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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

Yea, right.

You are just another faceless, pathetic piece of shit with a huge fucking mouth when you are safely anonymous.

Piss off. [/quote]

have you run out of twinkies fat man? why are you so upset?

you have been a member here for years and look like a fat POS. your comments are exactly the same as your son artem “post pics like me.” dude you should be fucking embarassed by your pics and hiding them under the bed, not posting them of your own free will lol.

you are one of the worst here for your “full house” bullshit. you look like a slob. no doubt you like walking around like “the big guy” with your chest out and ILS. the reality is you look like a fat guy who MAYBE lifts weights, not a bodybuilder in any way. most people probably think you are just a fat construction worker.

you are another fool who like to say “im 260lbs” or whatever. yeah man but those aint 260 muscular pounds.

anyway, we both clearly wanna carry this on so meet me in the combat forum in 20 minutes and il throw down with you motherfucker im serious!

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Sorry for having an opinion on how I would maintain my own body. I should let the professor deem what is acceptable and unacceptable for how I look and feel.

Eh - it’s not that you can’t have an opinion on how you personally maintain your body, but it’s more of the overall, judgemental prickishness you’ve shown throughout this thread. You know, the snide, obnoxious “wow” when a pic was posted that you deemed was not up to your standards. Shit like that.

In other words, it sounds a lot less like you’re trying to give earnest advice and more like your lording superiority over those who have not managed to achieve your level and balance of leanness/size.

That said, you do have a great physique. Maybe you should try not being such a dick about it…

[/quote]

The snide remarks came after I tried to explain my points repeatedly. I can only tolerate so much. I tried to give my advice and I was attacked for it, that is why the OP and I have been exchanging PM’s ever since. So clearly he didn’t find me too offensive. I only have to be a dick when people assume that they know everything and that there is only one way to do things, both of which are not the case. When people are telling me that I am “wrong” for how I would manage my own body then how do you expect me to respond? Question my advice all you like but I think I know a thing or two and my initial intention was to make sure the OP continued cautiously.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Yeah man keep eating, everyone that gets big has to gain a ton of fat. It’s a T-Nation rule!

Read more closely. No one has ever advocated that.

No thanks. You can read more closely and then take a look at that kids picture who clearly takes advice from people on this site.

Oh, you mean the advice that included telling him that he needs to clean up his diet?

People like you miss the point equally as well as the people who think the goal is to gain as much fat as possible or with complete disregard for whether the majority of the gain is actually lean body mass.

Not one person here who is respected for their opinion is telling people to gain fat for no reason…yet guys like you continue to claim that is what is being said.

Why is that?

Obviously no one is going to blatantly say “gain a ton of fat”. However, the broad advice given, when applied incorrectly, can lead to Artem’s picture where he is showing off his huge new guns. Then people follow up with “awesome bro”, “keep eating”, etc etc. All I ever said was that if I, THAT MEANS ME AND ME ALONE, were that size I would lean out. Sorry for having an opinion on how I would maintain my own body. I should let the professor deem what is acceptable and unacceptable for how I look and feel. [/quote]

Wait a second, so because some people could possibly take the info the wrong way, we shouldn’t discuss it? Do you hold the authors on this site to the same standards? Newbies misunderstand them all of the time…like guys weighing all of 140lbs at over 6 feet tall dieting because they thought CT wrote that no one should be above 10% body fat ever.

I personally don’t give a shit what you personally do or how you train and I didn’t see anyone here tell you that you were training wrong for your own body…so what the hell is the problem?

Yes, I bulked up and still believe it works well. I say that because of the size I built by doing so. Not to mention that everyone is going to fuck up and make mistakes…yet instead of helping Artem out (a guy who has been here for quite a while and doesn’t come across as ignorant and is open to advice) you and whateverthefuckhisnameis lashed into him like he was sitting at home stuffing his face with twinkies (which I doubt but I could be wrong).

Great work, Chief.

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Bulking up does work, but it can be done cleanly. I have been helping the OP out, as I just mentioned I have been PM’ing him. I don’t know Artem or his diet, but there is no way he is doing a “clean” bulk, unless that is what he started out looking like. And you should still be able to discuss things people may take wrong but dishing out blanket advice is not helpful.

For example, instead of saying “awesome arms artem, keep eating” why not ask him to post his diet. And why are you so against people leaning out and then starting back up again?

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Or let’s ask him to post his waist measurement as well…

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Bulking up does work, but it can be done cleanly. I have been helping the OP out, as I just mentioned I have been PM’ing him. I don’t know Artem or his diet, but there is no way he is doing a “clean” bulk, unless that is what he started out looking like. And you should still be able to discuss things people may take wrong but dishing out blanket advice is not helpful. For example, instead of saying “awesome arms artem, keep eating” why not ask him to post his diet. And why are you so against people leaning out and then starting back up again?[/quote]

Guy, my thoughts and ideas are all over this forum. I have gone into more than enough detail on where I stand with this so retyping it all here for you AGAIN is simply not going to happen. If someone is a newbie, they should NOT be dieting down every 3 months like we are seeing on this site. They will end up running in circles and NEVER gaining much muscle mass in the long run. If they are growing in height, that is even more of a reason to avoid some extreme diet (like many of the TEENAGERS are doing with that V-diet). If I have to explain why it is you who needs some lessons.

