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[quote]kakno wrote:
A good way to get an idea of how much of those 385 pounds is muscle is to post some numbers.

A good way to get an idea of what you eat is to keep a food log for a week.

A good way to stop being sedentary is to go for a walk a couple of times a week. At 400 pounds, that should be sufficiently challenging cardio. Seriously.[/quote]

Well, I’ll admit, I’m a little apprehensive about posting numbers and such. People get flamed mercilessly around here all the time when they put up numbers.

What numbers should I put up? Like my poundages, or measurements or what?

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[quote]Nards wrote:
OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.
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No, that’s Zydrunas Savickas, although we look pretty similar. He’s 6"3" as I am 6’6", and he weighs in at 380, five pounds less than I do. But he is carrying FAR more muscle than I am.lol

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[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
A good way to get an idea of how much of those 385 pounds is muscle is to post some numbers.

A good way to get an idea of what you eat is to keep a food log for a week.

A good way to stop being sedentary is to go for a walk a couple of times a week. At 400 pounds, that should be sufficiently challenging cardio. Seriously.[/quote]

Well, I’ll admit, I’m a little apprehensive about posting numbers and such. People get flamed mercilessly around here all the time when they put up numbers.

What numbers should I put up? Like my poundages, or measurements or what?[/quote]

Put up a picture. If you’re sincerely seeking help, it shouldn’t be a problem and the flaming wouldn’t get out of hand.

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And thanks to CC for honorable mention of me.

You people keep bugging this guy for numbers, stats, flicks, and vids, all of which are largely unnecessary because this guy needs to lose A LOT of weight - PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

If he has a real problem with eating and weight, then he should see a physician and/or a registered dietitian and/or a fitness trainer and/or a shrink (not kidding if eating disorder or food addiction is the case for obese and anorexic people).

This guy has a BMI of 44, likely–repeat: LIKELY–indicating MORBID OBESITY (>34 BMI for NON WEIGHT TRAINING people). This guy is NOT a chubby-muscular mix a la Andy Bolton or Donnie Thompson! If he was put together like those two men who do weigh well over 300 pounds, he likely wouldn’t have come on THIS forum making this type of thread which shows his complete lack of nutrition education. And I don’t want to hear from the OP or anyone else, “Yeah, he’s/I’m overweight but I/he’s got a lot of muscle underneath.” Look, people who are 380 pounds with a lot of muscle (albeit with a bit of fat) reach that status by knowing MORE than a thing or two about training and eating!

And thanks to CC for honorable mention of me.

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I think it’s awesome how a thread’s content can turn like this one has.

In the beginning, I asked a simple question. Is the 1g per pound of bodyweight a good rule of thumb or not.

And somehow…people have come on here talking about how morbidly obese I must be and about how horrible of a physical condition I must be in, and about how I’m probably about to die or some shit. I mean, WOW!

Honestly, guys. I got my answer (or at least I think I did) right off the bat, when the person said that it’s the rule about 1g per pound of “lean muscle bodyweight” that I should be looking at. Thanks for that. That makes perfect sense, in that context.

And for everyone else who’ve gotten into a discussion about my imminent demise and apparent food addiction (I had no idea)…please, continue the discussion.

And for those of you who want me to post numbers and vids and whatnot, I’ve learned full well to never do that on the net.

Hell, I’ve actually been referred to as (and this is no joke) “the dumbest member of all time” because I workout a little differently than anyone else, and defended that fact.

So…No. I’ve learned that lesson before. I wont be posting pics of myself. (Of course, I’ve already posted my youtube channel, but that just shows my face) Unless you look like a PEAK Mike Mentzer on this, you’re gonna get ripped.

So…looks like I’ve ranted a little.

Feel free to disregard this post. I’ve had about 10 hours of sleep in the past few days. Hospital chairs are a bitch to sleep in when you’re my size.
But that’s a different story for a different time.

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^Everything should be taken in context. This is still a public forum, and it’s not Estrogen Nation. Everyone can voice their opinion, and that opinion usually comes out for a reason. If someone reads a thread and thinks it’s a stupid thread, they’re gonna say it off the bat.

