I dont have my starting stats yet for the beginning of this cycle, but currently I’m 46 yrs old 5’9 220 lbs. In between 10 and 15% BF. I start the following Sept. 10. Ive done multiple cycles but never this combo.
Well, I’m 2 weeks away from taking photos and measurements before I start the cycle. I plan on starting at a 300 calorie surplus, and macros will be 40/40/20 carbs, protein, and fats. Last time i was on stage was 2018, and planning to walk on 2024 Spring/Summer. 2018 competed light heavy walked on at 189 lbs. Show day i was inbetween 3 and 5 % bf. The reason for the post is, is this combination gonna help me put on 5 to 15 lbs off mass. Im either gonna walk on at 225 as a heavyweight if i get the gains if not ill be at the high end of body weight as a light heavyweight competitor. This is my concern about building the mass. Oct 2021 I had a complete tare of my right Tricep tendon. This will be my first cycle since then. Im looking for advice and or opinion on the cycle and approach.
If you havn’t cycled for awhile, its almost certain this will add mass in that range from your current off cycle physique.
I’ve never competed on stage nor even figured out how to lean down enough if I were interested. There are a couple members on here with stage experience who may be able to chime in. @meastlake1@s.gentz@RT_Nomad
@RT_Nomad is gonna be your best bet here but right off the bat I see things wrong.
Why are you running nolva on cycle? Are you sure you need the caber? The arimidex seems high to me but you’ve run cycles so you should know your body.
This is how i would run this for a 20 week bulk
Week 1-10
250 test/250 deca
Provirion 50mg/day Week 10-20 or start earlier if you plateau
500 test/500 deca/add in the anadrol pre WO for a couple weeks.
Provirion 50mg/day
There is 0 need for tren here. Save it for your prep if you decide to compete.
Your weekly dose far exceed anything that I have done.
I never liked taking Nolvadex on a cycle.
I rarely liked exceeding 600mg/wk total AAS
I had never heard of cabergoline when I competed, so I don’t know how that might allow higher AAS dosage.
I rarely took Proviron on a cycle.
So considering the limitations of my knowledge of today’s AAS protocol for adding muscle, my thoughts might not be helpful. I would probably cut all your doses in half. I would limit Anadrol to 4 week runs.
The longest cycles I ran were 12 weeks and those ended with the most important contest of that year (I did at least 3 contests per year). For adding bulk my cycles were 8 weeks, but I was “on cycle” more than I was “off cycle.” (maybe 6 weeks off, or less depending if a contest were sooner than to allow 6 weeks off.)
Certain I need the caber, for a few reasons. The nolva is to help combat the side from the drol. Cause dex everyday shuts me down. I run tren e second half of my my bulk traditionally and tren A for the last 6 to 8 weeks of my show prep. Im doin my show prep different than normal to but thats for a later discussion
What if i run 750 of test and 500 deca for the first 3 or 4 weeks just so i can peak my blood sooner than knock them down to 500 and 250 respectively the rest of the time? I know this my test hast to be atleast 500 cause i run trt at 250 without an other anabolics. When i was at my strongest i ran a gram of test e and half a gram of deca for 10 weeks. The tren and drol are additions
Im gonna be going right into my prep after this bulk thats another reason for ending it with tren e and proviron so i can start firming up before i hit all the cutters and hardeners.
Side note another reason forl the drol and tren on this bulk im trying to hit a recond on one arm dumbbell preacher curls. Currently my 1rpm is 75 i wanna hit the hundos by the end of Jan
I know the orals hit sooner but my thought behind starting them week three is so that the injectables will be in consistently active in my bloodstream when the oral hits as well
If you wanna peak sooner I would start at the lower dose of both but add in a little test prop and NPP for the first few weeks. If you do it the other way you are gonna be in for a hormonal rollercoaster.
From your answers you seem to have a reason for what you are doing no matter what others suggest so just run it how you want.
IMO if you need to run all the ancillaries that have listed then is it really worth it?
You also don’t mention any organ protection accept the Liv. What about kidneys?
Where is your blood pressure at? It is sure to go up on this cycle.
I would still also save the tren for the prep.
No youre good. I wouldnt be asking if i couldnt except advice or criticism. Its kinda what i want. Im by far not the all knowing. Currently bp is 125 over 76 so pretty much normal. My rbc is in check and i have that ckecked every 3 months. I just had a pint drawn last week. The elevation in this state really messes with my rbc so i stay on top of it. Dont thi k i. Not takj g your advice to consideration im just explaining my thoughts. If im wrong im wrong thats where you all come in.
Also whats your opinion on the bio test products ive been looking. 20 yrs ago they had a prohormone called mag 10 that worked pretty good, now its a powder lol. But what would you suggest from their product lines
I do have some experience that you might find worthwhile. A major part of my biceps training was bilateral dumbbell preacher curls where I didn’t allow the dumbbells to touch each other. I had been doing 10 reps with 60lb dumbbells. On one workout, on the 10th rep I felt a terrifying tear in my right biceps.
I laid off the preacher curls and managed to recover fairly well over the next half year or so. I was in my early 30’s then. Fast forward to my 44th year. I was a week and a half out from the Master’s Nationals and doing my final heavy leg day. I was doing leg presses and on one of my last sets I felt my right biceps tear one direction and immediately in another direction. I had felt that I was in my best shape as a Master. I had placed 2nd in the heavy weight class the year before. That was the end of that show for me.
I firmly believe that the tear I felt doing the preacher curls finally came back to repay me.
You do what you wish, but I would highly recommend that you drop your quest to accomplish what ultimately means nothing to anyone but you. Your tendons are stretched and in their most vulnerable position with a lot of weight.
Are these necessary? Since you haven’t started the cycle yet, you’ve got prior experience with these compounds/doses, so you know you’ll need these three items at these doses? Or you’re just throwing them in? Or only planning on taking them if blood work and symptoms arise?