Easily attainable if you (1) Work hard for a while and (2) don’t be completely stupid about it.
I’m about 210-215 at 5’10 with maybe 11-13% body fat, so I am near those stats. Just took me 4 years to get here from an obese state.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
Easily attainable if you (1) Work hard for a while and (2) don’t be completely stupid about it.
I’m about 210-215 at 5’10 with maybe 11-13% body fat, so I am near those stats. Just took me 4 years to get here from an obese state.[/quote]
You are smarter than an average person your age though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
What kind of poundages/repetitions in basic lifts should be lifted to build that amound of muscle mass?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
So 200lb’ers tend to get that way by training and food intake?
BREAKTHROUGH
Can anyone post some pics of what 200lbs @ 10% bf looks like at different heights?
Not that it hasn’t already been said, but…
some people with great genetics will hit the proposed stats fairly easily, whether they train and eat ‘correctly’ or not (sorry, but that’s the way the cosmic dice are rolled), while others, with more middle of the road genetics will have to work their tails off for years to attain such ‘lofty’ goals. Still others will never be able to achieve said figures no matter what they do.
As Paragon so eloquently put it,… “you have to cook with what you’ve got”, and as Mike Mentzer used to say “You don’t know what your genetic limits are until you try to reach/surpass them.”
S
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
I totally agree with this. In the last gym I trained at there was one guy the gym manager who is a bodybuilder, he is about my height 5’6-5’7 and 86kg(189lbs) and i would say he was between 8-10%bf. Other than him, the majority that worked out there were definitly going for the beckham look. All the time they would lift up their shirts to check out the “hawt abz”. Yeah, I’m a fat fuck right now but I wouldn’t give up 3 inches on my arms to get “hawt abz”.
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
I totally agree with this. In the last gym I trained at there was one guy the gym manager who is a bodybuilder, he is about my height 5’6-5’7 and 86kg(189lbs) and i would say he was between 8-10%bf. Other than him, the majority that worked out there were definitly going for the beckham look. All the time they would lift up their shirts to check out the “hawt abz”. Yeah, I’m a fat fuck right now but I wouldn’t give up 3 inches on my arms to get “hawt abz”.[/quote]
U must be damn fat if u must give up 3 inches of your gunz just to see your 6pack LOL
I don’t agree with that at all. That’s not a particularly hard standard if you’re not short. I see plenty of people at my gym that fit the bill. As others have said, the same approach to training and diet that any progress requires.
[quote]DacianM wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
I totally agree with this. In the last gym I trained at there was one guy the gym manager who is a bodybuilder, he is about my height 5’6-5’7 and 86kg(189lbs) and i would say he was between 8-10%bf. Other than him, the majority that worked out there were definitly going for the beckham look. All the time they would lift up their shirts to check out the “hawt abz”. Yeah, I’m a fat fuck right now but I wouldn’t give up 3 inches on my arms to get “hawt abz”.[/quote]
U must be damn fat if u must give up 3 inches of your gunz just to see your 6pack LOL[/quote]
I meant they’re arms are 3 inches smaller than mine, asshole lol.
I’ve been training and coaching people for a while and I can’t tell you how often I have heard that same question (or a similar one)!
The fact is that people are insecure and want to be comforted in their goals.
In other words they want to believe that is "they do X for Y amount of time they WILL be 200lbs at 10% BF (or insert other stats).
Simply put we want to be SURE that if we do the required tasks we will achieve a precise, measurable and predictable result without a doubt.
But it doesn’t work like that. Some people will need years and years of dedicated training to hit a lean 200… some will never get there… other will get there in less than year (heck one of my friend was 5’10" 195 at less than 10% without even training). The fact is that you cannot know the answer for sure.
And I personally find that those who ask these questions are those who don’t really love training (they might like it, but it’s not their passion) they are simply doing it for the results. And ironically, those who do it only for the results are those less likely to reach their goals.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
But it doesn’t work like that. Some people will need years and years of dedicated training to hit a lean 200… some will never get there… other will get there in less than year (heck one of my friend was 5’10" 195 at less than 10% without even training). The fact is that you cannot know the answer for sure.
And I personally find that those who ask these questions are those who don’t really love training (they might like it, but it’s not their passion) they are simply doing it for the results. And ironically, those who do it only for the results are those less likely to reach their goals.[/quote]
This I like! The bolded has to be one of the top 10 things I’ve read all year.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’ve been training and coaching people for a while and I can’t tell you how often I have heard that same question (or a similar one)!