You don’t come off as a beginner but you’re asking about one of the most common, basic knowledge that everyone learns the first month of training. I don’t wanna go back and re-read every post, but I think you’re story changes a bit on every post.

People on here can be jack asses, but that only happens when things call for it (the shoe guy, and the countless RMP threads that’s been popping up lately). If you look in the T-cell, you’ll see that people on here actually know their shit and guys like STU, Alpha, Prof X, Brick and others are actually willing to help you out.

Again, it’s a public forum and good posts can sometimes come rare. But there’s plenty of shit on this site. Instead of taking the bait and getting into an E-fight, spend your time reading articles. Read Alpha’s log, and you’ll learn alot.

Why do you think some of the bigger guys on here have fewer posts than the new members?

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[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:

In the beginning, I asked a simple question. Is the 1g per pound of bodyweight a good rule of thumb or not. [/quote]
Yes.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
^Everything should be taken in context. This is still a public forum, and it’s not Estrogen Nation. Everyone can voice their opinion, and that opinion usually comes out for a reason. If someone reads a thread and thinks it’s a stupid thread, they’re gonna say it off the bat.

You don’t come off as a beginner but you’re asking about one of the most common, basic knowledge that everyone learns the first month of training. I don’t wanna go back and re-read every post, but I think you’re story changes a bit on every post.

People on here can be jack asses, but that only happens when things call for it (the shoe guy, and the countless RMP threads that’s been popping up lately). If you look in the T-cell, you’ll see that people on here actually know their shit and guys like STU, Alpha, Prof X, Brick and others are actually willing to help you out.

Again, it’s a public forum and good posts can sometimes come rare. But there’s plenty of shit on this site. Instead of taking the bait and getting into an E-fight, spend your time reading articles. Read Alpha’s log, and you’ll learn alot.

Why do you think some of the bigger guys on here have fewer posts than the new members?[/quote]

I gotta say, Ninja,

That’s one of the best posts I think I’ve ever read. On any forum. Seriously. It was well thought out and well written (I actually chuckled out loud at the "This is not estrogen nation comment). You are obviously a very smart guy, and I appreciate you taking the time for the response.

You mention that I dont sound like a beginner, but ask a pretty basic question. I can see how that’d be something that would stick out to someone like you who’s probably got it all together, and I guess I can explain it this way:

We, all of us, only know what we know if we’ve learned what we know. If we’ve never been taught something, how can we be expected to know it.

I am NOT a beginner in regards to my knowledge of exercise physiology. I know just about every exercise there is, in relation to what muscles that exercise works. I know what exercises are the best exercises (individual physiology notwithstanding of course) for the muscles that they work. I can name just about every muscle in the body, from the rhomboids, to the gastrocnemius, and I can tell you the proper cadence you should use for good intensity (3 seconds up, hold 1 second, 4 seconds down) and so on…

I know these things because they interested me early on and so I made it a point to learn them. Like you, I buried my nose in muscle magazines for hours on end and had the posters of Bertil Fox, Mike Mentzer, Tom Platz, and the other Old School Gods up on my walls.

But I was NEVER that interested in nutrition. It simply did not interest me. Never has. So I’ve never (until now) taken the time to learn a whole lot about it. Other than knowing junk food and fast food are bad for you, and beer and soda are bad for you, shit that everyone and their dog knows, I know nothing in addition to that. Because I wasnt interested in it.

Now you know why I know what I know and why I dont know what I dont know.

Hence my reason for creating this thread. I didn’t know something. Now I want to know. Maybe I should say Im sorry for not knowing sooner? lol.

So bear with me on this front, if you would, and hear this announcement again.

I do not know much about nutrition. It’s my cross to bear and apparently a mortal sin.

But I come to this site to learn and learn I have. And learn I will continue to do.

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[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:

In the beginning, I asked a simple question. Is the 1g per pound of bodyweight a good rule of thumb or not.
[/quote]

For whom?

