“BAGHDAD - Blood-splotches on walls, chains hanging from a ceiling and swords on the killing floor �?? the artifacts left a disturbing tale of brutalities inside a suspected al-Qaida in Iraq torture chamber. But there was yet another chilling fact outside the dirt-floor dungeon. Villagers say they knew about the torment but were too intimidated by extremists to tell authorities until now…”
Kinda puts a different spin on the ‘waterboarding is torture’ discussion, doesn’t it?
WOW, after all this time spent listening to Lixy, I was always under the impression that al-Qaida was a non-profit organizational branch for the Make-A-Wish foundation. Well, at least they have have a Toys-For-Tots dropbox in front of their cave entrance.
Wait, I’m sorry, is this a US operated torture chamber or a terrorist operated torture chamber? I get the torturers mixed up.
Torture is so “in” this decade, the Geneva Convention is soo 1990s.
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
…
[/quote]
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
YEAH! Take that Sinister.
You tell him Lixy.
America = Al-Qaeda
[quote]dk44 wrote:
YEAH! Take that Sinister.
You tell him Lixy.
America = Al-Qaeda[/quote]
Way to completely misinterpret what Lixy said. You have an Arkansas education though, I’m not surprised.
[quote]lixy wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:
…
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.[/quote]
Not to say they may not have flourished elsewhere, like US soil.
YEAH! Fuck Arkansas!
[quote]dk44 wrote:
YEAH! Fuck Arkansas![/quote]
Fuck yeah!!
I’m glad we’re on the same page here. I take back my rude comments, you’re alright.
[quote]lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.[/quote]
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
[/quote]
So your answer to torture is to use torture. That’s brilliant, really, absolutly genius.
The United States is supposed to be above such brutal actions. Why is that when the Muslims do it, it’s barbaric savagery, but when the US participates it’s just something we have to do? You want to make our murder and our torture methods an acceptable evil that we have no choice but to engage in. You’re attempting to justify torture, do you even think about that at all or do you just let the drivel slip out? That’s ludicrous. That’s insanity. That’s evil. That’s terror. That’s unamerican.
I’ll keep saying it, you and your fucking ilk share the same exact mentality as Muslim extremists. You want to employ their exact methods against them. Well congratulations, you people are bat shit insane with no morals. You are the evil you wish to obliterate.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait, I’m sorry, is this a US operated torture chamber or a terrorist operated torture chamber? I get the torturers mixed up.
Torture is so “in” this decade, the Geneva Convention is soo 1990s.[/quote]
You are a troll.
Pretty big difference between no air conditioning and blood on the walls.
Oh, you also suck.
JeffR
[quote]lixy wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:
…
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.[/quote]
lixy,
Point of order: You don’t know that.
Remember, al zarqawi and saddam.
It’s conceivable that this was just the beginning.
JeffR
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
So your answer to torture is to use torture. That’s brilliant, really, absolutly genius.
The United States is supposed to be above such brutal actions. Why is that when the Muslims do it, it’s barbaric savagery, but when the US participates it’s just something we have to do? You want to make our murder and our torture methods an acceptable evil that we have no choice but to engage in. You’re attempting to justify torture, do you even think about that at all or do you just let the drivel slip out? That’s ludicrous. That’s insanity. That’s evil. That’s terror. That’s unamerican.
I’ll keep saying it, you and your fucking ilk share the same exact mentality as Muslim extremists. You want to employ their exact methods against them. Well congratulations, you people are bat shit insane with no morals. You are the evil you wish to obliterate.[/quote]
Have you ever looked in the mirror and realized that you are worthless?
I’m wondering if you could see your reflection. You are an absolute vampire living off the good graces of other people.
If you are an American, I’m ashamed of you. If you are a foreigner, please indicate which virtuous country you reside in.
Other than having a great avatar, you have no redeeming features.
Oh, in case you were wondering, I realize that if your family was attacked you change your entire outlook.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait, I’m sorry, is this a US operated torture chamber or a terrorist operated torture chamber? I get the torturers mixed up.
Torture is so “in” this decade, the Geneva Convention is soo 1990s.
You are a troll.
Pretty big difference between no air conditioning and blood on the walls.
Oh, you also suck.
JeffR
[/quote]
And you’re a retard.
Oooooh blood on the walls. Haven’t detainees died while in US custody during “intense interrogations”(aka torture)? I’ll answer that for you, yes, yes they have… So now your response will be…?
