Chauncey Billups running D’Antonis offense is the absolute definition of a square peg in a round hole. Have fun Knicks fans!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
too bad the Knicks couldnt find a way to keep Gallinari (i’m pretty sure that is what was holding the deal up)
they’ll be pretty good now but wont make a serious playoff run IMO[/quote]
WTF! this talent can win it all.[/quote]
I seriously hope you’re joking.[/quote]
Ha, I missed this.
All this talk about the dunk contest and no one’s gonna talk about the John Wall - Blake Griffin bounce pass/reverse dunk/alley oop in the Rookie-Soph game? Come on people.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I am pissed that I missed the dunk contest. Griffin is an animal but the dunk over the car was stupid; no technical merit to that dunk, just theatrical production.
I have to look for a replay of the contest but don’t know where to look. Everywhere on YouTube has the clips taken down.[/quote]
I just watched it yesterday. They were Replaying it on the NBA channel. Try looking on there.
A LOT of the dunks were theatrical this year. The announcers kept referencing Gladiator and saying “win the crowd and win your freedom” which sounded completely idiotic and lame. There were giant flags, church choirs and even one of the guys moms came out greeted all the judges and gave them kisses ok the cheek. It was all very ‘showy’ but then again it was in LA and entertainment is everything.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The Billups thing concerns me, not because he cant play but more because he didnt want to play in NY and did not want to be traded. [/quote]
FWIW it says here that Billups is in the last guaranteed year of his contract:
The year after is a team option, so it seems the Billups issue would only be a problem for the rest of this year, if that.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
All this talk about the dunk contest and no one’s gonna talk about the John Wall - Blake Griffin bounce pass/reverse dunk/alley oop in the Rookie-Soph game? Come on people.[/quote]
nah i’m good you go ahead
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Weak All-Star game. WEAK. Probably one of the most boring in recent years.
There should be a no rule: NO jumpshots. Give us entertainment, for fuck sake. Entertainment = dunks, amazing plays. I don’t want to see boring ass jump shots.
Remember that year when Macgrady threw it off the board to himself for the dunk? Then the momentum of the game changed, and guys started dunking. That’s what should’ve happened.
Some nice plays but overall, a boring game.
I am pissed that I missed the dunk contest. Griffin is an animal but the dunk over the car was stupid; no technical merit to that dunk, just theatrical production.
I have to look for a replay of the contest but don’t know where to look. Everywhere on YouTube has the clips taken down.[/quote]
No way, this was a great All-Star game. Honestly the best part of the game was the fact that for the most part they seemed to actually be playing and competing. There were enough good plays [especially with LeBron and Kobe] either way.
When the game got close towards the end that was way better than any stretch of highlights.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
All this talk about the dunk contest and no one’s gonna talk about the John Wall - Blake Griffin bounce pass/reverse dunk/alley oop in the Rookie-Soph game? Come on people.[/quote]
nah i’m good you go ahead[/quote]
It pretty much speaks for itself: - YouTube
[quote]nomorewar wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
too bad the Knicks couldnt find a way to keep Gallinari (i’m pretty sure that is what was holding the deal up)
they’ll be pretty good now but wont make a serious playoff run IMO[/quote]
WTF! this talent can win it all.[/quote]
Umm…no. They are still about the 4th best team in the league. They just gave up 3 players that score over 50 + ppg. Yes, Anthony is an elite scorer. Billups has championship experience but is 34 years old. If they use they’re #1 pick next year carefully and get a veteran or two along the way in the next couple of years they can compete with the Heat et al. Also, no one on that team plays defense. Not Anthony, not Stoudemire, not anyone.
This talent can win it all right now??? Ha ha ha ha. Some of you guys are so far off on your ability to analyze NBA deals. I can not believe you just typed these words.
[quote]gregron wrote:
too bad the Knicks couldnt find a way to keep Gallinari (i’m pretty sure that is what was holding the deal up)
they’ll be pretty good now but wont make a serious playoff run IMO[/quote]
I agree. They didn’t NEED to give up Gallinari. If Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss were making the deal they would not have given him up. Dolan is a freaking idiot. He just wants to win whatever (a trade, a gamble, etc) at all costs. They didn’t realize that the Knicks had all the leverage. Anthony was not going to sign with the Nets. Dolan flew to Denver the night before, spoke with Anthony and then said, F*ck it, let’s throw in Gallinari. He probably got the advice from the phantom GM, Isiah “the idiot” Thomas.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Chauncey Billups running D’Antonis offense is the absolute definition of a square peg in a round hole. Have fun Knicks fans![/quote]
Couldn’t agree more.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Weak All-Star game. WEAK. Probably one of the most boring in recent years.
There should be a no rule: NO jumpshots. Give us entertainment, for fuck sake. Entertainment = dunks, amazing plays. I don’t want to see boring ass jump shots.
