1g of Protein Per Pound of Bodyweight...

Nutrition
61

[quote]msd0060 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]

A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.

As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are. [/quote]

I think this is spot on. Proper food education is the ultimate goal, as that will help achieve success both in the short and long term. Pairing proper nutrition with medical evaluation and a modified workout regiment (targeted more at fat loss) is the answer. Now it’s just time to get down to business.

I apologize for my earlier suggestions of the V-Diet, that was ill advised.

Bricknyce, you always have great advice, but your avatar freaks me the f*** out[/quote]

Why did you go through and delete your posts? That’s retarded.[/quote]

I deleted the ones regarding the V-Diet, because they were misguided and wrong, and I am not afraid to admit that I made a mistake.

62

V-Diet after 5pm lol

63

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]msd0060 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]

A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.

As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are. [/quote]

I think this is spot on. Proper food education is the ultimate goal, as that will help achieve success both in the short and long term. Pairing proper nutrition with medical evaluation and a modified workout regiment (targeted more at fat loss) is the answer. Now it’s just time to get down to business.

I apologize for my earlier suggestions of the V-Diet, that was ill advised.

Bricknyce, you always have great advice, but your avatar freaks me the f*** out[/quote]

Why did you go through and delete your posts? That’s retarded.[/quote]

I deleted the ones regarding the V-Diet, because they were misguided and wrong, and I am not afraid to admit that I made a mistake.
[/quote]

How very noble. But anyone reading the thread would see you were wrong without you deleting the posts.

64

Yeah, I am in no way an expert, but from reputable sources, 1. a pound of muscle burns a mere 5 calories. 2. it’s easier to just eat less. And also on that note, even 40 lb of muscle fails to burn off a candy bar of calories. Cardio is definitely beneficial to keep body fat off, but it’s just smarter to eat less and allow your body to account and take action for the deficit.

65

[quote]vcjha wrote:
… but it’s just smarter to eat less and allow your body to account and take action for the deficit. [/quote]

HUH?

66

Selling protein is a big part of Century Foods’ business. They recommend that a strength athlete consume .7 to .8 grams of protein per pound of body weight. As they have a vested interest in higher numbers, I suspect this is a pretty good recommendation.

If you get half that from real food and half from supplements, you will probably get enough carbs and fats. Just be sure to eat it in small meals throughout the day. It doesn’t do any good to chow down half your protein in one meal.

If you keep the protein intake high, and cut calories in the carbs mainly, you can lose weight without significant muscle loss. You may not be able to gain muscle while doing this, but you should be able to keep what you have.

If you want to lose 75 pounds though, you need to be in it for the long haul. It could take 9 to 18 months of sustained effort. You’ll need to figure out something that you can keep up with… Something like a cycle with 3 weeks on the diet and one week where you relax the rules (a little, not a lot) so you don’t go crazy.

Good luck.

67

OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.

68

[quote]Nards wrote:
OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.
[/quote]

Nards, I thought you were better than that. I don’t even know who is in his avatar but I’m damn certain he’s a pro strongman. Not only is the guy in his avatar “not that bad”, he’s fucking huge.

69

[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:
Oaklahoma Hoss, write down a food diary of EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE AMOUNTS, that you eat and drink in a week the the amount of $ you spend on the food and drink. dont go crazy on the detail, eg 10 candy bars, instead of 200g of carbs etc. dont be shy about it. after the week, sit down and read it, let it sink in. then come back to us.[/quote]

Well, and again, that’s the thing. My wife shops healthy for the both of us. I dont drink. I don’t smoke. I rarely drink soda or eat junk food like burgers and shit like that. And I’m actually eating less than I did.

