2 1/2 Yrs of TRT, Did They Mess Me Up?

Pharma / TRT Testosterone Replacement
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First post here so I will try to make this as detailed as possible…

Age : 29

Height 6’2

Weight 235 lbs

non smoker / physically active 5-8 times per week ( over 60 min )

3 Years ago I had noticed a huge weight gain / loss of muscle mass and loss of sex drive / impotence… it started slowly but after trying to ignore the signs after 3-4 months it was to the point that I had to seek medical attention…

I am in the military so I belong to a CDU and they provide me with health care / medication / referrals to specialists. I had requests blood work be done to determine I had low test , I dont have the paper work as it was passed to my endocrinologist but I recall the levels being 150-170 vs the average being 400 low normal 600 normal 700-900 high normal…

After 3 sets of blood work I was refereed to my endocrinologist who did more blood work verifying the earlier results - he had then gave me the options for pills / pellets / adhesive pads and injectable’s… he talked me into the latter IM method saying it was the most effective…

I was prescribed Testosterone Enanthate injected 1CC per 2 weeks self administered in my left and right Quad with a 1.5 inch 25 needle…

After going to get the nurse to inject me / she showed me the Z-track injection method and I had used that for the past 2 1/2 years…Things seemed OK my mood elevated and I did start to put on a little extra muscle , my sex drive returned and the impotence completely disappeared… it was a month after getting this prescription that my first Son was conceived…

So here lies my problem(s)

My wife and I have been trying for a 2nd child for 2 years now… since we’ve moved to the East coast and switched doctors I’ve been having issues getting proper support…

I’ve done 3 Semen analysis in the past 3 months and they have all come back with ZERO count…Ive also done blood work and its shown that I’m producing zero LH hormones and my current brain dead doctor has no clue why… he has referred me to a fertility specialist aka. urologist… but this joker is the only one on the east coast and he has a 8 month waiting list…

I’ve got connections to get hCG as well as pretty much anything else I would need since my current assigned doctor is completely useless to me and my current situation… I am considering walking into the doctors and demanding something to be done otherwise I will action this myself…

But I don’t know what I am talking about / don’t know the proper drugs/dose that I need to be on for TRT and I am hoping to read as much as possible to that when I go in to the doctors I can have my guns loaded for boar…

any information provided would be excellent - any links to reading materials would be great as well… and any links to prove that I should be on certain combinations of Test / anti estrogen’s / hCG SC injections and the likes would also be awesome…

if ive missed anything please ask im an open book !

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Your LH and FSH should be zero, or near zero without HCG and TRT.
I don’t think T-Nation will allow external links anymore, but google
“scally’s power pct,” there are a ton of links to it and articles about it.

Many men are able to restore proper function after years of HEAVY steroids
using his method. The fact that you use such a small amount of T, and for
only two years should work in your favor.

Good Luck !

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[quote]PKNY wrote:
Your LH and FSH should be zero, or near zero without HCG and TRT.
I don’t think T-Nation will allow external links anymore, but google
“scally’s power pct,” there are a ton of links to it and articles about it.

Many men are able to restore proper function after years of HEAVY steroids
using his method. The fact that you use such a small amount of T, and for
only two years should work in your favor.

Good Luck !

[/quote]

well from doing some searching on this site ive found this info within the TRT Thread -

TRT: Protocol for Injections

  • 100mg test cypionate or ethanate injected per week with two or more injections per week.
  • 250iu hCG SC EOD [every other day]
  • 1.0mg Arimidex/anastrozole per week in divided doses.

Currently I am injecting 1CC Ethanate per 2 weeks , recently doctor changed it to 1cc per three weeks and it made no difference in my LH hormones… I knew this wouldn’t work but I just followed suit and did what he said so I could prove him wrong…

I talked to the base padre and told him this entire story from the get go to now…
Currently he is getting into contact with a doctor that will actually listen to me and hopefully prescribe me with hCG and arimidex or clomid or anastrozole as I’ve been cruising on 1cc per 2 weeks for nearly 2 1/2 years and have ruined my own production or test / semen / any other hormones my testes are responsible for…

Hopefully the new doc knows something about this or at least is willing to listen and research herself… where as the last 3 base doctors I spoke with simply replied with " I don’t know about this… mmm arimidex doesn’t sound like it should be used for TRT "

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Having a good Doc on your side is helpful.
If you cannot get the help you need from military physicians, don’t be afraid
to seek professional help outside of them.

If you are on facebook, look up Dr. Scally’s page called
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)/ Androgen Induced Hypogonadism (AIH)
Its a closed group so what you write isn’t part of the general or your friend facebook feed, and
it’s free to join. You can read through it, or post questions or your case and
Dr. Scally and others will help/reply…for free. I know Scally does consults as well
in private, and he is one of the foremost authorities on TRT, HPTA restoration
and fertility.

As I eluded to above, your case doesn’t sound drastic, as you haven’t been shut down
all that long in the grand scheme. Worst case scenario, it’s very easy to procure
HCG, Novaldex and Clomid via the internet.

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Congratulation’s on your 1st born.Testosterone is used also as a birth control method for men.It’s ineffective in most cases,but synthetic testosterone doe’s lower your sperm count and m otility.All I will say about going off medical direction,is please act conservative and don’t sterilze yourself because some Nutty teenage bodybuilder say’s use 5000i.u’s daily,or some other Home remedie’s see ya john

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[quote]PKNY wrote:
Having a good Doc on your side is helpful.
If you cannot get the help you need from military physicians, don’t be afraid
to seek professional help outside of them.

If you are on facebook, look up Dr. Scally’s page called
Post Cycle Therapy (PCT)/ Androgen Induced Hypogonadism (AIH)
Its a closed group so what you write isn’t part of the general or your friend facebook feed, and
it’s free to join. You can read through it, or post questions or your case and
Dr. Scally and others will help/reply…for free. I know Scally does consults as well
in private, and he is one of the foremost authorities on TRT, HPTA restoration
and fertility.

As I eluded to above, your case doesn’t sound drastic, as you haven’t been shut down
all that long in the grand scheme. Worst case scenario, it’s very easy to procure
HCG, Novaldex and Clomid via the internet.

[/quote]

I have the ability to secure the items from local suppliers but at my own cost as well as risk of getting caught using them… currently after my conversation with the base Padre who is referring me to a new doctor and I have emailed Dr. Michael Scally with all of my information… hopefully I will be able to secure these meds via a legit prescription so I don’t have to deal with shady people / spend my own cash / guarantee that my gear is 100% legit

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2 years of atrophy.

In your case I’d recommend nolvadex cycle, then HMG injections.

Don’t combine HMG and SERM as you can overload leydig cells.

You need FSH to make sperm. LH is for testosterone and overall health of testicles with slight crossover to FSH receptors.

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[quote]Tunapancake wrote:
2 years of atrophy.

In your case I’d recommend nolvadex cycle, then HMG injections.

Don’t combine HMG and SERM as you can overload leydig cells.

You need FSH to make sperm. LH is for testosterone and overall health of testicles with slight crossover to FSH receptors.[/quote]

Ill look into FSH injections a make sure to bring it up to my new doc…

Thanks for the reply !