The fact is that people are insecure and want to be comforted in their goals.
In other words they want to believe that is "they do X for Y amount of time they WILL be 200lbs at 10% BF (or insert other stats).
Simply put we want to be SURE that if we do the required tasks we will achieve a precise, measurable and predictable result without a doubt.
But it doesn’t work like that. Some people will need years and years of dedicated training to hit a lean 200… some will never get there… other will get there in less than year (heck one of my friend was 5’10" 195 at less than 10% without even training). The fact is that you cannot know the answer for sure.
And I personally find that those who ask these questions are those who don’t really love training (they might like it, but it’s not their passion) they are simply doing it for the results. And ironically, those who do it only for the results are those less likely to reach their goals.[/quote]
Nothing to add. That last passage pretty well said it all.
I’m 6’0 and 200 after 1,5 year and I think that this isn’t very fast, and I did few things wrong (so it could be faster)
And about athletic people in Eastern Europe… I’m from Poland, and yes - we don’t play futbol,rugby,hockey etc. BUT in my city, after 20 o’clock, in almost all basements around - people are working very hard in their self-made gyms. The only limiting factor is that they don’t keep their diets very well, simply because they don’t know how and what to eat. They work hard, they look good, but generally - what is a healthy diet is knowledge from other planet, I think…
…and things getting worse when they start jobs,gets married etc. there is too many problems to keep trainings constantly. So after 30 they start looking like a crap.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
I live in south of Spain…[/quote]
I think this explains a lot… Hes European.
In general, most people overseas are very thin. Not EVERYONE but most are.
All my times traveling overseas for work (when I was in the military) you would see thin people everywhere. Whenever me and guys that I work with would go out in town people always asked us if we were a rugby team cause we were so much bigger than everyone else.
We stood out BAD (something we were definitely not trying to do) being a group of 20somethings who all obviously worked out and were in good shape (not BBer big but way bigger than almost eeryone else)
EDIT: I posted this before reading the whole thread… everyone touched on the smaller look being ideal in Europe already lol. Too slow I guess 
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
I live in south of Spain…[/quote]
I think this explains a lot… Hes European.
In general, most people overseas are very thin. Not EVERYONE but most are.
All my times traveling overseas for work (when I was in the military) you would see thin people everywhere. Whenever me and guys that I work with would go out in town people always asked us if we were a rugby team cause we were so much bigger than everyone else.
We stood out BAD (something we were definitely not trying to do) being a group of 20somethings who all obviously worked out and were in good shape (not BBer big but way bigger than almost eeryone else)
EDIT: I posted this before reading the whole thread… everyone touched on the smaller look being ideal in Europe already lol. Too slow I guess :)[/quote]
Looking like a soccer player is not an ideal in Europe! These players might be our sports heroes,but we consider them skinny.Mostly,they are about 170 lb.
In my country of Croatia,for example,the bigger & stronger you are,the better.
There is even saying that you are not a real man if you are not over 100 kg (220 lb.).
We consider 120 kg of muscle to be ideal.There are many very tall and muscular people in my country.
What I want to know is why strong man is so huge in Europe. It seems like there’s another tradition, perhaps not dominant, in Europe of wanting to be very big and strong to coincide with the soccer player tradition.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
You are wrong.
Body building is very popular in Poland and England which in itself is about 90 million people.[/quote]
Ummmmm I’m talking about athletes who are 200lbs at 10%. Europe simply doesnt emphasize the same sports that the US does. Football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field will all have men with the stats youre talking about or a similar LBM ratio to their height/weight. Even baseball has a good amount of big lean guys. Europe plays soccer. There are simply less people with the desire to look like anything more than a soccer player. It’s cultural.
If the popularity of bodybuilding mattered you wouldnt have this question. Because it’s not difficult at all for a 6’ tall man to be 200lbs at 10%. The reason you dont see it is because the people you see dont want to look like that.
Im not talking out of my ass. I spent a short amount of time in 5 major european cities and one small town. I was by far one of the most developed people walking around. I didnt go to any of the gyms but in general there were less big people walking around than there are in the US [/quote]
I’ll try a few generalisations myself, see what you think?
