It’s 1g per pound of LEAN BODY MASS. If you’re 400lbs and you hold 200lb of fat, you’ll be fine with 200g/day.
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Why would he be ineligible for the V-Diet. Protein sparing modified fasts were developed for obese people in the first place and have been used successfully, especially with bariatric patients who need to lose weight very quickly. Please refer to the work of Stephen Phinney.
The second article is more background information that anyone interested in ketogenic, VLCD, and protein sparing modified fasts might be interested in.
More on PSMFs here for overweightand obesity here.
Lyle McDonald and Chris Shugart modified PSMFs for physically active, trained people. They aren’t new at all, and were initially for the obese.
That’s what’s can be deceiving. People don’t hoard fat in the same places. Everyone has different problem areas. Judging from the man’s face and shoulders, he looks like quite a few powerlifts. We don’t know what the rest of him looks like. He might have to lose more than 150 pounds!
He CAN do a PSMF successfully. But he needs a full diet education overhaul and his original posts reflect this.
Because he is so overweight, this guy can lose weight from making proper food choices ALONE - no counting calories or grams of protein.
If he followed even the most basic of nutritional guidelines, even as easy as the following.
Have 3 meals per day with a few snacks or shakes.
At each meal, have a portion of protein, carbs, veggies, and a small amount of fat.
Have a few fruits per day.
Drink enough water.
Get 5 or more hours of physical activity per day.
Have a “free” meal or dessert here and there.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.[/quote]
MOST people need 5 or more hours of physical activity per week to control weight. I think the optimal is more like 6 to 10 hours per week, and if I didn’t have a full time job, I tried to get even more!
There are benefits to regular cardio that weight training doesn’t provide and vice versa.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
you dont look that fat from your face.[/quote]
Well, thanks…lol.
That’s kinda what I’ve been saying. And honestly, I’m not QUITE 400. Im actually around 385. My doc says that with the muscle I’m carrying, a bodyweight of around 310-320 would be about right. So I need to drop about 60 lbs
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.[/quote]
I think you’re right. I’ve been hitting the glucosamine/chondroiton for my knees and it’s been wroking really well. Plus as I am able to get muscle back on my frame and get my strength up, I know that my energy level will go up and I’ll be more motivated to do things on my off days like run or hit the heavy bag.
A good way to get an idea of how much of those 385 pounds is muscle is to post some numbers.
A good way to get an idea of what you eat is to keep a food log for a week.
A good way to stop being sedentary is to go for a walk a couple of times a week. At 400 pounds, that should be sufficiently challenging cardio. Seriously.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Because he is so overweight, this guy can lose weight from making proper food choices ALONE - no counting calories or grams of protein.
If he followed even the most basic of nutritional guidelines, even as easy as the following.
Have 3 meals per day with a few snacks or shakes.
At each meal, have a portion of protein, carbs, veggies, and a small amount of fat.
Have a few fruits per day.
Drink enough water.
Get 5 or more hours of physical activity per day.
Have a “free” meal or dessert here and there. [/quote]
5 hours a day do you mean 5 hours a week, or does 5 hours a day include NEPA and work etc.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.[/quote]
MOST people need 5 or more hours of physical activity per week to control weight. I think the optimal is more like 6 to 10 hours per week, and if I didn’t have a full time job, I tried to get even more!
There are benefits to regular cardio that weight training doesn’t provide and vice versa. [/quote]
True, but you can also alter weight lifting regiments to work cardio simultaneously, and some people will be more dedicated to that rather than the monotonous task of the bike/elliptical/stairmaster.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.
As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are.
[quote]yorik wrote:
It’s funny that the V-Diet is not for really obese people. The calculator will kick you out if you try to enter that. I experimented and I think the max is around 265.
Apparently when an obese person gets a lap band procedure, they’re essentially on a liquid protein diet for the first two weeks anyway. The V-Diet is probably better for them.[/quote]
Wife got Lap Band 9+ months back. Liquid diet 10-14 days prior is to give
docs more loose skin to work with and a clean easliy emptied stomach.
Three weeks postop to ensure calories w/o nauesa. Solid food too
soon might damage stiching and get caught in smaller hole. Happened
three times when she switched to solids. Today she completing her
first half Ironman.
And a good option would be to go to a medical weight loss center - NOT some Jenny Craig or LA Weight Loss type of thing - where they have a physician and registered dietitian working in tandem.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.
As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are. [/quote]
I think this is spot on. Proper food education is the ultimate goal, as that will help achieve success both in the short and long term. Pairing proper nutrition with medical evaluation and a modified workout regiment (targeted more at fat loss) is the answer. Now it’s just time to get down to business.
I apologize for my earlier suggestions of the V-Diet, that was ill advised.
Bricknyce, you always have great advice, but your avatar freaks me the f*** out
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
A protein sparing modified fast doesn’t have to consist of protein shakes and fiber supplements at all. All a person needs are lean protein sources, a small amount of EFAs (can be gotten from a serving of oily fish per day), and liberal servings of fibrous veggies. A whole foods PSMF actually teaches proper food choices and timing, something lacking in liquid diets as you point out here.
As I’ve said, they’ve been used for quite some time, and still are. [/quote]
I think this is spot on. Proper food education is the ultimate goal, as that will help achieve success both in the short and long term. Pairing proper nutrition with medical evaluation and a modified workout regiment (targeted more at fat loss) is the answer. Now it’s just time to get down to business.
I apologize for my earlier suggestions of the V-Diet, that was ill advised.
Bricknyce, you always have great advice, but your avatar freaks me the f*** out[/quote]
Why did you go through and delete your posts? That’s retarded.