I’m just thinking 10% bodyfat… A good CK Deit with plenty of essential fats, light cardio with BPM under 130 and he won’t lose any muscle, his arms might lose an inch but that’s an inch of fat, It should only take 8 to 10 weeks… He’ll get a mass rebound when he starts bulking again, his testosterone should be higher with less bf converting it to estrogen and he might do better with the ladies…
[quote]Hagar wrote:
I’m just thinking 10% bodyfat… A good CK Deit with plenty of essential fats, light cardio with BPM under 130 and he won’t lose any muscle, his arms might lose an inch but that’s an inch of fat, It should only take 8 to 10 weeks… He’ll get a mass rebound when he starts bulking again, his testosterone should be higher with less bf converting it to estrogen and he might do better with the ladies… [/quote]
I will add, that I’ve been considerably leaning up, maintaining my body wegiht and my strength is still exploding. The only thing different that I did was change all junk food for a protein shake so essentially I’m getting in a lot more protein, less carbs and shitty sugary foods. They look at me crazy when they offer me brownies at home and I refuse. I’d say 95% of what I eat is clean. Arms have gotten a tad bigger, waste is going down, like I said before BW is within a 5 pound range from where I was. So it can be done, losing fat and adding muscle…
As far as this cat, whatever he does is up to him, he’s not fat, nor lean just bulked which is acceptable in my book. I think it’d be pretty pointless to get huge and never be lean, but he is young so he doesn’t have to worry about that anyways. It’s also funny how you get more compliments of “damn you look huge,” when you are leaner and actually smaller than when you’re bulked up from people at school and work and shittt…
Anyway /my hijack. Looking big dude…
Impressive arms there. I was actually going to ask about the forearms until I got to your comment above. I’m not one to do direct forearm work myself, but doing so many heavy back sessions had certainly had an effect. I’m curious what your back workout usually looks like, and it you have any ‘issues’ or things you train around because of your tendon surgery.
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Impressive, FightorFlight.
Out of curiosity: what kind of injury did you have that got repaired by a tendon graft? I’ve had my own, also in December 2005 
I’m impressed and motivated by all those younger athletes stepping forward to showcase their success stories.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Impressive arms there. I was actually going to ask about the forearms until I got to your comment above. I’m not one to do direct forearm work myself, but doing so many heavy back sessions had certainly had an effect. I’m curious what your back workout usually looks like, and it you have any ‘issues’ or things you train around because of your tendon surgery.
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after having the surgery and physical therapy my hand was so weak that I literally couldnâ??t squeeze silly putty. Anything that I squeezed caused severe pain. When I came down to lifting again, once I was cleared, I couldnâ??t grip anything and it affected every lift that I did.
For curling exercises the tendon would get â??caughtâ?? where it just shoot pain and I couldnâ??t let go and in some cases just had to instantly try to drop whatever I was holding and scream a little. The worse part was back though. All of the back exercises were hard. And most of them I could do, but I used straps for everything or I just couldnâ??t go heavy enough to make a difference.
The worst thing that it affected was pull-ups, dead lifts, and cleans. It took me 2 years before I could attempt a single pull-up without feeling like I was tearing my hand apart. It has really affected everything, but these days I have improved my strength and the pain is mostly gone. I still will pick up my weight on bench days and somedays the weight of the bar on the palm of my hand causes me to rerack, take a breather, and start over.
My tendon will still catch and ill drop a weight and cringe a little. But for the most part the pain is gone and I actually have worked so hard on my left hands strength that it might be as strong as my right or even a little stronger.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Impressive arms there. I was actually going to ask about the forearms until I got to your comment above. I’m not one to do direct forearm work myself, but doing so many heavy back sessions had certainly had an effect. I’m curious what your back workout usually looks like, and it you have any ‘issues’ or things you train around because of your tendon surgery.
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As for my back day I recently started dead lifting again. I partially tore my right quad last November and took a long time off from deadlifts because pulling the weight up my thigh was pretty rough. I start my day with heavy deadlifts. My max right now is 505, but thatâ??s not too upsetting since I really have only deadlifted a total of maybe 8 or 9 times in the last year. Then its pull-ups.
Pull ups are my biggest weakness when it comes to back. Mainly because I went so long without doing them at all that when I started I was terrible and im still not good at them. If I am doing them unweighted I do 50. Regardless of how many sets that takes thatâ??s my goal. If im doing them weighted then I base my sets and reps around the weight. After that it kinda depends on how I feel.
