Oaklahoma Hoss, write down a food diary of EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE AMOUNTS, that you eat and drink in a week the the amount of $ you spend on the food and drink. dont go crazy on the detail, eg 10 candy bars, instead of 200g of carbs etc. dont be shy about it. after the week, sit down and read it, let it sink in. then come back to us.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Honestly, I think a lot of the previous posts are treating this guy as if he’s 40lb overweight instead of 200lb overweight.
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Exactly.
No offense to the OP, honestly, but almost everyone posting here is not considering how potentially jacked up this guy’s situation could be. 400lbs is NOT the same at 5’10 250 with 30%. It sounds like people dont really have a grasp at how different 400lbs is than a regular overweight person.
This doesn’t have to be rocket science:
Phase 1: Eat as much real whole foods as you want! Meats, Quality Carbs, Healthy Fats, Fruits and Veggies. No cheats for 14 days. . .Consume 5 meals a day.
Alan
Preserving muscle mass while dieting down at that weight isn’t as difficult as someone who’s relatively lean to begin with. As long as you aren’t pulling something stupid like the Special K diet you should be fine. At this weight its more about maintaining a balance while in caloric deficit. Anyone who tells you to go down a specific diet route without full knowledge of blood work and medical history may be sending you into an early grave, so get your doc to check you out so you can have a copy of your test results (even if you don’t want to listen to him for advice on diets).
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There is no way I would recommend the V-Diet to someone weighing 400lbs. To the OP…go see your DOCTOR. At 400lbs, chances are there are underlying health issues you may not even be aware of. Going on a diet of protein shakes is not what most health professionals would recommend and yes, I lift weights too. You don’t erase decades of bad eating habits in a month or two of avoiding natural food sources.[/quote]
What would you say then about the diets that most GBP patients adhere to, which consist mostly of liquid food, in order to reduce the possibilities of stomach rupture? I am not disagreeing with the fact that there are probably other contributing factors, but it isn’t that different from some current medical practices. [/quote]
Why are you comparing a post operative patient with a compromised internal organ with someone who has literally stretched their stomach with pounds of food for several years?
What current medical practices would try to reverse severely negative eating habits by forcing someone morbidly obese to eat in a way that they couldn’t maintain long term even if they wanted to?
Unless the V-Diet now comes with about 12 months worth of education about biology and nutrition along with intense psychological counseling and behavior modification (using possibly electrocution), why do you think it is magic?[/quote]
I never claimed that it was magic, nor have I ever even considered using the program, I simply stated that it is fairly similar to current medical practices that are used to treat morbidly obese people.
Your comment on time period is also irrelevant. Cancer patients undergo treatments that they obviously cannot maintain long term, something has to serve as the catalyst for change. I do agree that education and changes that will build the best nutritional/physical foundation are the best cure for an obese person. However, a diet that forces the body to utilize its own fat reserves is a great way to jump start the movement down the road of fat loss.
I personally have no experience with the V-Diet, I simply stated that the logic behind such a diet could prove useful in this situation. I think that seeking professional medical help is definitely the best choice, as stated above, I was just playing with some of the ideas that were suggested.
I am aware of your level of knowledge Prof X, and respect the time and effort you have put into your pursuits. I am simply seeking to have a constructive conversation on this topic. Maybe the OP substitutes liquid food for half his meals? Just doing some brainstorming.[/quote]
I am avoiding bashing the V-Diet…unless Shugart writes something that makes me respond directly to it.
I HAVE tried the V-Diet and as such have very strong opinions about it especially in terms of larger weight lifters. All of this has been discussed ad nauseum in the T-Cell so anyone interested can just go bump those old threads.
Like I already wrote, the reasons why this is wrong have been detailed…yet you are still arguing with a DOCTOR about it…as if I didn’t go to school to SURGICALLY treat patients with many of the same issue we are discussing.
I hate mentioning that as often as I do, but honestly, what the fuck? I could see if I was giving completely wrong advice here, but after 10 years of this, why do you or anyone else think I am clueless when I type?
I have removed my comments and acknowledge that they were misguide. I will defer to the professional on this one.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
What is your lean body mass?[/quote]
I have no idea. I carry a lot of muscle, but I’m a fat ass too. I dont make any excuses.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Ya,
It’s 1g per pound of LEAN BODY MASS. If you’re 400lbs and you hold 200lb of fat, you’ll be fine with 200g/day.
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Well…at six foot six, I dont think I carry that much fat. I’d say I’d I might carry a hundred pounds or so. Certainly not much more than that. Picture Brian Siders, or Glen Ross.
I powerlifted for a very long time and still carry a lot of muscle, but I’ve got the gut like those guys do.
My doc tells me that I’d be about right at around 320.
Hope this helps.
[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Ya,
It’s 1g per pound of LEAN BODY MASS. If you’re 400lbs and you hold 200lb of fat, you’ll be fine with 200g/day.
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Well…at six foot six, I dont think I carry that much fat. I’d say I’d I might carry a hundred pounds or so. Certainly not much more than that. Picture Brian Siders, or Glen Ross.
I powerlifted for a very long time and still carry a lot of muscle, but I’ve got the gut like those guys do.
My doc tells me that I’d be about right at around 320.
