2008 Depression


Denmark Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency, U.S. depression

Denmark based Saxo Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency in 2008. According to Pravda.Ru, the bank predicts Paul will be the next president and that the U.S. economy will plunge into a depression prior to the election.

Saxo Bank says the U.S. economy will shrink by 25% and the Chinese economy will decrease by 40%. The economic downturn will come about as a result of the housing crash.

Ron Paul has been critical of the Federal Reserve and has blamed the Federal Reserve for causing the real estate bubble and crash. Paul has said that the loose monetary policy of the Fed had artificially inflated real estate prices which lead to the collapse.

Paul supports ‘Sound Money’ and opposes the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ and says that he wants to prevent a dollar collapse. On December 16th grass roots activists organized an online protest of the ‘Inflation Tax’ and donated a record 6 million dollars to Paul’s campaign in one day.

Paul now leads all Republicans in fundraising and is best positioned to win the GOP nomination. His campaign is already financed through Feb 5th when 22 states hold primaries.

Paul also advocates the elimination of federal income taxes and a non interventionist foreign policy and is an advocate of protecting the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution. Paul has maintained that U.S. foreign policy was bankrupting the country.

Saxo Bank also predicts $175 a barrel for oil and the price of grain will double. Some have predicted that oil will climb to $250 a barrel if the U.S. attacks Iran. The bank also predicts that 30% of large building companies will go bankrupt

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=210132

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Denmark Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency, U.S. depression

Denmark based Saxo Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency in 2008. According to Pravda.Ru, the bank predicts Paul will be the next president and that the U.S. economy will plunge into a depression prior to the election.

Saxo Bank says the U.S. economy will shrink by 25% and the Chinese economy will decrease by 40%. The economic downturn will come about as a result of the housing crash.

Ron Paul has been critical of the Federal Reserve and has blamed the Federal Reserve for causing the real estate bubble and crash. Paul has said that the loose monetary policy of the Fed had artificially inflated real estate prices which lead to the collapse.

Paul supports ‘Sound Money’ and opposes the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ and says that he wants to prevent a dollar collapse. On December 16th grass roots activists organized an online protest of the ‘Inflation Tax’ and donated a record 6 million dollars to Paul’s campaign in one day.

Paul now leads all Republicans in fundraising and is best positioned to win the GOP nomination. His campaign is already financed through Feb 5th when 22 states hold primaries.

Paul also advocates the elimination of federal income taxes and a non interventionist foreign policy and is an advocate of protecting the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution. Paul has maintained that U.S. foreign policy was bankrupting the country.

Saxo Bank also predicts $175 a barrel for oil and the price of grain will double. Some have predicted that oil will climb to $250 a barrel if the U.S. attacks Iran. The bank also predicts that 30% of large building companies will go bankrupt

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=210132

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  1. Funny, the Saxo Bank website doesn’t announce this…
  2. “There is no news in Izvestia, and no truth in Pravda.”
    Times do not change. And do you really need to go all the way to Pravda to find bad news about the USA?
  3. Of course, what do we need at a time of recession or depression? Why, contracting credit, and hard money and the gold standard! Just ask Stanley Baldwin and Herbert Hoover…and Ron Paul!

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Denmark Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency, U.S. depression

Denmark based Saxo Bank predicts Ron Paul presidency in 2008. According to Pravda.Ru, the bank predicts Paul will be the next president and that the U.S. economy will plunge into a depression prior to the election.

Saxo Bank says the U.S. economy will shrink by 25% and the Chinese economy will decrease by 40%. The economic downturn will come about as a result of the housing crash.

Ron Paul has been critical of the Federal Reserve and has blamed the Federal Reserve for causing the real estate bubble and crash. Paul has said that the loose monetary policy of the Fed had artificially inflated real estate prices which lead to the collapse.

Paul supports ‘Sound Money’ and opposes the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ and says that he wants to prevent a dollar collapse. On December 16th grass roots activists organized an online protest of the ‘Inflation Tax’ and donated a record 6 million dollars to Paul’s campaign in one day.

Paul now leads all Republicans in fundraising and is best positioned to win the GOP nomination. His campaign is already financed through Feb 5th when 22 states hold primaries.