Maybe:
barbell bent over rows up to 315 or so
and/or its single arm dumbbell rows. I like to work up to 195 which is usually for 4 or 5
anything else could be lat pulldown. I like how they feel
cable rows
lat flyes
straight arm lat pulldown
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Impressive, FightorFlight.
Out of curiosity: what kind of injury did you have that got repaired by a tendon graft? I’ve had my own, also in December 2005
I’m impressed and motivated by all those younger athletes stepping forward to showcase their success stories.
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i tore my tendon in a practice in week 4 of the football season season. they often call an injury like mine jersey finger surgey. but being young and stupid i had coach tape it and played the rest of the season. by the end it didnt bother me, pain wise, too much but i couldnt move my finger and the muscle had coiled into my palm and it still hurt a lot. i put it off hoping it would heal and it would have eventually, but i wouldnt have had the use of my finger. my doctor eventually urged me to have the surgery because im from farm territory in northern indiana and he was convinced since my nerve was damaged and that i couldnt move the finger that i would eventually get it caught in machinery or an accident and lose the finger completely.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
I’m just thinking 10% bodyfat… A good CK Deit with plenty of essential fats, light cardio with BPM under 130 and he won’t lose any muscle, his arms might lose an inch but that’s an inch of fat, It should only take 8 to 10 weeks… He’ll get a mass rebound when he starts bulking again, his testosterone should be higher with less bf converting it to estrogen and he might do better with the ladies… [/quote]
I understand where you are comming from. and you look great by the way, but right now i have a gym close to me and i have less than year left before i graduate from butler university, so for now being heafty is fine because i have managed my time in a way i can lift hard and i dont worry too much about the diet. Once i graduate and get a real job and have a lil more money to spend on a diet im sure ill start eating better and will probably cut down.
and as for the ladies im a lucky guy already. going on 3 years with a beautiful woman in pharmacy school. i hit the lottery with her. lol
[quote]FightorFlight wrote:
Hagar wrote:
I’m just thinking 10% bodyfat… A good CK Deit with plenty of essential fats, light cardio with BPM under 130 and he won’t lose any muscle, his arms might lose an inch but that’s an inch of fat, It should only take 8 to 10 weeks… He’ll get a mass rebound when he starts bulking again, his testosterone should be higher with less bf converting it to estrogen and he might do better with the ladies…
I understand where you are comming from. and you look great by the way, but right now i have a gym close to me and i have less than year left before i graduate from butler university, so for now being heafty is fine because i have managed my time in a way i can lift hard and i dont worry too much about the diet. Once i graduate and get a real job and have a lil more money to spend on a diet im sure ill start eating better and will probably cut down.
and as for the ladies im a lucky guy already. going on 3 years with a beautiful woman in pharmacy school. i hit the lottery with her. lol[/quote]
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!![/quote]
Yeah man, All the hotties think big arms are just GAH-ROSS, and much prefer it if you’re tiny but sportin’ the HAWT ABS -lol
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[quote]FightorFlight wrote:
and as for the ladies im a lucky guy already. going on 3 years with a beautiful woman in pharmacy school. i hit the lottery with her. lol[/quote]
Well fuck it, I’d be eating burrito’s and drinking beer every day if I were you…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!![/quote]
not only is she smart and beautiful, but i met her in the weightroom my freshman year of college. we lifted together for 6 months before we began to date. she has been my main spotter for around 3 years. i normally lift 5 to 6 days a week and she is in the weight room everyday that i am. and if i have a bad day or am tired and want to nap or skip she drags my ass in, and vice versa. im truly lucky.
Looks like wife material bro. Congrats.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!![/quote]
I know, It’s crazy of me to think that a lot women would be more attracted to leaner guys… I must be one of the few out there that attracts better looking women when I’m leaner…
Are you pissed that I don’t see everything your way? I just make a suggestion and you just have get in there with a BS reason to say my advice is bad… Losing some body fat will hold back his progress, where did you get that idea? So you gotta divert attention to dodge the original disagreement. I think your trying to make me look stupid, maybe so you can rein as the dominant poster on T-Nation? What makes your advice on bodybuilding so much better than mine?
Interested to see where this convo leads…
you’re missing the point, bro.
Your advice holds just as much merit as what the other side is saying, but the point being made is that at the OP’s stage of development its not as black and white - its UP TO the OP to decide what he wants to do at this point. He’s not in danger of an out-of-control bulk if he decides to keep adding size with a caloric surplus, and at the same time, losing some fat would also be a good idea.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
Professor X wrote:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!!