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
[/quote]
Sinster,
You are missing the point. The guys at Gitmo aren’t guilty. They just HAPPENED to be members of terorrist organizations.
There is no such thing as guilt by association.
It’s analagous to walking in a klu klux klan parade. There’s no way that you should be implicated as a racist or a thug.
In fact, you shouldn’t even be asked about this when applying to teach an African American Studies class.
Signed,
inner hulk.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Wait, I’m sorry, is this a US operated torture chamber or a terrorist operated torture chamber? I get the torturers mixed up.
Torture is so “in” this decade, the Geneva Convention is soo 1990s.
You are a troll.
Pretty big difference between no air conditioning and blood on the walls.
Oh, you also suck.
JeffR
[/quote]
No one’s talking about “no air conditioning.” We’re talking about simulated drowning, threats to families, extreme sleep deprivation (which McCain and others who suffered it say is the worst form of torture of all) and psychological pressure to the point of destroying sanity (see Abu Zubaydah, do you even know who that is?). Way to be uninformed as usual Jeffy.
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
[/quote]
Good post.
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s your point Sinister? Nobody ever challenged that Al-Qaeda’s practices were far worse than what the US does.
Anyway, you should keep in mind that Al-Qaeda wouldn’t have flourished in Iraq had the US not invaded the country.
Right, instead Iraqi citizens would still be subject to the torture chambers that Saddam and the Baathists employed. Great. Regardless, my point isn’t being made to validate our presence there – that’s a different discussion.
My POINT is that, when we have in our custody a person who bears ill will and mal intent towards our country AND possesses information that may protect our citizenry and/or soldiers, that we keep in mind who we’re dealing with – and that it may be necessary to go beyond merely asking if they would be so kind as to reveal all they know.
People such as yourself love to use U.S. waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and other psychological coercion techniques in the same breath as the word ‘torture’. Well, this story illustrates what ‘torture’ is. In comparison, the methods we may use could be called tender and caring. We’re trying to fight a war with kid gloves, and it’s ridiculous – AND dangerous.
[/quote]
People such as myself? Good one!
I’ll have you know that the crushing majority of people consider waterboarding as torture. Even CIA officials acknowledge that it is torture. If you don’t consider it torture, it’s Ok by me. But that you are willing to compare your interrogation techniques to those of the worst scum in the world speaks volumes of that depraved ideology of yours. There is a set of standards that separate civilized people from savages and you are not exhibiting any understanding of that concept.
Here’s an excerpt from an article I ran across last week:
King James 1st personally described the process in The Kings Booke (1606). He would, on the advice of his officers, �??approve no new torture,�?? but he would certainly avail himself of the existing practices. In ascending order of severity they were: thumbscrews, the rack and waterboarding. That�??s right. Waterboarding was considered the most severe of the official forms of torture. Worse than the rack and thumbscrews.
That a prominent 16th century figure considered waterboarding to be, not only torture, but the worst of all tortures should be an indication the flaw in your argument.
And presenting an Al-Qaeda torture chamber as an argument is nothing short of preposterous. Like I said, if you like waterboarding people in the US and think it’s “tender and caring”, be my guest. It’s your country after all. But somehow, the whole sending people to be tortured overseas, destroying CIA tapes and disappearing e-mails gives the impression that, unlike you, most Americans didn’t betray their forefathers’ ideals. Surely, if waterboarding is no big deal as you claim, your government wouldn’t be trying to cover it up and disassociate itself from it.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Have you ever looked in the mirror and realized that you are worthless?
I’m wondering if you could see your reflection. You are an absolute vampire living off the good graces of other people.
If you are an American, I’m ashamed of you. If you are a foreigner, please indicate which virtuous country you reside in.
Other than having a great avatar, you have no redeeming features.
Oh, in case you were wondering, I realize that if your family was attacked you change your entire outlook.
JeffR
[/quote]
Oh ow, that really stung. I’m so hurt. You’ve damaged my frail self esteem.
I’m ashamed of you, for supporting torture methods. Methods any American POW would vehemently oppose. John McCain? Talk to someone who’s actually experienced it you cunt.
You want to support the same methods our enemy uses? The same enemy you claim is a worthless savage? So what exactly does that make you? A fucking saint because you’re an American? No dirt bag, it makes you a worthless fucking savage, unfit to hold the title of American.
What don’t you retards understand? How much more simple can I make this? You’ve become the evil you so wish to eradicate. What, don’t, you, get?