Paul also advocates the elimination of federal income taxes and a non interventionist foreign policy and is an advocate of protecting the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution. Paul has maintained that U.S. foreign policy was bankrupting the country.

Saxo Bank also predicts $175 a barrel for oil and the price of grain will double. Some have predicted that oil will climb to $250 a barrel if the U.S. attacks Iran. The bank also predicts that 30% of large building companies will go bankrupt

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=210132

  1. Funny, the Saxo Bank website doesn’t announce this…
  2. “There is no news in Izvestia, and no truth in Pravda.”
    Times do not change. And do you really need to go all the way to Pravda to find bad news about the USA?
  3. Of course, what do we need at a time of recession or depression? Why, contracting credit, and hard money and the gold standard! Just ask Stanley Baldwin and Herbert Hoover…and Ron Paul!
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We need, right now, to begin printing huge quantities of fiat money. That’s the way to cure any depression. Just ask Dr. Schacht! He can then help finance what comes later…

Keep buying that gold, HH. Oil just hit 100$.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7168664.stm

[quote]lixy wrote:
Keep buying that gold, HH. Oil just hit 100$.

BBC NEWS | Business | Oil price at record $100 a barrel [/quote]

“I always bet on the human spirit…and I always sell short.”
— Ellsworth Toohey, in The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand

I’m sorry to say that I make money from disasters and evil people. I bought defense stock on the morning it opened after 9/11. I bought gold stocks when gold was at $270. I’ve been buying oil services and oil stocks for years.

Things look very bad now, even for defense stocks. They’ve had a helluva run. Oil stocks are pretty highly valued too.

Buy bags of junk silver coins and lock 'em up in a bank vault. If what I think is going to happen actually happens, you’ll be one of the few with money.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
We need, right now, to begin printing huge quantities of fiat money. That’s the way to cure any depression. Just ask Dr. Schacht! He can then help finance what comes later…[/quote]

The President buys everyone a puppy!

…right? :frowning:

…wait… why the fuck is a bank in Denmark of all places predicting an impossible American presidential election and an American economic depression to follow… ?

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I just read the part about $175-$250/barrel oil prices.

As an Alberta resident, I highly approve of this. Push them crude prices higher! Yeeeeeeee-haw!

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
I just read the part about $175-$250/barrel oil prices.

As an Alberta resident, I highly approve of this. Push them crude prices higher! Yeeeeeeee-haw![/quote]

…and cause a global depression, with hunger and deprivation, and old people freezing in their homes.

You’re an idiot.

Damn. If a person didn’t know any better they’d say you lack a sense of humour.

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Damn. If a person didn’t know any better they’d say you lack a sense of humour.[/quote]

Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people. [/quote]

Says the guy who advocates nuking the “coakroaches” and turning Iran into a land “where the buffalo roam”.

Hypocrite.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people.

Says the guy who advocates nuking the “coakroaches” and turning Iran into a land “where the buffalo roam”.

Hypocrite.[/quote]

I hope you had a mirror handy when you wrote that.

[i]lixy wrote:
I guess you haven’t yet heard about the suicide bomber who killed 31 people today. The bomber struck at the funeral of a guy who got blown up Friday by a car bomb.

I’m very ashamed to admit it, but I chuckled when reading the story. How often does one come across such delicious irony?[/i]

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people.

Says the guy who advocates nuking the “coakroaches” and turning Iran into a land “where the buffalo roam”.

Hypocrite.

I hope you had a mirror handy when you wrote that.

[i]lixy wrote:
I guess you haven’t yet heard about the suicide bomber who killed 31 people today. The bomber struck at the funeral of a guy who got blown up Friday by a car bomb.

I’m very ashamed to admit it, but I chuckled when reading the story. How often does one come across such delicious irony?[/i]

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Hardly, because he neither killed them nor wished for anybody to kill them.

Those not so subtle nuances do make a difference, you know?


I can’t believe anyone takes this seriously at all.

First of all I think Ron Paul would have to achieve something nobody else ever has, win the presidency when he currently has only 4% support. Possible? Yes, but its also possible the sun will burn out tomorrow, or go nova. But I would bet against it, with 1000:1 odds too. And yes he had 2 wonderful days with tremendous donations, but is still blown away by the other candidates.