I know, It’s crazy of me to think that a lot women would be more attracted to leaner guys… I must be one of the few out there that attracts better looking women when I’m leaner…
Are you pissed that I don’t see everything your way? I just make a suggestion and you just have get in there with a BS reason to say my advice is bad… Losing some body fat will hold back his progress, where did you get that idea? So you gotta divert attention to dodge the original disagreement. I think your trying to make me look stupid, maybe so you can rein as the dominant poster on T-Nation? What makes your advice on bodybuilding so much better than mine?
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[quote]Hagar wrote:
Professor X wrote:
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
There is no way women like guys who are over 10% body fat! That is just so insane that I can not believe you implied that guys over 10 can still have sex!
PREPOSTEROUS!!!
I know, It’s crazy of me to think that a lot women would be more attracted to leaner guys… I must be one of the few out there that attracts better looking women when I’m leaner…
Are you pissed that I don’t see everything your way? I just make a suggestion and you just have get in there with a BS reason to say my advice is bad… Losing some body fat will hold back his progress, where did you get that idea? So you gotta divert attention to dodge the original disagreement. I think your trying to make me look stupid, maybe so you can rein as the dominant poster on T-Nation? What makes your advice on bodybuilding so much better than mine?
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Trying to make you look stupid? Look, one thing I have learned on this site is that all you have to do is let people keep talking by giving them enough to respond to, and those without a firm base in either what they believe in or what is actually true will hang themselves with very little effort on my part.
I don’t have to “TRY” to do anything and I even complimented your own development early on especially at your current age. But hey, if that wasn’t nice enough, fuck it. I can play rough too.
FightorFlight has made outstanding progress in the time he has been lifting. There are guys who claim to have been training for 10+ years who haven’t built themselves up to his current size, so how the hell is he being held back by NOT dieting at this point?
You made some bullshit reference to testosterone levels…mind you, you are speaking to someone with more likely medical education and background than yourself…so I know if I asked you to prove that a patient has lower testosterone at say, “18%” body fat as opposed to “10%” body fat, you would be at a great loss.
Small differences in body fat (excluding examples of extreme obesity) do not have some devastating effect on hormone levels. This guy is NOT obese.
I can tell you from personal experience that I would more than likely be much less muscular than I am now if I had listened to every parrot who told me to diet even back when I was just 200lbs or less.
For EXTREME development, pushing your body to break past weight set points is going to be necessary for many weight lifters unless they are EXTREMELY genetically gifted.
That means his course of action is not wrong if his goal is to get even bigger and leaner in the long run than he is now…unless steroids come into the equation which do allow lifters to gain significantly more muscle while also remaining much leaner at all times.
Obviously genetics play a very important role here as well but if your claim is that the OP is in danger if hindering his own progress by not dieting now, it is now upon you to show this to be the case.
Have at it.
While i don’t believe everyone shoudl be too freaked out over being super lean when they are growing…i do feel you should never be to a point where you can’t discern any seperation at all between the bicep and tricep. I bulked to 300 plus in my growing years and was what i would consider pretty fat but with my arm flexed there was still signifigant seperation in the muscles…i would think it was and is the same with you X.
I get what you are saying but i think some of these guys read what you say and then just use it as an excuse to be sloppy. You have to be holding some pretty serious lard before all detail disapears from the upper arm.
I agree with what you are saying morepain. It looks like has an excess of fat, and that he can cut quite a bit off without getting to the point of being too lean. Prof x, what is your opinion on optimal bf% for bulking without having an excess? There is always a limit, and there has to be a point of diminishing returns.
[quote]morepain wrote:
While i don’t believe everyone shoudl be too freaked out over being super lean when they are growing…i do feel you should never be to a point where you can’t discern any seperation at all between the bicep and tricep. I bulked to 300 plus in my growing years and was what i would consider pretty fat but with my arm flexed there was still signifigant seperation in the muscles…i would think it was and is the same with you X.
I get what you are saying but i think some of these guys read what you say and then just use it as an excuse to be sloppy. You have to be holding some pretty serious lard before all detail disapears from the upper arm. [/quote]
I don’t disagree with you overall. The goal is not to become obese or let yourself get truly sloppy…even though most of the really big guys on the planet will tell you that they have done that at least once before…yet they all for some reason seem to think it holds no weight at all as far as their own progress.
My current condition is about as fat as I want to get…and I have posted pics as recent as last August where I believe I was holding a tad more body fat.
As far as how people read my posts, that has actually improved. They used to act as if I was telling everyone to eat nothing but cheeseburgers all day.