Poles and Russians are by far the biggest fuckers I have seen and their culture, from what I can gather prizes strength and size over everything else as it does with the Scandinavians.
Now Italians on the otherhand are a complete different story and epitomise that ‘David Beckham’ look you suggest ‘Europe’ craves! I could say the same about the Spanish and the French.
Now considering Europe comprises many different countries, cultures and people, the ideal of what is considered or accepted as big is wide ranging. Your European experience was sadly lacking, as was mine when I visited the US (3 cities) and saw mostly normal people (no huge fuckers anywhere?)
So what am I saying?
It’s who you associate with that matters. This applies to the gyms that people train in, what sports they play/ed and of course their vision of what the ideal physique is
Btw the Irish are the biggest bastards ever! lol
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
You are wrong.
Body building is very popular in Poland and England which in itself is about 90 million people.[/quote]
Ummmmm I’m talking about athletes who are 200lbs at 10%. Europe simply doesnt emphasize the same sports that the US does. Football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field will all have men with the stats youre talking about or a similar LBM ratio to their height/weight. Even baseball has a good amount of big lean guys. Europe plays soccer. There are simply less people with the desire to look like anything more than a soccer player. It’s cultural.
If the popularity of bodybuilding mattered you wouldnt have this question. Because it’s not difficult at all for a 6’ tall man to be 200lbs at 10%. The reason you dont see it is because the people you see dont want to look like that.
Im not talking out of my ass. I spent a short amount of time in 5 major european cities and one small town. I was by far one of the most developed people walking around. I didnt go to any of the gyms but in general there were less big people walking around than there are in the US [/quote]
I’ll try a few generalisations myself, see what you think?
Poles and Russians are by far the biggest fuckers I have seen and their culture, from what I can gather prizes strength and size over everything else as it does with the Scandinavians.
Now Italians on the otherhand are a complete different story and epitomise that ‘David Beckham’ look you suggest ‘Europe’ craves! I could say the same about the Spanish and the French.
Now considering Europe comprises many different countries, cultures and people, the ideal of what is considered or accepted as big is wide ranging. Your European experience was sadly lacking, as was mine when I visited the US (3 cities) and saw mostly normal people (no huge fuckers anywhere?)
So what am I saying?
It’s who you associate with that matters. This applies to the gyms that people train in, what sports they play/ed and of course their vision of what the ideal physique is
Btw the Irish are the biggest bastards ever! lol[/quote]
And this guy is living in Western Europe. Particularly Spain. What you said proves my point exactly. His perception is skewed. He doesnt see big people because the people around him dont want to be big.
Dude proved my point in his own post when he talked about “his country” having big guys walking around. If he had stayed in Croatia theres a good chance he wouldnt think that 200lbs at 10% is rarer than a chupacabra.
My experience in Europe wasnt lacking. I understand that developed people are the minority anywhere. When I was in Spain for all of 7 days the average sized man is smaller than the average sized man in NYC.
Again, you saying that the culture is varied proves what Im saying. Unless this guy is travelling the world on a daily basis his opinion is based on a very small sample size. So I put Europeans in a big ass soccer playing group. Big deal. It’s still true that small people are small because they want to be and not because being athletically muscular is some other-worldly task.
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
You are wrong.
Body building is very popular in Poland and England which in itself is about 90 million people.[/quote]
Ummmmm I’m talking about athletes who are 200lbs at 10%. Europe simply doesnt emphasize the same sports that the US does. Football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field will all have men with the stats youre talking about or a similar LBM ratio to their height/weight. Even baseball has a good amount of big lean guys. Europe plays soccer. There are simply less people with the desire to look like anything more than a soccer player. It’s cultural.
If the popularity of bodybuilding mattered you wouldnt have this question. Because it’s not difficult at all for a 6’ tall man to be 200lbs at 10%. The reason you dont see it is because the people you see dont want to look like that.
Im not talking out of my ass. I spent a short amount of time in 5 major european cities and one small town. I was by far one of the most developed people walking around. I didnt go to any of the gyms but in general there were less big people walking around than there are in the US [/quote]
I’ll try a few generalisations myself, see what you think?
Poles and Russians are by far the biggest fuckers I have seen and their culture, from what I can gather prizes strength and size over everything else as it does with the Scandinavians.
Now Italians on the otherhand are a complete different story and epitomise that ‘David Beckham’ look you suggest ‘Europe’ craves! I could say the same about the Spanish and the French.