Now as far as depression, also unlikely. I do expect a recession may be underway. Once they report we are officially in a recession, it will be over. There were plenty of reasons for the depression of the 30’s. 10% stock market margins, banks investing in stocks, and then they were able to call their mortgages due at any time.

Rules have been put into place to prevent things like this. It doesn’t mean there is no possibility of a depression, but I don’t see one headed our way.

The mention of the “housing crash” is total crap. The housing market was overpriced, and the market corrected, and is now about where it should be. Also if you could afford the mortgage before the price of houses went down, why couldn’t you after? That stupid car you drive drops like a rock after you buy it, but your payment does not go up.

Currently the mortgage market that is having problems is the secondary market. If you don’t understand what this market is, its the market for people who can’t afford a regular mortgage, so they get a mortgage with an even bigger interest rate, and bigger payment. (Does this make sense to anyone?) If you loan money to people who already have a hard time paying their bills, what do you expect would happen?

I am not for a government paid bailout on this. It needs to be stated that any bailout is not for the people with mortgage problems, it is for the businesses. Don’t fool yourself. But these mortgage companies took the risk, and should have to live with the results.

The next item on the agenda, (is there an agenda?) is oil. $100 a barrel oil is annoying. But is still not as high as it has been, when adjusted for inflation.

It is also overpriced. There was the “surprise” of India, and China improving their economies radically, and the market was not prepared for that. 2004 also produced a shocking 4% jump in demand. Other then that year, its been less then 1.5% a year. (Trying to remember the information I read a few months back.) This sudden increase in demand has pushed prices up, with a compounding problem of speculators. Oil suddenly looked like easy money, so the crazy investors helped jump on the bandwagon, adding to the oil cost. These types of investors will scurry away the second oil starts dropping.

The last estimate I read was that oil was priced about $30 above what it should be based on market conditions. (It was low 90’s then.) And this combined with Mid-East insecurities, keeps prices higher then they should be.

The way Iraq is going right now, I expect a draw down in troops this year, which will start the oil slide, barring some big news event. (Any excuse.)

If oil was to rise as high as this fantasy article says, it will push us into a recession, and that alone will cause oil to plunge. (Actually it will happen before $175 barrel oil, so that number will not be seen.)

The reaction to a recession would be to drop interest rates, which keeps our dollar low, so expect the dollar to keep dropping for now. Once a recession is over I see rates climbing a little faster. (Refinance now, or soon, and do not go for that stupid ARM.)

Also lets get away from this idea of a gold backed dollar. Some argue that the gold backed money of the depression era actually prevented the Fed from doing more then it could have, and increased and deepened the depression.

Right now, many things represent dollars. If you believe in gold, then buy gold, and simply sell it when you want to spend your money. But you could also hold stock in corporations. Which is actually better. Gold just sits around doing nothing, while a stock has value, and produces a profit at the same time.

The mistake is looking for security. And if you follow the investments of people who look for security, they always fail. Maybe they don’t lose as much as the people who treat the stock market as a casino, but then again they will never have anything in the first place.

Also if gold is so great, invest in the gold mines. When gold goes up, they climb right along. And if gold drops, they still make money. (Or is it gold?)

The key is you really do not want your money as money. You want it somewhere else doing something for you, and that is never the dollar, that is something else where the dollar is only representing the value of the stock or item. Don’t get stuck on the idea that money is only paper, or only gold. Just look at the air. Separate out the hydrogen and oxygen, cool it, and you have rocket fuel.

I have been long winded on this, so let me add little more wind.

Oil recently hit $100 per barrel. And that breaks a psychological barrier, letting investors push it even higher, so I believe its possible that we might see it temporarily go above $100.

One of the reasons was a 4 billion barrel drop in crude inventory, which is higher then expected. (1.7 was expected.) But this weekly report has always annoyed me. A couple tankers run a little late, and the oil shows a nice drop this week, making news. But the next week the oil shows up, and isn’t as big of news.