Thing is, although I love to lift, I HATE to do cardio. I know I need to do it, but I’m pretty sedentary otherwise, and I’m intelligent enough to have identified this as the main causae of my weight. [/quote]

Fat loss happens in the kitchen, not in the gym. You need to do exactly as caveman suggests. Then you need to get your diet dialed in. In order to do this, you will need to log and detail your macros everyday. Just “eating less” will get you nowhere, in fact, it may actually hamper your progress. You can’t estimate your food consumption, you need to be exact. Estimate when you reach your goal, and have enough knowledge to do so. Don’t go low fat, either, unless you want your T-levels to drop drastically.

There’s plenty of information about nutrition and food choices on this site. Spend a week reading everything, find a plan that fits you and get busy.

You do need to add SOME cardio into your routine. Do it on days you don’t lift. Keep it short and intense, maybe 20 minutes a session is all you need if you push yourself.

70

[quote]kakno wrote:
A good way to get an idea of how much of those 385 pounds is muscle is to post some numbers.

A good way to get an idea of what you eat is to keep a food log for a week.

A good way to stop being sedentary is to go for a walk a couple of times a week. At 400 pounds, that should be sufficiently challenging cardio. Seriously.[/quote]

Whoah. holy common sense.

OKHoss, I’ve read that in overfat people, a lot of “lean body mass” isn’t even muscle, it’s just… stuff. Connective tissue required to hold the body together at a higher weights. So losing that type of lean body mass isn’t really a big deal. You could drop down to 300lbs and still be far far away from lean. But it would still have a huge benefit for your quality of life (your knees alone would benefit from the reduced weight).

Regardless, you are probably packing some good muscle from your powerlifting days, so I’d guess a Special K and cardio diet would be bad news. But I’ll defer to the sane advice to make sure that you get some expert help, and wish you luck on it.

71

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.
[/quote]

Nards, I thought you were better than that. I don’t even know who is in his avatar but I’m damn certain he’s a pro strongman. Not only is the guy in his avatar “not that bad”, he’s fucking huge.[/quote]

i guess am the only one who took the time to look him up on youtube.

72

[quote]msd0060 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]msd0060 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]

A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.

As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are. [/quote]

I think this is spot on. Proper food education is the ultimate goal, as that will help achieve success both in the short and long term. Pairing proper nutrition with medical evaluation and a modified workout regiment (targeted more at fat loss) is the answer. Now it’s just time to get down to business.

I apologize for my earlier suggestions of the V-Diet, that was ill advised.

Bricknyce, you always have great advice, but your avatar freaks me the f*** out[/quote]

Why did you go through and delete your posts? That’s retarded.[/quote]

I deleted the ones regarding the V-Diet, because they were misguided and wrong, and I am not afraid to admit that I made a mistake.
[/quote]

How very noble. But anyone reading the thread would see you were wrong without you deleting the posts.[/quote]

I have no idea why most from last night was not put on here considering I said that the V-Diet is GOOD!

He was NOT wrong in recommending the V-Diet; liquid PSMFs have been used with success for several decades and still are today. The caveat with this approach is that the person must receive diet education explaining food choices and portion and calorie control afterward.

What makes PSMF’s with whole food better is that they START with nutrition education and calorie and food choice control throughout. Diet education is going to have to be provided at some point or another.

73

[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:
How much protein is too much?

Hoss.[/quote]

lots of anecdotal but nobody really knows. studies that are done on nutrition are on the sick and more global ie Combined nutritional support in patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), under mechanical ventilation (MV) - PubMed. and epidemiological analysis reveals quite a variant in regards to macros: high fat, high carbs, high protein, have all proven successful as we are omnivores and quite adaptable.

perhaps considering the “source” of your food is more critical: is your meat, dairy, carb, fat processed? in addition, considering your lifestyle is more critical: do you consume food-like-substance out of boredom, in front of the tv or in your car, etc. and are you active every day?

400lb is obviously a wake up call so good luck.

get smart: food inc., omnivore’s dilemma. etc.