Now considering Europe comprises many different countries, cultures and people, the ideal of what is considered or accepted as big is wide ranging. Your European experience was sadly lacking, as was mine when I visited the US (3 cities) and saw mostly normal people (no huge fuckers anywhere?)
So what am I saying?
It’s who you associate with that matters. This applies to the gyms that people train in, what sports they play/ed and of course their vision of what the ideal physique is
Btw the Irish are the biggest bastards ever! lol[/quote]
Your observations are correct regarding.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ooooh, let me try.
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
What do you think it takes to build lean 200 lb. physuque for a natural lifter?[/quote]
The same thing it takes to build 180, 190, 210, 220, 230 and above pounds.
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
[quote]
How many years of lifting,bulking & cutting?[/quote]
That depends on you and your genetics, food intake and training.
There are about 25 colleges/universities across the U.S with varsity gyms that have at least 2 dozen young men walking around at or beyond those stats. It’s rare in your small part of the world because hardly anyone in Europe cares to look like anything more than david beckam or rinaldo. Your perception of what is possible is skewed. [/quote]
You are wrong.
Body building is very popular in Poland and England which in itself is about 90 million people.[/quote]
Ummmmm I’m talking about athletes who are 200lbs at 10%. Europe simply doesnt emphasize the same sports that the US does. Football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, track & field will all have men with the stats youre talking about or a similar LBM ratio to their height/weight. Even baseball has a good amount of big lean guys. Europe plays soccer. There are simply less people with the desire to look like anything more than a soccer player. It’s cultural.
If the popularity of bodybuilding mattered you wouldnt have this question. Because it’s not difficult at all for a 6’ tall man to be 200lbs at 10%. The reason you dont see it is because the people you see dont want to look like that.
Im not talking out of my ass. I spent a short amount of time in 5 major european cities and one small town. I was by far one of the most developed people walking around. I didnt go to any of the gyms but in general there were less big people walking around than there are in the US [/quote]
I’ll try a few generalisations myself, see what you think?
Poles and Russians are by far the biggest fuckers I have seen and their culture, from what I can gather prizes strength and size over everything else as it does with the Scandinavians.
Now Italians on the otherhand are a complete different story and epitomise that ‘David Beckham’ look you suggest ‘Europe’ craves! I could say the same about the Spanish and the French.
Now considering Europe comprises many different countries, cultures and people, the ideal of what is considered or accepted as big is wide ranging. Your European experience was sadly lacking, as was mine when I visited the US (3 cities) and saw mostly normal people (no huge fuckers anywhere?)
So what am I saying?
It’s who you associate with that matters. This applies to the gyms that people train in, what sports they play/ed and of course their vision of what the ideal physique is
Btw the Irish are the biggest bastards ever! lol[/quote]
And this guy is living in Western Europe. Particularly Spain. What you said proves my point exactly. His perception is skewed. He doesnt see big people because the people around him dont want to be big.
Dude proved my point in his own post when he talked about “his country” having big guys walking around. If he had stayed in Croatia theres a good chance he wouldnt think that 200lbs at 10% is rarer than a chupacabra.
My experience in Europe wasnt lacking. I understand that developed people are the minority anywhere. When I was in Spain for all of 7 days the average sized man is smaller than the average sized man in NYC.
Again, you saying that the culture is varied proves what Im saying. Unless this guy is travelling the world on a daily basis his opinion is based on a very small sample size. So I put Europeans in a big ass soccer playing group. Big deal. It’s still true that small people are small because they want to be and not because being athletically muscular is some other-worldly task. [/quote]
We do agree that wanting to look a certain way has some cultural origins and also has to do with what people actually want, which is based on what they see and experience around them.
What I said did mirror your statement about Europeans but I was being a little bit sarcastic in that regard. I am sure some French guy would question my above statement, which of course was based on some limited personal experience, so holds no real water!
You see I really hate ‘people generalisations’ and bunching Europe into one big ass soccer playing group of Beckham wannabes bugs me, as I am sure bunching the US into one group of lard ass trigger happy morons might bug you, which of course is far from the truth!
In my travels I basically see average sized people (disregarding regional height differences), and on the rare occasion I have seen one or two muscular individuals and thats it!
It’s the OP’s perceptions that we agree are up for question