But they don’t compete in weightlifting is what he is saying.
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
But they don’t compete in weightlifting is what he is saying.[/quote]
O RLY???
If an NFL player is, well, playing in the NFL he can’t concentrate as heavily on weightlifting if he were to compete. In any case, USA isn’t winning medals at a level USA weightlifting fans are happy with and they seem to be blaming it on the fact that a majority of their top athletes choose to specialize in big name sports because they get paid very well to play these sports, seemingly hurting their performance in other sport domains on the international level.
At least that’s what I understand.
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
If an NFL player is, well, playing in the NFL he can’t concentrate as heavily on weightlifting if he were to compete. In any case, USA isn’t winning medals at a level USA weightlifting fans are happy with and they seem to be blaming it on the fact that a majority of their top athletes choose to specialize in big name sports because they get paid very well to play these sports, seemingly hurting their performance in other sport domains on the international level.
At least that’s what I understand.[/quote]
I thought I was the one not explaining it right.
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
If an NFL player is, well, playing in the NFL he can’t concentrate as heavily on weightlifting if he were to compete. In any case, USA isn’t winning medals at a level USA weightlifting fans are happy with and they seem to be blaming it on the fact that a majority of their top athletes choose to specialize in big name sports because they get paid very well to play these sports, seemingly hurting their performance in other sport domains on the international level.
At least that’s what I understand.[/quote]
Well i guess that makes football “weightlifters” smart too.
lol idk, I always hear guys complain about weightlifting sucking in the USA and strength athletes going to the NFL and that’s how I understand it, that they view the NFL as taking their best athletes away
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
lol idk, I always hear guys complain about weightlifting sucking in the USA and strength athletes going to the NFL and that’s how I understand it, that they view the NFL as taking their best athletes away[/quote]
Theres definitley some truth to that. When it comes down to it…go to the NFL and make millions or chase a dream that might only yield enough capital to “get by”.
Money makes the world go around.
Funny that u notice strength athletes going to the NFL. Another big jump alot of pros are making these days is from NFL to the UFC…or another MMA leauge. Obviously there arent many prime players crossing over. But alot of has been NFL guys have been taking their shot at mixed martial arts. Not so much for the money it seems, but more as if they still have somthing to prove.
Well, another reason guys may be attracted to MMA so much is because:
it’s all about “me” and not about “we”, for all your effort the spotlight shines on you and only you, for some guys who played on teams and perhaps felt they didn’t get enough attention, MMA would surely remedy that, that and not having to put up with primma dona team mates and the likes. I can definitely see the appeal of MMA.
Actually, most football players don’t Weightlift, in that they don’t do Olympic style weightlifting. Some might have earlier in college, but at the NFL level, most don’t. I’ve never heard of an NFL player at an Olympic lifting meet, either.
The idea that the NFL is stealing all of America’s weightlifting talent is a little bogus, since most guys in the NFL are 200+ lbs, which means they’d be in the heavy weight or superheavy weight classes, only 2 of the 8 possible men’s classes. Maybe the NFL is taking a lot of our big guy talent, but it sure isn’t stealing our little guy talent.
[quote]Geebus wrote:
New squat PR! This guy is a beast.
That is just phenomenal. Beau Moore won the heavyweight category at the Raw Unity Meet this weekend, and he squatted 771lb. This monster has just done that without a belt, presumably without peaking for a competition in which the squat is a contested lift, and at the age of 18.
I wish I was strong.
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Actually, most football players don’t Weightlift, in that they don’t do Olympic style weightlifting. Some might have earlier in college, but at the NFL level, most don’t. I’ve never heard of an NFL player at an Olympic lifting meet, either.
The idea that the NFL is stealing all of America’s weightlifting talent is a little bogus, since most guys in the NFL are 200+ lbs, which means they’d be in the heavy weight or superheavy weight classes, only 2 of the 8 possible men’s classes. Maybe the NFL is taking a lot of our big guy talent, but it sure isn’t stealing our little guy talent.[/quote]
my implication was that this dude is a beast and should be drafted cuz he cold obviously level dudes. Not that the NFL is stealing power/olympic lifters.
Impressive. I hope he sticks to it and don’t burn out.
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Actually, most football players don’t Weightlift, in that they don’t do Olympic style weightlifting. Some might have earlier in college, but at the NFL level, most don’t. I’ve never heard of an NFL player at an Olympic lifting meet, either.
The idea that the NFL is stealing all of America’s weightlifting talent is a little bogus, since most guys in the NFL are 200+ lbs, which means they’d be in the heavy weight or superheavy weight classes, only 2 of the 8 possible men’s classes. Maybe the NFL is taking a lot of our big guy talent, but it sure isn’t stealing our little guy talent.[/quote]
The point, athletes in other countries, who exhibit an early aptitude for power and strength get funnled into football here. If football didn’t exist more of these athletes would naturally gravitate towards WL, and the throwing disciplines of track and field. Which explains why Europe dominates in those sports and we don’t. Their small fast athletes do soccer or trac, their big powerful athletes lift, or shot put, our plays in the NFL
[quote]pmg123 wrote:
The point, athletes in other countries, who exhibit an early aptitude for power and strength get funnled into football here. If football didn’t exist more of these athletes would naturally gravitate towards WL, and the throwing disciplines of track and field. Which explains why Europe dominates in those sports and we don’t. Their small fast athletes do soccer or trac, their big powerful athletes lift, or shot put, our plays in the NFL[/quote]
I feel like you completely missed what I said. Weightlifting is a -weight class- sport. Europe’s small, fast athletes ALSO do weightlifting. Football doesn’t really take our small, fast athletes. Yes, it may hurt our heavier weightclasses (94, 105, 105+), but it doesn’t have as much of an impact on our lower weight class guys.