74

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.
[/quote]

Nards, I thought you were better than that. I don’t even know who is in his avatar but I’m damn certain he’s a pro strongman. Not only is the guy in his avatar “not that bad”, he’s fucking huge.[/quote]

i guess am the only one who took the time to look him up on youtube.[/quote]

No, I looked him up. But face shots are only slightly better than useless when trying to estimate how much fat this guy has to lose.

I was simply commenting about Nards’ post asking if the OP was the guy in his avatar. The guy in his avatar is a fucking monster, OP is not.

75

I don’t think the medical profession has much to offer for weight loss.

Unfortunately, a lot of my family and friends are obese and morbidly obese. I’ve seen quite a few of them undertake hospital-sponsored PSMFs. They all lost a ton of weight quickly and then promptly thereafter put it all back on again, plus quite a bit more. Two of my friends, a married couple, did this TWICE. I do not know what kind of nutritional counseling or education accompanied the fast, but it was clearly not enough. Then, they both underwent gastric bypass surgery. Thereafter they both lost hundreds of pounds again, but now that it is about 5 years later, he is as fat now as before the surgery. After 3 cycles of losing then regaining hundreds of pounds, he looks worse than ever, which I believe is from worsening body comp each cycle. I also know of 4 of my cousins who have had gastric bypass with the same experience of initial weight loss but subsequent regain. It is hard to tell by looking at them whether they are any less fat now than before. The surgery is certainly no holy grail all by itself.

Another example is my mother, who has been obese for some 25 years. Over that time, she has “tried” lots of things to lose weight. The help she got from doctors was just as stupid and just an ineffective as anything else she tried. Two things she got from doctors were fen-phen and Xenical (orlistat). After a couple weeks, she discontinued the fen-phen because she didn’t feel good. The orlistat caused a lot of diarrhea, but no significant lasting fat loss whatsoever. She tried other equally stupid things on her own (e.g., Berry Trim), but my point is that doctors rarely help obese people lose weight and keep it off.

It’s pointless for obese people to lose weight unless they maintain much of the weight loss for pretty much the rest of their lives. I don’t care how fast a diet can burn the weight off in the first couple months, or 6 months. What does an obese person have to do in order to maintain a lower weight 5, 10, or 20 years from now? Start posting studies that answer that question. Show me the doctors, hospitals, or other medical professionals who have an excellent track record in that regard. THEN I’ll start sending my obese friends who ask me for advice there, instead of giving them the advice I give them now (which is basically a simplification of Berardi’s 7 habits).

76

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
OP, is that you in your avatar?

If so, then you’re not near as bad as some have been making out here.
[/quote]

Nards, I thought you were better than that. I don’t even know who is in his avatar but I’m damn certain he’s a pro strongman. Not only is the guy in his avatar “not that bad”, he’s fucking huge.[/quote]

i guess am the only one who took the time to look him up on youtube.[/quote]

No, I looked him up. But face shots are only slightly better than useless when trying to estimate how much fat this guy has to lose.

I was simply commenting about Nards’ post asking if the OP was the guy in his avatar. The guy in his avatar is a fucking monster, OP is not.[/quote]
You’re right Lanky, I could kind of feel my brain farting as I wrote that. Late at night is my excsue…I think I thought it could be him in the avatar as pics could be decieving and we could only see the avatars’ arms.
I didn’t check his youtube page so I still don’t know what he really looks like.

77

I just picked it because it’s well known, but googling indicates 50% success rate over 2 years. (losing 4-8% weight while in the 4 week program)

78

[quote]andersons wrote:
I don’t think the medical profession has much to offer for weight loss.

Unfortunately, a lot of my family and friends are obese and morbidly obese. I’ve seen quite a few of them undertake hospital-sponsored PSMFs. They all lost a ton of weight quickly and then promptly thereafter put it all back on again, plus quite a bit more. Two of my friends, a married couple, did this TWICE. I do not know what kind of nutritional counseling or education accompanied the fast, but it was clearly not enough. Then, they both underwent gastric bypass surgery. Thereafter they both lost hundreds of pounds again, but now that it is about 5 years later, he is as fat now as before the surgery. After 3 cycles of losing then regaining hundreds of pounds, he looks worse than ever, which I believe is from worsening body comp each cycle. I also know of 4 of my cousins who have had gastric bypass with the same experience of initial weight loss but subsequent regain. It is hard to tell by looking at them whether they are any less fat now than before. The surgery is certainly no holy grail all by itself.