Hope this helps.[/quote]
You said in the OP that you don’t really have any muscle to lose. Now you say you are carrying a lot? You used to powerlift but you swear by Heavy Duty?
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
Oaklahoma Hoss, write down a food diary of EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE AMOUNTS, that you eat and drink in a week the the amount of $ you spend on the food and drink. dont go crazy on the detail, eg 10 candy bars, instead of 200g of carbs etc. dont be shy about it. after the week, sit down and read it, let it sink in. then come back to us.[/quote]
Well, and again, that’s the thing. My wife shops healthy for the both of us. I dont drink. I don’t smoke. I rarely drink soda or eat junk food like burgers and shit like that. And I’m actually eating less than I did.
Thing is, although I love to lift, I HATE to do cardio. I know I need to do it, but I’m pretty sedentary otherwise, and I’m intelligent enough to have identified this as the main causae of my weight.
Dont get me wrong, I am not obese. You would NEVER guess, by looking at me that I weigh what I do. I dont want you guys thinking that I’m just a big ball of flab waddling in around.
Go to youtube and take a look at the channel for 72grantorino. I put up boxing videos and the occasional rant. You’ll get an idea of how I look.
[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Ya,
It’s 1g per pound of LEAN BODY MASS. If you’re 400lbs and you hold 200lb of fat, you’ll be fine with 200g/day.
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Well…at six foot six, I dont think I carry that much fat. I’d say I’d I might carry a hundred pounds or so. Certainly not much more than that. Picture Brian Siders, or Glen Ross.
I powerlifted for a very long time and still carry a lot of muscle, but I’ve got the gut like those guys do.
My doc tells me that I’d be about right at around 320.
Hope this helps.[/quote]
In you’re OP you said you don’t really have any muscle to lose. Now you say you have a lot? You used to powerlift but you swear by Heavy Duty?
[quote]Alias76 wrote:
[quote]OklahomaHoss wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Ya,
It’s 1g per pound of LEAN BODY MASS. If you’re 400lbs and you hold 200lb of fat, you’ll be fine with 200g/day.
Also, I doubt a 400lb guy would be elgible to do the V-Diet. [/quote]
Well…at six foot six, I dont think I carry that much fat. I’d say I’d I might carry a hundred pounds or so. Certainly not much more than that. Picture Brian Siders, or Glen Ross.
I powerlifted for a very long time and still carry a lot of muscle, but I’ve got the gut like those guys do.
My doc tells me that I’d be about right at around 320.
Hope this helps.[/quote]
You said in the OP that you don’t really have any muscle to lose. Now you say you are carrying a lot? You used to powerlift but you swear by Heavy Duty?
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When I said you have to have it to lose it, I was trying to be self deprecating. Certainly I’m not built like some of these guys on here that look like they could be pro competitors, but I’ve maintained a fair amount of what I’ve built up.
And yes, I powerlifted in college and high school, about 20 years ago. I only found out about Heavy Duty about ten years ago, when I was in my early thirties.
Did anyone bother to take into account that the OP is 6’6" ?
Carrying 400lbs on a 6’6" frame isn’t as bad as what some of you are making it out to be.
you dont look that fat from your face.
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.[/quote]
A 20-something’s metabolism is a lot different than someone in their mid 40s. Cardio is needed in this case considering he’s already said he’s sedentary besides lifting weights.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I don’t necessarily think you have to do a ton of cardio to shed fat. When I am going for fat loss, diet plays the biggest part, more specifically switching to a medium-high fat diet with low or no carbs. I think if you maintain your current lifting regiment, maybe with a few tweaks, but overhaul your diet, you could see significant change.[/quote]
A 20-something’s metabolism is a lot different than someone in their mid 40s. Cardio is needed in this case considering he’s already said he’s sedentary besides lifting weights. [/quote]
I completely agree, I just think that most people try to alter their workout regiment to achieve results while leaving their diet relatively untouched.
heres a crazy idea how about he changes his diet and does cardio.
[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Did anyone bother to take into account that the OP is 6’6" ?
Carrying 400lbs on a 6’6" frame isn’t as bad as what some of you are making it out to be.[/quote]
That changes nothing. You don’t know anything about this guy other than what he has written. My advice, don’t ever become a health professional because if you treated someone based on this much info, you would either end up losing your license or in jail.
Most obese people think they are “carrying more muscle”. Most people have no clue how much fat they need to lose until they have lost it…AND MOST PEOPLE GREATLY UNDERESTIMATE HOW MUCH FAT THEY HAVE TO LOSE…yet you think this guy is looking like a relatively lean power lifter?
Pictures are worth a thousand words, and no one weighing over 400lbs while claiming a needed 100lbs weight loss should be taken only by what is written on the screen without recommending they see a physician before beginning a weight loss plan.
I am also guessing that if he did meet any health issue based on the misguided advice given earlier that NONE of you would be helping him pay his hospital bills even though you have so much to say now.
This guy could possibly be “not so bad” as far as how much fat he is carrying…but not one of you knows this for sure.
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
This doesn’t have to be rocket science:
Phase 1: Eat as much real whole foods as you want! Meats, Quality Carbs, Healthy Fats, Fruits and Veggies. No cheats for 14 days. . .Consume 5 meals a day.
Alan[/quote]
You read only the title didn’t you?