It’s easy to forget that weightlifters are not all big people. Many are tiny, but still hideously strong and powerful.
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Actually, most football players don’t Weightlift, in that they don’t do Olympic style weightlifting. Some might have earlier in college, but at the NFL level, most don’t. I’ve never heard of an NFL player at an Olympic lifting meet, either.
The idea that the NFL is stealing all of America’s weightlifting talent is a little bogus, since most guys in the NFL are 200+ lbs, which means they’d be in the heavy weight or superheavy weight classes, only 2 of the 8 possible men’s classes. Maybe the NFL is taking a lot of our big guy talent, but it sure isn’t stealing our little guy talent.[/quote]
my implication was that this dude is a beast and should be drafted cuz he cold obviously level dudes. Not that the NFL is stealing power/olympic lifters.[/quote]
i don’t agree with that. I coached football for 8 years and have trained athletes from 28 sports. Even in a strength/power dominated sport like football, strength and power in the gym is not synonymous with on-field success.
Speed, agility, skill, game vision and body leverages all play equally important roles.
YES there are tons of VERY strong pro and college football players. But there is also plenty of “weak” (by high level olympic or power lifting standards) even among the big guys. There is also a lot of physical freaks who can lift the equivalent of a small house who don’t even start in high school!
My point is that JUST because you are super strong doesn’t mean that you will be a great ball player. If strength was enough, the top powerlifters and US strongmen like Phil Pfister, Derek Poundstone and Kaz back in the days would be making millions in the NFL.
It is also true that in the US the most gifted athletes are often funneled to football. So when we consider that fact, it’s normal to find a few guys who are lifting phenoms among pro football players.
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
[quote]pmg123 wrote:
The point, athletes in other countries, who exhibit an early aptitude for power and strength get funnled into football here. If football didn’t exist more of these athletes would naturally gravitate towards WL, and the throwing disciplines of track and field. Which explains why Europe dominates in those sports and we don’t. Their small fast athletes do soccer or trac, their big powerful athletes lift, or shot put, our plays in the NFL[/quote]
I feel like you completely missed what I said. Weightlifting is a -weight class- sport. Europe’s small, fast athletes ALSO do weightlifting. Football doesn’t really take our small, fast athletes. Yes, it may hurt our heavier weightclasses (94, 105, 105+), but it doesn’t have as much of an impact on our lower weight class guys.
It’s easy to forget that weightlifters are not all big people. Many are tiny, but still hideously strong and powerful. [/quote]
I did get your point. It’s easy to forget that not everyone who participates in football is 100+ kg either. My point, and probably others is that from an early age, young athletes who show a natural ability towards power and strength often get funnelled into football. So while in Eastern European countries athletes in their teens and ealy 20’s are focusing on WL, our young athletes are training to be Wide Recievers, Running Backs, Line Backer, and Lineman. Is football tying up our 55 kilo athletes? Probably not, but many high level football players in the 16-23 age range are in between 77 and 95kg’s and focusing on football, not weightlifting. When I was a teen I learned the Olympic lifts to excel at track, but most of the lifters were football players, who used lifting solely to excel at football, and never intended to compete. Many did not learn the snatch.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
Actually, most football players don’t Weightlift, in that they don’t do Olympic style weightlifting. Some might have earlier in college, but at the NFL level, most don’t. I’ve never heard of an NFL player at an Olympic lifting meet, either.
The idea that the NFL is stealing all of America’s weightlifting talent is a little bogus, since most guys in the NFL are 200+ lbs, which means they’d be in the heavy weight or superheavy weight classes, only 2 of the 8 possible men’s classes. Maybe the NFL is taking a lot of our big guy talent, but it sure isn’t stealing our little guy talent.[/quote]
my implication was that this dude is a beast and should be drafted cuz he cold obviously level dudes. Not that the NFL is stealing power/olympic lifters.[/quote]
i don’t agree with that. I coached football for 8 years and have trained athletes from 28 sports. Even in a strength/power dominated sport like football, strength and power in the gym is not synonymous with on-field success.
Speed, agility, skill, game vision and body leverages all play equally important roles.
YES there are tons of VERY strong pro and college football players. But there is also plenty of “weak” (by high level olympic or power lifting standards) even among the big guys. There is also a lot of physical freaks who can lift the equivalent of a small house who don’t even start in high school!
My point is that JUST because you are super strong doesn’t mean that you will be a great ball player. If strength was enough, the top powerlifters and US strongmen like Phil Pfister, Derek Poundstone and Kaz back in the days would be making millions in the NFL.
It is also true that in the US the most gifted athletes are often funneled to football. So when we consider that fact, it’s normal to find a few guys who are lifting phenoms among pro football players.
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Thib,
As a fellow S&C coach, I too agree with this. Many people equate absolute strength with superior on the field prowess. While it’s true some football players are tremendesouly strong in the weight room, some are not. Having a huge squat does correlate to elite status in the NFL. I would argue agility and timing are more likely to predict performance than 1RM squat.
could be the next rezazadeh…USA olympic lifting is in the same position like its olympic boxing.everyone are chasing greener pastures and more money.