I really wouldn’t do it with testosterone enanthate.
To have levels drop low enough to begin allowing recovery on day 15 would require, due to the relatively long half-life, rather weak levels in the second week as well.
I would just do an 8 week cycle.
what kidna of dosage would be best for 8 weeks? I am new to this, I just want gain a little muscle and not lose my drive. I have lifted for years I am in it for the long haul. Again the only thing at all i have available is test E. thanks for the quick reply, it is great to learn about this from someone like you instead of the local gym chemist lol.
If using an antiaromatase (Arimidex or letrozole), preferably checking estrogen levels during the cycle to verify that the dose is correct for the individual case, 700-800 mg total per week is nothing extreme but is effective.
Hi!
I got a couple of noob questions.
Whats the deal with running cycles for such a short duration? Compared to traditional cycle durations.
Could someone share me the thought process that goes behind chosing the different compounds used in this cycle and the timing of em.
What are the possibilites of running 2 week cycles without tren, i feel that tren is for the more experienced users, but i could be wrong.
It will help to make equal comparisons.
Some dismiss 2 week cycles by thinking: Hmm, being on steroids for 2 weeks versus being on for 14 weeks. Obviously 2 weeks won’t give as much results.
Well, duh.
But that is not an equal comparison. The total amount of drugs used is not the same, the total time “on” is not the same, and the ratio of time on and time off is not the same.
Let’s assume also that there isn’t a situation such as that there is a contest 14 weeks away and this date is much more important than most dates: instead, let’s assume that size and strength are important all the time.
So for this will be an equal comparison. In the space of a little under one year, planning to be “on” steroids half the time and “off” half the time, one could do:
12 weeks on
12 weeks off
12 weeks on
12 weeks off.
Or, 2 on / 2 off twelve times.
One advantage of the latter is obvious: no having to be off for quite extended periods, even though total usage and percent of time “on” is no more aggressive.
Second, on the longer cycles the tail end tends to be rather unproductive. So it’s not really 24 weeks of highly productive steroid use, but say 12 weeks of highly productive use, plus say 4 weeks of fairly productive use, and 8 weeks of just eking out further benefits. Whereas goes strong throughout during the shorter cycles.
Third, recovery is very quick and with no problems. It is common for recovery to be at least somewhat problematic with long cycles.
I noticed on my last “long cycle”, which was 10 weeks, my gains really slowed to a crawl around week 7-8. I’ve read that the reduced gains are caused by increase in cortisol levels which is a response to the increase in androgen levels. Is that correct?
Also, I noticed that the time using a SERM (or time spent in “PCT”) is more per year than running long cycles. For your example of 12 on/12 off twice, that would be about 8 weeks total time using a SERM if one were to follow the “standard” 4-week PCT protocol. But, if doing twelve 2 on/2 off cycles, that would be 24 weeks using a SERM. Is this a concern at all? I’m guessing “no”, but would really appreciate your input on that. I use Tamoxifen dosed at 20mg/day the duration of the “off” period.
Thanks.
One generally doesn’t need 4 weeks of SERM use after a 2 week cycle. Two weeks is, ordinarily, plenty.
The total SERM use would still wind up being somewhat higher than with say 8 week cycles, but I don’t think there’s reason for substantial concern there.
Might be a little too much to ask for, but it would be very nice if you could make an guide to 2week cycles Bill 
As far as i understand your the most knowledgable person in this particular area at this forum. (and i havent seen any other forums that have looked into this method of cycling).
Okay, I’ll try to within the next few days to write up something brief, but sufficient.
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I really really want to run some 2 weekers but the only thing I have access to are long esters. Recently I have found injectable winstrol, quite possibly a big maybe tren ace. But absolutley no chance of test prop. could a 2 weeker be ran with either of those compounds, injectable winnie or tren ace only? If so how?
Running those two together would probably not be ideal.
Tren and Dbol(as OP is using) is a popular combo.
If you would like to discuss further, either PM, or start your own thread.
For me, Tren + Dianabol is the best combo I’ve ever tried. I like it better than Tren + Test even as I feel much better while on cycle. It almost seems like Dianabol neutralizes the negative sides of Tren while Test (especially in higher doses) aggravates them.
Tren + Test might yield better gains than Tren + Dianabol, but so far in my experience it hasn’t really seemed worth the added sides.
That does seem good and would love to try it but again these are the only compounds I have available to me where I am at.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Okay, I’ll try to within the next few days to write up something brief, but sufficient.[/quote]
Did Bill ever write up a brief guide on 2on/2off cycles? I’ve searched but cannot seem to find it. I have read the stuff on meso that he did, which was quite good!
A question about the 2 week cycles… Do you think being on say a gram of test per week and 30-40mg of dianabol a day will result in hair loss from a short 2 week cycle? I know about finasteside but the stuff just makes me feel like shit…
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
A question about the 2 week cycles… Do you think being on say a gram of test per week and 30-40mg of dianabol a day will result in hair loss from a short 2 week cycle? I know about finasteside but the stuff just makes me feel like shit…[/quote]
If you are prone to it. It really varies from guy to guy. Some guys are more affected by quantity and others by duration. Test is middle of the road for the guys prone to hairloss, dbol I dont usually think is a problem. Masteron is notoriously the worst for many
I read about a guy who was prone to hair loss who ran the Tren + Dbol protocol used in Bill Robert’s original article and didn’t lose any hair.
Isn’t the theory that the DHT “builds up” in the hair follicle? If so, it might take a while for it to build up enough to cause problems.
Using topicals (nizoral, spiro) should also help.
Interesting stuff here guys… Ive never ran tren before, stuff kinda scares me. Would be cool if Bill would comment on this one. Nizoral for sure... If this gets a green light Im gonna structure a whole periodized training plan to go with the 2 on 4 off plan.
Bringing this thread back from the dead some…
I travel for my job, sometimes on short notice and the 2 week cycle seems the best option for me as shipping stuff around all the time to job site or trying to take it on an airplane sound like a huge hassle and for the latter, pretty risky.
Doing these short cycles with short esters is there any harm, besides wasting product due to lack of being on long enough for results, in say cutting the 2 week period to X number of days(less than 2 weeks) and going into the nolva for 2 weeks? Would I decrease the PCT in relation to the time on? or just keep it at 2 weeks?