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And for the record, try 1.5-2 grams per lb… Unless you are morbidly obese, then lower as necessary so your cals won’t get too high (after reducing carbs first).

You posted something about wanting to weigh 320 or so? Try for 500 grams for starters plus medium fat, and limit your carb intake (or follow a carb cycling diet or something like that) first and foremost to post workout and perhaps breakfast… And stick to primarily lean protein sources for your last meal or two of the day (and make it at least 5 meals total per day, better 6).

Add some fasted, low-int morning cardio on all days but leg day for starters (brisk walk around the block for 30 min per session or so… Or try regular cardio but I prefer to do it this way and that brought me down from ~304 or so to 265 at 5’10 in no time…), I don’t think HIIT is for you just yet at your weight (knees), but it’s your call.
Barbell Complexes are nice if you want some more conditioning/endurance but I’d wait until you’re lighter too, no need to make your heart explode just yet. And I hate lifting without the goal to get stronger anyway, so I avoid complexes… But again, your call. Just don’t add too many fat-loss things at once. Start with diet and add cardio and see where that gets you.

Should help you lean out.

And for heaven’s sake, nobody lifts with a 3 seconds up, hold 1 sec, 4 sec down cadence… Make that positive fast or even explosive, you can keep the negative somewhat slower… (4count in your head, ~2-3 sec or so) if that fits with your routine… Check out the “best of T-Nation” sticky thread in the bodybuilding section and read up on what our more experienced members do.
Fattyfat’s story in particular may be interesting to you.

As for your numbers… Hey, if you get bashed, so what? Post 'em up anyway. Or vids or whatever. Then at least we have some way of knowing where you are in your journey. After years of powerlifting, I’m sure you’re putting up some big #'s.

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[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:
I think it’s awesome how a thread’s content can turn like this one has.

In the beginning, I asked a simple question. Is the 1g per pound of bodyweight a good rule of thumb or not.

And somehow…people have come on here talking about how morbidly obese I must be and about how horrible of a physical condition I must be in, and about how I’m probably about to die or some shit. I mean, WOW!

Honestly, guys. I got my answer (or at least I think I did) right off the bat, when the person said that it’s the rule about 1g per pound of “lean muscle bodyweight” that I should be looking at. Thanks for that. That makes perfect sense, in that context. [/quote] That’s a nice recommendation for people just starting out at 120 lbs and who are not very serious about all this… [quote]

And for everyone else who’ve gotten into a discussion about my imminent demise and apparent food addiction (I had no idea)…please, continue the discussion.

And for those of you who want me to post numbers and vids and whatnot, I’ve learned full well to never do that on the net. [/quote] I don’t get it. As a powerlifter and weighing as much as you do, you should, by virtue of your weight alone, be putting up some really big numbers? Most people posting in this forum are in the beginner stage and way lighter and shorter than you… And fairly weak still… What is there to be afraid of?[quote]

Hell, I’ve actually been referred to as (and this is no joke) “the dumbest member of all time” because I workout a little differently than anyone else, and defended that fact.

So…No. I’ve learned that lesson before. I wont be posting pics of myself. (Of course, I’ve already posted my youtube channel, but that just shows my face) Unless you look like a PEAK Mike Mentzer on this, you’re gonna get ripped. [/quote] Hardly. But at 6’6, 385, people obviously think “behemoth”. [quote]

So…looks like I’ve ranted a little.

Feel free to disregard this post. I’ve had about 10 hours of sleep in the past few days. Hospital chairs are a bitch to sleep in when you’re my size.
But that’s a different story for a different time. [/quote]

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And for the record, try 1.5-2 grams per lb… Unless you are morbidly obese, then lower as necessary so your cals won’t get too high (after reducing carbs first).

You posted something about wanting to weigh 320 or so? Try for 500 grams for starters plus medium fat, and limit your carb intake (or follow a carb cycling diet or something like that) first and foremost to post workout and perhaps breakfast… And stick to primarily lean protein sources for your last meal or two of the day (and make it at least 5 meals total per day, better 6).

