[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Congrats bro! I started at 150 lbs myself (20 years old, 5’9), and 180 was the first milestone. I honestly never thought I’d break the ‘2’ barrier. I will note though, that once you’re there, the worry about going under will freak you out big time!
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I can imagine.
Luckily for your shorter guys, you see the changes somewhat faster. I mean… I’m bloody 6’5.
Ah well, if I gain 80lbs in 2 years, nobody can complain about that anyway.
congrats
At 5’8" 190+/-, I too am pushing hard for that 200. But after that of course is 210, 220…and so on. Still a good milestone, good job hitting it bro.
[quote] JJ wrote:
Sorry - but those of you above my height at 5’8" who are claiming to be 200lbs and happy - WTF? That is the equivalent of me coming here and posting “Woohoo! i hit 170!!”
It is not the same - you cannot compare 5’9" and above at 200lbs to shorter lads. There is a good 10lb difference!
lmfao![/quote]
I must have missed the post where someone said “Ya I hit 200 good thing I look so much bigger than JJ and other people that weight the same but are shorter than me.”
I can’t believe you would make a post like that for the sole purpose of raining on someone’s parade for reaching a weight plateau that is often mentioned as the point people 6’ and under start to look “built.”
What if he carries his muscle extremely well(1morerep) and blows you away right now? Or, what if he just doesn’t give a shit, and is happy for a legitimate gain in weight. He didn’t say “stopping here because I look bigger than you lol.”
Probably one of the bigger douchebag posts I’ve seen on this site ever. Get over yourself.
[quote]red04 wrote:
JJ wrote:
Sorry - but those of you above my height at 5’8" who are claiming to be 200lbs and happy - WTF? That is the equivalent of me coming here and posting “Woohoo! i hit 170!!”
It is not the same - you cannot compare 5’9" and above at 200lbs to shorter lads. There is a good 10lb difference!
lmfao!
I must have missed the post where someone said “Ya I hit 200 good thing I look so much bigger than JJ and other people that weight the same but are shorter than me.”
I can’t believe you would make a post like that for the sole purpose of raining on someone’s parade for reaching a weight plateau that is often mentioned as the point people 6’ and under start to look “built.”
What if he carries his muscle extremely well(1morerep) and blows you away right now? Or, what if he just doesn’t give a shit, and is happy for a legitimate gain in weight. He didn’t say “stopping here because I look bigger than you lol.”
Probably one of the bigger douchebag posts I’ve seen on this site ever. Get over yourself.[/quote]
I am not on about the OP, i didnt know how tall he is. I wasnt on about any specific person actually, just the fact that all of a sudden many people are going “ya i hit 200!” and “Me too!” and the like and i was saying that if some of those who are 6 foot and just hit 200lbs… then that doesnt count imo, as that will look nothing like someone of my height at 200lbs.
Maybe “5’9” and above" is a bit harsh though, that i will concede!
I am not 200lbs and i am well aware that i am not king of all physiques! You assumed my point of view and got it wrong.
Joe
[quote] JJ wrote:
if some of those who are 6 foot and just hit 200lbs… then that doesnt count imo,
Joe[/quote]
Setting a goal and reaching it always “counts”.
Absolutely! I am talking about something else however.
JJ,
I see what you're saying but the OP never said "oh damn I look hyoooj I'm 200!". REGARDLESS of your height, to hit the 200 lbs mark whether you're 5'6" or 6'5" is a milestone, and in my book, sure as hell counts.
Sure, for someone of a smaller stature, you will look bigger, but 200 pounds is still 200 pounds.
I’m 6’3" and probably won’t look built until 230 or so.
I’m just really exited that I gained 50lbs since I started, that was my goal from the beginning. I have a feeling that the next 50lbs won’t be so easy… 
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
JJ,
I see what you're saying but the OP never said "oh damn I look hyoooj I'm 200!". REGARDLESS of your height, to hit the 200 lbs mark whether you're 5'6" or 6'5" is a milestone, and in my book, sure as hell counts.