Remember that year when Macgrady threw it off the board to himself for the dunk? Then the momentum of the game changed, and guys started dunking. That’s what should’ve happened.
Some nice plays but overall, a boring game.
I am pissed that I missed the dunk contest. Griffin is an animal but the dunk over the car was stupid; no technical merit to that dunk, just theatrical production.
I have to look for a replay of the contest but don’t know where to look. Everywhere on YouTube has the clips taken down.[/quote]
What?!? I couldn’t disagree with you more. This was one of the more competitive All Star games I’ve seen in recent memory. Actually the whole weekend was one of the best in recent memory. Too bad there’s going to be a lockout next year potentially wiping out next season just when the NBA is becoming really popular again.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Weak All-Star game. WEAK. Probably one of the most boring in recent years.
There should be a no rule: NO jumpshots. Give us entertainment, for fuck sake. Entertainment = dunks, amazing plays. I don’t want to see boring ass jump shots.
Remember that year when Macgrady threw it off the board to himself for the dunk? Then the momentum of the game changed, and guys started dunking. That’s what should’ve happened.
Some nice plays but overall, a boring game.
I am pissed that I missed the dunk contest. Griffin is an animal but the dunk over the car was stupid; no technical merit to that dunk, just theatrical production.
I have to look for a replay of the contest but don’t know where to look. Everywhere on YouTube has the clips taken down.[/quote]
What?!? I couldn’t disagree with you more. This was one of the more competitive All Star games I’ve seen in recent memory. Actually the whole weekend was one of the best in recent memory. Too bad there’s going to be a lockout next year potentially wiping out next season just when the NBA is becoming really popular again.[/quote]
Totally agree. Best dunk contest in a while despite the fact the LA crowd gave the title to Griffin (DeRozan said afterwards he’s never doing a dunk contest again outside of Toronto haha), an all-star game where some of the biggest stars were actually trying to win the game in the final minutes.
I feel like there are actually some palpable hatreds in the NBA again, which makes games a lot more exciting.
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy
I dont think anyone believes at this point believes they are better at this point than boston miami orlando and even chicago…however I wouldnt be going out on a limb in saying they may be onthe hawks level and depending on how long the meshing takes between the new players they couldnt give orl and chicago a run for their money. The knicks even beforethetrade gave chicago and boston fits
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]
I dont think Stoudemire will become disgruntled. I think having Melo there will make them a better team. They’ll win more games and everyone loves a winner. Those two will become the face of a WINNING franchise which will be alot more lucrative than he alone being the face of a mediocre team IMO
Stoudemaire went to New York with the idea that he would be used as bait for LeBron or Wade. He may have gotten used to being the man in NY this year, but I’m sure he’d be alright with giving up the spotlight, or at least sharing it. Miami has shown that it’s possible to have two guys scoring 25+ a game on one time, and to a lesser extent Carmelo was already in a similar situation in Denver when AI went there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Side note on the Melo trade: Anyone else think Stoudemire might become disgruntled? I’m pretty sure part of the reason he went to NY was to be THE MAN in the biggest city in the world, and now he’s already relegated to the role of 2nd best scorer on the team.
And anyone who thinks Melo/Billups/Stoudemire/Schmoe1/Schmoe2 cracks the top 4 in the East is crazy[/quote]
I dont think Stoudemire will become disgruntled. I think having Melo there will make them a better team. They’ll win more games and everyone loves a winner. Those two will become the face of a WINNING franchise which will be alot more lucrative than he alone being the face of a mediocre team IMO[/quote]
This makes sense to a LOGICAL person but may not make sense to Stoudemire. I’ve heard many places he thinks he’s like a top-5 NBA player (though I think it’s good to have that confidence), and as we saw he left Phoenix, he obviously wants other people to think he’s a superstar as well.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I dont think anyone believes at this point believes they are better at this point than boston miami orlando and even chicago…however I wouldnt be going out on a limb in saying they may be onthe hawks level and depending on how long the meshing takes between the new players they couldnt give orl and chicago a run for their money. The knicks even beforethetrade gave chicago and boston fits[/quote]
If they sign CP3 in 2 years they’ll be legit. But as of now… Billups is just not that good, and I can’t even name who their other two starters will be. Do they start Ronny Turiaf at the 5? Egads.
It takes 5 to win (unless your top two are in top-5 NBA players like Wade/LBJ… which Melo/Stoudemire are not). I think this trade puts them about on par with the Hawks, but this Knicks team also has the chance to be a uniquely atrocious defensive team.
^^I thought they could sign CP3 after this season?
If they can sign Paul (i thought it was after this season but maybe I’m mistaken?) then they will be a serious contender in the East next season. This is a rebuilding process for the Knicks not an “add one piece to the puzzle and we’re there” type of a trade (like when the Lakers got Gasol)