Also there are plenty of reasons for oil stockpiles to drop. With an all time high, the people who stockpile oil buy less oil, letting their supply intentionally drop. They do this because the price is high, and they are simply waiting for the price to go down. Not to mention they are selling off the oil they bought at a lower price, and avoiding the higher price.

Heating oil and diesel fuel rose by 600k barrels, and gas by 1.9 million barrels. (.6 m greater then they expected.) But this is exactly what I am saying about the weekly numbers. That extra 600k gas was possibly on ships, or from refineries that were running late enough to push it to this week. In fact prices dropped $0.44, instead of increasing.

If we do hit a recession, it would have a big effect on oil because oil production is ramping up, while a recession would depress demand, giving oil a chance to catch up.

If you want cheaper oil, go for the recession. If you want to avoid a recession, expect the prices to take longer to drop.

One more thing, watch the car market over the next 10 years. Especially if lithium-ion batteries drop in price.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people.

Says the guy who advocates nuking the “coakroaches” and turning Iran into a land “where the buffalo roam”.

Hypocrite.[/quote]

Wiping out evil people before they attack Israel or for sending weapons to kill Americans in Iraq is not the same as to what I was referring.

Your cell leader needs to send you for more training.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wiping out evil people before they attack Israel or for sending weapons to kill Americans in Iraq is not the same as to what I was referring. [/quote]

The Iranians are “evil people” now?

Stop worrying about Israel. They could eat Iranians for breakfast.

Just to make sure I understand your logic: Would you have been Ok with somebody attacking the US in 2003 before they attack Iraq? Seriously, I want to find out how you reconcile that blatant double-standard with the real world.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Destitution, poverty, dying because an old person can’t afford to heat their home (basically caused by the environmentalists) are hardly subjects for humor, among civilised people.[/quote]

In this scenario, the high oil and gas prices are caused by a US invasion of Iran… and you would blame environmentalists?

That’s a little twisted.

At the very least we all deserve a good kick in the teeth for being so reliant on one limited resource. It’ll be good economic incentive to switch to alcool and build windmill farms and solar fields. Increased use of renewables means remaining oil reserves will last even longer! Look on the bright side!

As for humour, most everything is fair game except the Holocaust and 9/11. Aren’t you the one who invested heavily in oil and war companies after 9/11? Don’t tell me you don’t grin a little when you check up on your investment returns. The thought crosses your mind. Admit it. “Damn, I’m clever!”

Oil crises turn this province into a gold mine That means new roads, better infrastructure, lower taxes, and jobs galore because somebody, somewhere, is buying that oil. If America invades Iran, and seeing as we’re the top supplier of oil to the American military, we will see prosperity even in the face of a depression in our trading partners.

Forgive me if the global suffering won’t constantly be weighing on my heart and conscience. Humour is good for the soul. Dwelling on all the tragedies of the world you can’t do anything about is not. You don’t drop to your knees and cry for the homeless when you get a raise and buy a new house.

Then again my family’s humour comes from the Ukraine, where generations of famine, war, revolution and genocide lend to what some would call “dark” humour. If you can’t laugh while you’re starving, diseased, and the Russians have murdered 20 million of your people, you’re really not going to make it.

Sick Ukrainian humour: It’s genetic. ;D

Although I can see your point. If you’re that worried about it, my suggestion is to not invade Iran.

ElbowStrike

[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wiping out evil people before they attack Israel or for sending weapons to kill Americans in Iraq is not the same as to what I was referring.

The Iranians are “evil people” now?

Stop worrying about Israel. They could eat Iranians for breakfast.

Just to make sure I understand your logic: Would you have been Ok with somebody attacking the US in 2003 before they attack Iraq? Seriously, I want to find out how you reconcile that blatant double-standard with the real world.[/quote]

If the rest of the world judges us by our leaders, why can’t we judge the rest of the world by their leaders?

Achmanijihad, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jung-Il, and all the rest of those shiteaters need to die.

If the leaders are evil (using the world’s logic), then Iranians, Zimbabweans, on and on are evil.

Iranians could not stand the Shah’s trying to industrialize Iran. They wanted Ayatollah Khoumeini and to allow torturing Americans in an embassy.

Let the buffalo roam…