Sure, for someone of a smaller stature, you will look bigger, but 200 pounds is still 200 pounds.[/quote]
I dont mean how he looks either, and certainly not in comparison to me, if i came across like that it is truly not my intention.
Just that the work to get to 200lbs from a 5'7" perspective is one hell of alot more work than it is for a 7' athlete.. thats all
I admit the first post was in-sensitive and if i did offend the OP then i apologise, it wasnt meant for him… more those who really have made so little progress and hanging on the tailcoats of those who have…
both weighing the same is no achievement IMO, not when it could be a gain of 10lbs compared to 50lbs. Sure 10lbs is an achievement but not the same achievement.
If someone at 6’ gets to 240 it will look impressive, someone 5 foot gets to 240… shit…!
I just think in this “forum” (not forum, but type of place of communication…) it is not really relevant for 2 people to claim the same accolade at reaching the same weight when for one it may be a fat gain of 10lbs and the other it is a lean mass gain of 50lbs!
That is what pissed me off, and it was the result of a while of distain about some people claiming to be something they really, really are not. Placing THEMSELVES in certain categories that they simply do not belong.
Whatever i am, small, fat, a wanker… whatever, i am not pretending to be anything i am not. Whatever i have i am proud of as i have fought tooth and nail to get here, harder than most of that i am sure - and i would not beef up my stats to make myself more than i am as i am proud of each ounce.
Teling of your achievement of reaching the same goal as the OP when you had 1/2 the work to do to achieve it and claiming some of the “glory” is “beefing” up stats IMO.
I am a fair guy, i understand that any achievement is to be celebrated - but only for what it is, not celebrated as something more than it really is.
I respect many, many posters here - bigger and smaller than me, fatter and thinner, but those who are genuine in their achievements and honest with themselves.
I was not having a go at the OP at all. Honest.
That is probably what i MEANT to say.
JJ
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
I’m 6’3" and probably won’t look built until 230 or so.
I’m just really exited that I gained 50lbs since I started, that was my goal from the beginning. I have a feeling that the next 50lbs won’t be so easy… :)[/quote]
Well in that case (and believe me i wasnt posting in relation to your posts… really) it isnt in the height of a guy, but the amount gained to get to the 200lb mark… 50lbs is by no means a small achievement, it is a great achievement, and you are 10lbs above me!
Well done again liftsmart, 
The intentions of your posts were clear to me.
Thanks!
I feel ya, man! I started off at 170 and I remember how long it took me to beat my 195 plateau. When I finally broke 200, I was so damn delighted. Once I passed that, I stacked on 22 more pounds pretty easily with the right diet. Hope the same for you. Awesome job, dude!!
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
I weighed myself this morning and for the first time in my life I weigh 200lbs.
I started at 150, I’m now 200 with a decent bf%. Fuck yes.
Next step…250. (And about 3x stronger than I am now
Good luck with your goals everyone.[/quote]
what methods (diet and exercise wise) did you use to get there?
[quote]forbes wrote:
LiftSmart wrote:
I weighed myself this morning and for the first time in my life I weigh 200lbs.
I started at 150, I’m now 200 with a decent bf%. Fuck yes.
Next step…250. (And about 3x stronger than I am now
Good luck with your goals everyone.
what methods (diet and exercise wise) did you use to get there?[/quote]
You had your thread and shit on it. Now go lift forbey.
You had your thread and shit on it. Now go lift forbey.[/quote]
is there anything wrong with me asking? and what makes you say i dont lift? sure, you’ll say “cuz if you lifted, you wouldn’t be so light”. but ever think that i just didn’t eat enough to fuel growth?
get off my fucking case already!