Another example is my mother, who has been obese for some 25 years. Over that time, she has “tried” lots of things to lose weight. The help she got from doctors was just as stupid and just an ineffective as anything else she tried. Two things she got from doctors were fen-phen and Xenical (orlistat). After a couple weeks, she discontinued the fen-phen because she didn’t feel good. The orlistat caused a lot of diarrhea, but no significant lasting fat loss whatsoever. She tried other equally stupid things on her own (e.g., Berry Trim), but my point is that doctors rarely help obese people lose weight and keep it off.

It’s pointless for obese people to lose weight unless they maintain much of the weight loss for pretty much the rest of their lives. I don’t care how fast a diet can burn the weight off in the first couple months, or 6 months. What does an obese person have to do in order to maintain a lower weight 5, 10, or 20 years from now? Start posting studies that answer that question. Show me the doctors, hospitals, or other medical professionals who have an excellent track record in that regard. THEN I’ll start sending my obese friends who ask me for advice there, instead of giving them the advice I give them now (which is basically a simplification of Berardi’s 7 habits).[/quote]

Ever hear of non-compliance?

79

The solution to the problem of obesity is obviously multifaceted and needs to be treated as such. This thread just seems to be going in circles.

Finding a diet, workout regiment, medical counselor, and maybe a partner or trainer to push/support you in your venture is a must. Now it’s time to do the research and then execute.

80

[quote]humanjhawkins wrote:
Selling protein is a big part of Century Foods’ business. They recommend that a strength athlete consume .7 to .8 grams of protein per pound of body weight.[/quote] What’s with all the low recommendations now? 1 gram per pound? And now we’re already down to 0.7-0.8 ? What? No wonder most of the people posting in this forum never make it past the beginner stage and get injured all the time… Eating less grams of protein than your # of lbs of bodyweight? That’s less than figure girls eat on a cut!
Unless there is some medical condition present, why would any weight-trained person looking for results want to do this (apart from sheer laziness and lack of drive in the kitchen)? Not necessarily a rant against your post mind you, I’m just surprised at this thread.

As for the OP, post a shirtless picture of a front double-bicep or relaxed pose so we can finally determine whether you are in fact seriously obese or not. Do it via pm to bricknyce or Professor X or someone like that if you don’t want to put it on the boards for public view. And post your current numbers perhaps, as previously suggested.

[quote]
As they have a vested interest in higher numbers, I suspect this is a pretty good recommendation. [/quote]
Adequate for sedentary, non-training people… That’s something like 120-135 g of protein for a 170 lb guy. Conveniently easy to get in even if you don’t eat much in the way of meat or use protein powder… And a terrible recommendation for a male trainee looking for serious results before the next ice-age.

[quote]

If you get half that from real food and half from supplements, you will probably get enough carbs and fats. Just be sure to eat it in small meals throughout the day. It doesn’t do any good to chow down half your protein in one meal.

If you keep the protein intake high[/quote] This is unintentionally funny. [quote], and cut calories in the carbs mainly, you can lose weight without significant muscle loss. You may not be able to gain muscle while doing this, but you should be able to keep what you have. [/quote] I agree with that on general principle. We just have very different ideas of what constitutes a high protein intake. Your high is my “abysmally low and falling so fast it needs a parachute”. [quote]

If you want to lose 75 pounds though, you need to be in it for the long haul. It could take 9 to 18 months of sustained effort. You’ll need to figure out something that you can keep up with… Something like a cycle with 3 weeks on the diet and one week where you relax the rules (a little, not a lot) so you don’t go crazy.

Good luck.[/quote]