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[quote]derek wrote:
DPH wrote:
you did mention in another thread that if you saw someone burning a U.S.A. flag you would kick the shit out of the person/persons that were responsible for burning the flag…

Did you miss where I wrote that I’d use any means necessary? And that I THEN got into an argument where someone decided I must have actually meant I’d kill someone that did it simply because I used the phrase “any means”.

That type of asinine debate does not fly with me. And people telling everyone here what I was really thinking when I wrote what I wrote is equally moronic.

PS I WOULD absolutely kick someones ass if that’s what it took to stop them from burning Old Glory. You better believe it.

(Now is the time you can call me a “tough-guy” or “hard-ass” or whatever.)

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It’s a symbol to you, but it’s THEIR property. You’d kick their ass for burning something of theirs? Now THAT’S asinine.

Let’s say I’m a big fan of Dodge and everything their company stands for, then I see you in your back yard hitting your own Dodge truck with a bat, or melting a Dodge symbol with a torch.

Do I have the right to come and use any means necessary to kick your ass because you’re defacing something that’s a symbol of something I feel strongly about? I’m guessing no. Giving that same scenario, I would, and should go to jail or be sued for assault and battery.

I don’t like flag burning either, but beating someone up over it (unless it’s your flag) is just as childish as beating someone up over hurting your feelings.

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[quote]derek wrote:
DPH wrote:
you did mention in another thread that if you saw someone burning a U.S.A. flag you would kick the shit out of the person/persons that were responsible for burning the flag…

Did you miss where I wrote that I’d use any means necessary? And that I THEN got into an argument where someone decided I must have actually meant I’d kill someone that did it simply because I used the phrase “any means”.

That type of asinine debate does not fly with me. And people telling everyone here what I was really thinking when I wrote what I wrote is equally moronic.

PS I WOULD absolutely kick someones ass if that’s what it took to stop them from burning Old Glory. You better believe it.

(Now is the time you can call me a “tough-guy” or “hard-ass” or whatever.)

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I am currently burning old glory in your honor internet tough guy…my guess is that if you saw me doing it you would do absolutely nothing about it…

you sure are tough on the internet!

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[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
It’s a symbol to you, but it’s THEIR property. You’d kick their ass for burning something of theirs? Now THAT’S asinine.

Let’s say I’m a big fan of Dodge and everything their company stands for, then I see you in your back yard hitting your own Dodge truck with a bat, or melting a Dodge symbol with a torch.

Do I have the right to come and use any means necessary to kick your ass because you’re defacing something that’s a symbol of something I feel strongly about? I’m guessing no. Giving that same scenario, I would, and should go to jail or be sued for assault and battery.

I don’t like flag burning either, but beating someone up over it (unless it’s your flag) is just as childish as beating someone up over hurting your feelings.[/quote]

Sorry for contributing to this hijack…but I don’t think a Dodge is a good analogy to incite the level of emotion we’re talking about.

What if the symbol were something more personal to you? What if that somebody owned a picture of your parents or your children and decided (for whatever reason) to burn it in front of you to make a statement?

Yes, that somebody happens to “own” the photograph, but would you be willing to just turn away from such a demonstration? Just wondering where you would draw the line…

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[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Whats the purpose of doing power cleans and presses for 17 reps? Try cleaining 185kg and maybe I’ll give you props.[/quote]

always alway have those haters…nevertheless your numbers are impressive i’m gonna to give it a shot though i doubt i will get to that my best lifts are deadlift and squats haven’t done cleans in ages

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with all the talk about fighting i’m reminded of this quote

A good general can defeat his enemies 100 times in 100 battles, a great general can defeat his enemy before the battle begins —sun tzu the art of war

His point was to win without even throwing a punch

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[quote]TeeVee69 wrote:
Sorry for contributing to this hijack…but I don’t think a Dodge is a good analogy to incite the level of emotion we’re talking about.

What if the symbol were something more personal to you? What if that somebody owned a picture of your parents or your children and decided (for whatever reason) to burn it in front of you to make a statement?

Yes, that somebody happens to “own” the photograph, but would you be willing to just turn away from such a demonstration? Just wondering where you would draw the line…[/quote]

My appologies as well about the hijack, but I just wanted to throw out here that a picture of my daughter is the EXACT analogy I used in a ‘flag burning’ thread earlier. I should have stuck with that analogy.

Yes, I also defend another person’s right to burn a picture of my daughter, as long as it’s his or her picture.

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Derek,

That was stupid, she risked her life for a pocket book… A fucking pocket book! Grow up man, you know nothing about combat and yet you speak like you’re some kind of soldier in training for the big day.

And to every one else posting about kicking ass, what the hell is the point? If you look for fights then you’re an idios/idiot. Period. And standing up to trash talk, with your fist is looking for fights; if you needed clarification. One day all of your MMA training and attitude will put you in an over confident mindset picking a fight with a grumpy vet who will snap and kill your stupid punk ass. Yes kill, think about the word, it isn’t used to intimidate, it’s real. And if you don’t look for fights then you have no need to egg a moron on.