Add some fasted, low-int morning cardio on all days but leg day for starters (brisk walk around the block for 30 min per session or so… Or try regular cardio but I prefer to do it this way and that brought me down from ~304 or so to 265 at 5’10 in no time…), I don’t think HIIT is for you just yet at your weight (knees), but it’s your call.
Barbell Complexes are nice if you want some more conditioning/endurance but I’d wait until you’re lighter too, no need to make your heart explode just yet. And I hate lifting without the goal to get stronger anyway, so I avoid complexes… But again, your call. Just don’t add too many fat-loss things at once. Start with diet and add cardio and see where that gets you.

Should help you lean out.

And for heaven’s sake, nobody lifts with a 3 seconds up, hold 1 sec, 4 sec down cadence… Make that positive fast or even explosive, you can keep the negative somewhat slower… (4count in your head, ~2-3 sec or so) if that fits with your routine… Check out the “best of T-Nation” sticky thread in the bodybuilding section and read up on what our more experienced members do.
Fattyfat’s story in particular may be interesting to you.

As for your numbers… Hey, if you get bashed, so what? Post 'em up anyway. Or vids or whatever. Then at least we have some way of knowing where you are in your journey. After years of powerlifting, I’m sure you’re putting up some big #'s.

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Thank you very much for the info and advice carnage. The morning cardio is something I’ve actually been trying to implement, but I’ve been having trouble deciding whether or not to do it in the mornings or the evenings. There’s a track by my house, and I figure I’ll start out walking a mile, and as I get to where I can do that in under, say, 20 minutes, I’ll add laps and start doing as much as I can in a 45 minute window.

And as far as the 3/1/4 second cadence, isn’t working the muscle with a slow, controlled movement best, in that it makes sure that you can’t use too heavy a weight, and therefore not take near as much chance as injuring yourself like you might be prone to do if you are trying to be explosive? If I’m doing some heavy barbell curls or dumbbell flys and have a heavy wieght and in the effort of trying to get explosive, I jerk that weight up as quickly as I can, isn’t that a recipe for pulling or tearing a muscle?

Keep in mind, as I write this, I haven’t yet read the thread and article about Fattyfat that you’ve recommended yet, but I will. Until then, Im sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. It would seem to me that slow and cotrolled ensures that you can’t go so heavy as to hurt yourself. If the weight’s too heavy to control for the 3 seconds, hold, and down for 4, then you should do less weight, but you’re also working the hell out of the muscle. Try it some time.

As far as posting my numbers, I suppose you’re right, It can’t hurt. In a sense, I’ve already posted them, because I have a thread devoted to being my training log, but I dont think it interests folks all that much.

And Please…the number aren’t that good. A motorcycle accident put me in the hospital for a few months about a year and a half ago and I’ve lost a lot of strength. Sympathy, please. lol.

Here’s a link to my traning log thread:

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:

In the beginning, I asked a simple question. Is the 1g per pound of bodyweight a good rule of thumb or not.
[/quote]

For whom?

[/quote]

Me

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And for the record, try 1.5-2 grams per lb… Unless you are morbidly obese, then lower as necessary so your cals won’t get too high (after reducing carbs first).

You posted something about wanting to weigh 320 or so? Try for 500 grams for starters plus medium fat, and limit your carb intake (or follow a carb cycling diet or something like that) first and foremost to post workout and perhaps breakfast… And stick to primarily lean protein sources for your last meal or two of the day (and make it at least 5 meals total per day, better 6).

Add some fasted, low-int morning cardio on all days but leg day for starters (brisk walk around the block for 30 min per session or so… Or try regular cardio but I prefer to do it this way and that brought me down from ~304 or so to 265 at 5’10 in no time…), I don’t think HIIT is for you just yet at your weight (knees), but it’s your call.
Barbell Complexes are nice if you want some more conditioning/endurance but I’d wait until you’re lighter too, no need to make your heart explode just yet. And I hate lifting without the goal to get stronger anyway, so I avoid complexes… But again, your call. Just don’t add too many fat-loss things at once. Start with diet and add cardio and see where that gets you.

