying that the Lakers aren’t a fast break team, and the interview with D. Fish about that comment? Classic.
I agree with whoever said the NBA has been fun to watch so far. Some good talent spread out pretty well in the league.
I’m a little upset that D. Rose didn’t light it up when he played the Warriors this month, because he’s my favorite new player to watch, but overall games have been entertaining.
It SUCKS if you’ve been betting, though…some ridiculous upsets.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Do any of you guys see Arenas ever returning to his previous form?[/quote]
Not a chance in hell. Between age, injuries, loss of confidence and teams no longer viewing him as an appreciable asset we’re looking at basically what he’s gonna be for the rest of his career.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Man I definitely have my fingers crossed, I have not seen too much of Billups this is true however its not like we are replacing Felton with John Crotty…LOL
Would Gallo fit with the Lakers?[/quote]
I actually think he would. A talented scorer/shooter who can get his own shot and spreads the floor and keeps the defense honest. He’s basically turned into what everyone thought Adam Morrison would be coming out of Gonzaga. I think he’ll fit in well with Denver, provided they move Al Harrington.
^^ Yeah Flash I was thinking the same thing…Gallo has been great going to the line and he has deadly range he might be that other scorer that LA could use. Also Gallo needs a big city to play, he loved NY because of the international flavor, LA and its metropolitan appeal may be good for him as well. I like Gallo alot and hope he does well, people forget how young he is. From what Ive been reading it looks like his stay in Denver will be very very short