Rolo.

Ps. I have been in combat and I train MMA. I have respect for MMA and practitioners like Xen Nova who were punks (if I may offer an opinion without judgment, as I was a punk too) and turned things around to use MMA as a discipline and sport. I love seeing and being in fights, but controlled, for a belt or money. It’s the street thug gangsta type wanna be that needs a fucking reality check.

[quote]derek wrote:
pja wrote:
You cut out the relevant part of your original quote which I was talking about…and quoted. With regards to the muggings etc…if someone wants to take my money I’m not going fight him for it. That’s just stupid. He can have my money,my shoes anything…except my wife. Then he gets a fight.

I cut out the relevant part? Which part exactly?

Preferring to NOT fight is nice.

Wanting to avoid confrontation is even better. The problem arises when we find ourselves with no other course of action BUT to resist regardless of what we “want” to do. What then?

“Preparing for battle” every day for the rest of your life is worth every ounce of sweat. The one day you need the ability but do not posess it is a day I’d rather avoid.

Anything less is turning a blind eye to reality. For instance…

A have a client. Female, turning 54 in January. On a business trip to Philly, she was mugged (attempted). She was able to fight off her attacker and hang on to her pocketbook even while he dragged her with it across an entire street corner.

You can call THIS stupid as well but the point here is that “you never know” what might happen to you and when.

PS You forgot to tell me where I mentioned my OWN abilities. Hmmm. Imagine that![/quote]

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[quote]derek wrote:

I cut out the relevant part? Which part exactly?
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This part dumbass…
“This is a concept that few seem to grasp (or maybe ass-kicking ability is of no concern).”

Stop playing dumb. You knew what exactly what I was speaking to. Also your comments were such that one would imply from them that you seem to think that your own badass abilities rate up there Rambo. I’m glad your a tough guy…hope that helps you make a living for your family.

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And it’s not THAT dangerous in America. I live in the ghetto projects and it’s fine, never had a problem.

Damn, I forgot how it feels to do clean&presses. I used to be able to get 9reps with 160lb cleanly(I don’t have a barbell these days and my d-bells aren’t heavy enough). If you use this as a shock technique it’s just too much pain, like a meat-grinder. Everything hurts, even your hair.

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[quote]derek wrote:
DPH wrote:
you did mention in another thread that if you saw someone burning a U.S.A. flag you would kick the shit out of the person/persons that were responsible for burning the flag…

Did you miss where I wrote that I’d use any means necessary? And that I THEN got into an argument where someone decided I must have actually meant I’d kill someone that did it simply because I used the phrase “any means”.

That type of asinine debate does not fly with me. And people telling everyone here what I was really thinking when I wrote what I wrote is equally moronic.

PS I WOULD absolutely kick someones ass if that’s what it took to stop them from burning Old Glory. You better believe it.

(Now is the time you can call me a “tough-guy” or “hard-ass” or whatever.)

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NO TALKING SHIT!
NO FALSE BRAVADO!
JUST MATTER OF FACT!

You forgot that part. Just thought I’d help out:)

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Wait how old are you?..I’m 168lbs 5’7 and 3/8ths, 16 years old…and I got the 185lbs for 5 5 reps onlyyy. I must try harder next time!!

I basicallly never clean and press either ( i know, i know)…buttt I’m going to practice it now, I wanna try that 17 times, it’d be sweet. I’m gona shoot for 10 reps in 2 weeks :).

dl-

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[quote]derek wrote:

Anything less is turning a blind eye to reality. For instance…

A have a client. Female, turning 54 in January. On a business trip to Philly, she was mugged (attempted). She was able to fight off her attacker and hang on to her pocketbook even while he dragged her with it across an entire street corner.

You can call THIS stupid as well but the point here is that “you never know” what might happen to you and when.

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This IS stupid.

You surely wouldn’t be using the same example if your client resisted and got her head split open like a watermelon.

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Yeah basically with that client thing, the mugger wasn’t a very good mugger. If the mugger grabs something of yours, and you resist…it’s either knife, or pipe…knife to the leg, stomach…whatever, pipe to the head. Your downn, got your stuff. Now unlesss you have your own little weapons on you at all times, then it’s a whole different story.

dl-

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[quote]derek wrote:
DPH wrote:

PS I WOULD absolutely kick someones ass if that’s what it took to stop them from burning Old Glory. You better believe it.

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I would burn “old glory” right in front of your face and laugh because you wouldn’t do crap.

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[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Whats the purpose of doing power cleans and presses for 17 reps? Try cleaining 185kg and maybe I’ll give you props.

always alway have those haters…nevertheless your numbers are impressive i’m gonna to give it a shot though i doubt i will get to that my best lifts are deadlift and squats haven’t done cleans in ages[/quote]

I thought I made it clear that my question was of true curiosity. And I was not “hating”, I was giving my point of view.