Should help you lean out.

And for heaven’s sake, nobody lifts with a 3 seconds up, hold 1 sec, 4 sec down cadence… Make that positive fast or even explosive, you can keep the negative somewhat slower… (4count in your head, ~2-3 sec or so) if that fits with your routine… Check out the “best of T-Nation” sticky thread in the bodybuilding section and read up on what our more experienced members do.
Fattyfat’s story in particular may be interesting to you.

As for your numbers… Hey, if you get bashed, so what? Post 'em up anyway. Or vids or whatever. Then at least we have some way of knowing where you are in your journey. After years of powerlifting, I’m sure you’re putting up some big #'s.

[/quote]

Also, Carnage, I wanted to PM you just to say thank you for that advice, but I didn’t see the “leave a pm” option under your name when I clicked on it.

Again, thanks very much, man. I’m quickly learning who I can go to at this site.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And for the record, try 1.5-2 grams per lb… Unless you are morbidly obese, then lower as necessary so your cals won’t get too high (after reducing carbs first).[/quote]

Respectfully Ceph, even pure whey protein has 5 cal/gram. The guy is talking about trying to maintain strength while losing weight. If he eats 570 to 760 grams of protein per day, he will be taking in 2850 to 3800 calories from the protein alone. Add minimal carbs and fat to that, and there is no way he will lose weight.

If you want to maintain strength while losing weight, you can’t eat like a powerlifter. You have to eat like a body builder in a cutting phase.

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[quote]humanjhawkins wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
And for the record, try 1.5-2 grams per lb… Unless you are morbidly obese, then lower as necessary so your cals won’t get too high (after reducing carbs first).[/quote]

Respectfully Ceph, even pure whey protein has 5 cal/gram. The guy is talking about trying to maintain strength while losing weight. If he eats 570 to 760 grams of protein per day, he will be taking in 2850 to 3800 calories from the protein alone. Add minimal carbs and fat to that, and there is no way he will lose weight.

If you want to maintain strength while losing weight, you can’t eat like a powerlifter. You have to eat like a body builder in a cutting phase.
[/quote]

Really? I doubt my calories are under 3,000cals a day when dieting and I lose weight. If this guy is as “muscular” as he keeps claiming, then he should see similar.

but then…if he is exaggerating and is actually way fatter than he wants us to know (which is likely since he is SO afraid to post a picture), then you would be right.

For the record, my protein intake has rarely gone over about 350-400gr a day so in essence I do not really disagree with you.

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What percentage bodyfat are you?

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[quote]rhythmically wrote:
What percentage bodyfat are you?[/quote]

This question is irrelevant unless he has gotten it tested via DEXA scan. Anything else is simply a guess, possibly an educated one. What I mean is, without a picture, the number is pointless

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]vcjha wrote:
… but it’s just smarter to eat less and allow your body to account and take action for the deficit. [/quote]

HUH?[/quote]
yea he don’t make sense. But I get what he’s trying to say: u thinking about burning those calories off? Don’t eat it in the first place! However fat loss is so confusing to me now. Is it all just about creating a so-called deficit? Yur always eating so it doesn’t make sense that eating less alone can cause the deficit. But burning off calories doesn’t make sense because you put it back on by eating anyway. Call me simple minded call me stupid, but I need some clarification.

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[quote]dchviet wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]vcjha wrote:
… but it’s just smarter to eat less and allow your body to account and take action for the deficit. [/quote]

HUH?[/quote]
yea he don’t make sense. But I get what he’s trying to say: u thinking about burning those calories off? Don’t eat it in the first place! However fat loss is so confusing to me now. Is it all just about creating a so-called deficit? Yur always eating so it doesn’t make sense that eating less alone can cause the deficit. But burning off calories doesn’t make sense because you put it back on by eating anyway. Call me simple minded call me stupid, but I need some clarification.
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wow