[quote]forbes wrote:
what methods (diet and exercise wise) did you use to get there?[/quote]
Ate a lot (6500 calorie average daily) of whole eggs, whole milk, beef, chicken, cruciferous veggies, fruits/berries, walnuts and pumpkin seeds. I had no desire for ‘cheat’ days so I ate the same food everyday.
Supplements used are: Fish oil, a multi-glandular pill containing freeze dried bovine organs and whey.
I made sure to eat tons of protein and simple carbs after lifting. Whey, eggs, bananas and glucose tablets immediately after followed by meat and potatoes a short while later.
Before bed I ate cottage cheese, peanut butter and fish oil.
At first I did an upper/lower (3x10-12) split and made fast beginner gains. As these slowed I chose to adopt a more strength oriented approach and did 5x5 with continual progression.
End result was a 50lb gain (My waist gained 2 fat inches) and a doubling in strength. (Since I was so absurdly weak to begin with I’m still not strong at all.)
It should be noted though that I finished my major (height) growth spurt just as I started lifting so some of my muscular gains are likely due to my body maturing and filling out. (Theres no way in hell I gained 30+lbs of muscle in under a year with training alone.)
Keep at it.
[quote]LiftSmart wrote:
forbes wrote:
what methods (diet and exercise wise) did you use to get there?
Ate a lot (6500 calorie average daily) of whole eggs, whole milk, beef, chicken, cruciferous veggies, fruits/berries, walnuts and pumpkin seeds. I had no desire for ‘cheat’ days so I ate the same food everyday.
Supplements used are: Fish oil, a multi-glandular pill containing freeze dried bovine organs and whey.
I made sure to eat tons of protein and simple carbs after lifting. Whey, eggs, bananas and glucose tablets immediately after followed by meat and potatoes a short while later.
Before bed I ate cottage cheese, peanut butter and fish oil.
At first I did an upper/lower (3x10-12) split and made fast beginner gains. As these slowed I chose to adopt a more strength oriented approach and did 5x5 with continual progression.
End result was a 50lb gain (My waist gained 2 fat inches) and a doubling in strength. (Since I was so absurdly weak to begin with I’m still not strong at all.)
It should be noted though that I finished my major (height) growth spurt just as I started lifting so some of my muscular gains are likely due to my body maturing and filling out. (Theres no way in hell I gained 30+lbs of muscle in under a year with training alone.)
Keep at it.
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As a beginner the main “strength” gains are not that at all… but proprioception improvement. Which is why such massive gains can be made in such a short time.
This doesnt lessen your achievement, i read you post and think - “here is someone who is doing well, and they have implemented a decent plan and are sticking to it” you started on the correct type of program, progressed naturally and are eating a clean bulking diet - the one thing i notice is the amount of calories you eat. I have never eaten that amount of calories to get to my size… maybe 4000 as a max.
I know you are much taller than me but you’re skinnier too so a similar weight 190lbs-200lbs.
I suggest you MAY be able to gain without that much fat gain.
i am definitely one of the more conservative bulkers though, i personally dont think it is worth 10lbs of muscle for an inch of fat, when i can gain 20-30lbs with an inch of fat.
Sure it takes longer, but bodybuilding is about looking good (albeit for a specific moment, not year round, but i personally do not believe that anyone needs to get fat to gain muscle) - and i never will need to go above 14% bodyfat to gain hopefully.
Its not the abs per se, but the overall shape and condition i like to maintain/improve without back-pedalling (i would lose too much having to diet from 20%).
I am not saying gaining more fat for muscle is wrong, just that the advice on calories from me comes from my standpoint, which may be different to yours, so may not suit you.
i thought it fair to fill you in on my “musclebuilding ethics” if i am giving you my views too…!
JJ
Soon after posting this thread I came to the same conclusion as you JJ.
I’m eating 4000 a day now and am trying to get to 10-12% and maintain it while gaining muscle. Minimal fat gain will be acceptable. I’m following CT’s “The Truth About Bulking” advice.
Can’t wait to get vascular.