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You guys are absolutely BRILLIANT!

  1. Actually you are exactly backwards… It’d make my point stronger, dummy.

The story of a client of mine was made to show how anything can happen to anyone at any time… so be prepared. Not to tell everyone how brave she was. Duh.

  1. Yes, I’d do what I could to stop the flag burning. If I get in over my head and get MY ass kicked so be it. At least I’d stand up for something. Even if protecting the symbol of my country and fallen countrymen is silly to you.

[quote]
I would burn “old glory” right in front of your face and laugh because you wouldn’t do crap.[/quote]

  1. Anyone who’d threaten to burn a flag in front of me in order to start a fight is no better than what you are accusing ME of… Again, stupid.

Speaking of threats, when exactly did I threaten to do anyone here harm? I believe we were speaking of flag burners. I can see plenty of people here talking trash directly to me which is funny because I hadn’t. And yet you call me an “internet toughguy”.

So, yes, I would use whatever means appropriate to stop a flag burner… if it happens to be one of you and I get my ass kicked… Congratulations.

Was THAT non-threatening enough?

You guys sure do get worked up easily.

Again, where exactly did I talk about my “badass abilities”? Rambo? Man you really need to stretch to make a point huh?

Have I even said that I am a great fighter? Anywhere? Ever? The answer is no. I only said what I’d do in a given situation. Never even said if I’d win! Good try though.

So let me get this straight… Standing up (even with fists if need be) makes you an internet toughguy.

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[quote]dl- wrote:
Wait how old are you?..I’m 168lbs 5’7 and 3/8ths, 16 years old…and I got the 185lbs for 5 5 reps onlyyy. I must try harder next time!!

I basicallly never clean and press either ( i know, i know)…buttt I’m going to practice it now, I wanna try that 17 times, it’d be sweet. I’m gona shoot for 10 reps in 2 weeks :).

dl-[/quote]

I’m 28, been lifting since I was about 14, seriously for about 4 years now. I’m genetically small, small boned etc. If I didn’t lift I’d be about 140.

185 x 5 @ your weight and age is SWEET!! Congrats man!

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A quick aside…

My best friend Dave stands 5’-5" and 140 lbs. About the farthest thing from what you guys would call a “toughguy”. In a discussion of the flag burning issue he confided that he could not stand by and allow someone to burn the American flag. That he’d have to do what he could to stop it even if it meant a fight.

Another Rambo I guess.

Plus, 3 or 4 times per week I get “lunch” at my wifes breakfast joint, I always sit at the table with the old vets. All but one have served in WW2. They tell me they’d “kick ass” if a flag was burned in thier presence and they were excited a “kid” (35 y/o) felt as strongly as I did about it. That there was someone from a younger generation willing to fight to protect a symbol that they risked thier lives for overseas.

Believe me, having these guys say they are proud of me means more than any BS that you guys could throw at me.

I’m glad THESE guys are my inspiration and not some of you.

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[quote]derek wrote:
You guys are absolutely BRILLIANT!

You surely wouldn’t be using the same example if your client resisted and got her head split open like a watermelon

  1. Actually you are exactly backwards… It’d make my point stronger, dummy.

The story of a client of mine was made to show how anything can happen to anyone at any time… so be prepared. Not to tell everyone how brave she was. Duh.

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Do you backpedal out of every statement you make?

Everybody in their right mind knows anything can happen to anybody. You chose to illustrate with a story were your 54 year old female client resisted and prevailed. Was this to tell people to be prepared? Prepared to do what? Your client could have placed herself in MUCH greater jeopardy by fighting back. Understandable, if she was in physical danger, otherwise not so much.

So, genius, tell me again how it would make your point stronger if she was raped or killed.
You may not be aware of this, but there actually are more severe outcomes to violent street encounters than black-eyes and busted lips.
I don’t wish you, or anybody, any harm, but your “jump in swingin’” attitude may get you seriously injured one day if you keep it up. Hope it’s worth it.

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[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Mad Titan wrote:
rholdnr wrote:
Whats the purpose of doing power cleans and presses for 17 reps? Try cleaining 185kg and maybe I’ll give you props.

always alway have those haters…nevertheless your numbers are impressive i’m gonna to give it a shot though i doubt i will get to that my best lifts are deadlift and squats haven’t done cleans in ages

I thought I made it clear that my question was of true curiosity. And I was not “hating”, I was giving my point of view.[/quote]

the last sentence said it all “try cleaning 185kg and I will give you props” and it would appear i’m not the only person that saw the way i did. This being said I’m sticking with my original conclusion about your statement.

by the way I could only muster 5 reps with that weight i worked up to that weight starting with 145 (i weigh 177lbs by the way)it gives something to look forward to getting good at. my two best lifts are squats and deadlift. squats i can squat 495 for 3 reps on my last set (5 sets) and deadlift 400 for 6 reps on my last set (5)