All people do not share the same metabolic rate, so where you may NEED to only eat chicken breasts, the 150lbs kid with an active athletic life who can’t even seem to gain weight by eating all day may need to be more loose with his diet instead of trying to eat like a bodybuilder dieting down for a comp.

NO ONE has made any blanket statements. The idea is for people to learn to assess themselves instead of needing someone to guide them by the hand for every fucking decision they make.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Or let’s ask him to post his waist measurement as well…[/quote]

Why would you do that? To embarrass him? If you are doing such a great job teaching him through private messages, why would you need to have him post that in public? He isn’t aware yet that he needs to make some changes after speaking with you?

WOW.

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You don’t have to go on a “diet” to bulk in a CLEAN manner. Artem, will you please post your waist measurements if at all possible. I’m sure it would help prove my point and diminish X’s.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
You don’t have to go on a “diet” to bulk in a CLEAN manner. Artem, will you please post your waist measurements if at all possible. I’m sure it would help prove my point and diminish X’s. [/quote]

Are you senile?

You wrote:

[quote]And why are you so against people leaning out and then starting back up again?
[/quote]

I’m sorry, but when did “leaning out” not mean dieting to some degree? If that isn’t what you meant, how the fuck have you missed the SEVERAL posts I’ve written about “damage control” instead doing an all out diet?

This shit needs to be retyped every week for guys like you so you don’t miss it?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Or let’s ask him to post his waist measurement as well…

Why would you do that? To embarrass him? If you are doing such a great job teaching him through private messages, why would you need to have him post that in public? He isn’t aware yet that he needs to make some changes after speaking with you?

WOW.[/quote]

No, I have been messaging the OP, not Artem. And no it’s not to embarrass him, it’s to see if he is doing it properly.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
You don’t have to go on a “diet” to bulk in a CLEAN manner. Artem, will you please post your waist measurements if at all possible. I’m sure it would help prove my point and diminish X’s.

Are you senile?

You wrote:
And why are you so against people leaning out and then starting back up again?

I’m sorry, but when did “leaning out” not mean dieting to some degree? If that isn’t what you meant, how the fuck have you missed the SEVERAL posts I’ve written about “damage control” instead doing an all out diet?

This shit needs to be retyped every week for guys like you so you don’t miss it?[/quote]

A clean bulk and leaning out are completely different. However, I do believe that you can lean out and gain muscle at the same time.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Or let’s ask him to post his waist measurement as well…

Why would you do that? To embarrass him? If you are doing such a great job teaching him through private messages, why would you need to have him post that in public? He isn’t aware yet that he needs to make some changes after speaking with you?

WOW.

No, I have been messaging the OP, not Artem. And no it’s not to embarrass him, it’s to see if he is doing it properly. [/quote]

What? You already made many statements hinting at him already doing it wrong so why would need his waist measurement? Did you miss the post that stated he shouldn’t take measurements as “muscle size measurements” if you can see no manner of delineation between muscle groups?

What I object to is having guys like you and others try to TELL ME what my stance is on these issues when how I feel has already been written out in detail and contradicts what you are saying I believe…like your comment above as if I don’t want anyone to ever lean out. Statements like this are fucking stupid because nothing like that has been written…so why the fuck do you believe it?

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
You don’t have to go on a “diet” to bulk in a CLEAN manner. Artem, will you please post your waist measurements if at all possible. I’m sure it would help prove my point and diminish X’s.

Are you senile?

You wrote:
And why are you so against people leaning out and then starting back up again?

I’m sorry, but when did “leaning out” not mean dieting to some degree? If that isn’t what you meant, how the fuck have you missed the SEVERAL posts I’ve written about “damage control” instead doing an all out diet?

This shit needs to be retyped every week for guys like you so you don’t miss it?

A clean bulk and leaning out are completely different. However, I do believe that you can lean out and gain muscle at the same time.[/quote]

I’m sorry, I had trouble concentrating as you tap-danced around the issue.

Further, the word “clean” needs to be fucking erased from the bodybuilding thesaurus because people take this to an extreme and wonder why they aren’t gaining anything. The majority here are making NO progress.

If you gain fat easily, keep your ass out of Burger King. If, however, you can eat entire cows and still have trouble gaining weight, maybe tofu and chicken breasts isn’t all you should be locked into.

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Ok so tell me what your advice to the OP was, and what your advice to Artem is.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Ok so tell me what your advice to the OP was, and what your advice to Artem is.[/quote]

The advice to the OP is to keep doing what he is doing. He isn’t carrying any more body fat than he was months ago from his pictures so you can erase the idea that he is simply gaining body fat. It is also irrelevant how lean you THINK he should look at all times if he is reaching his goal and gaining more muscle mass than body fat. He is a young guy who is just getting started. His preferred level of leanness is just that…his own. All of this shit has already been written though so I guess you are that lazy.

The advice to artem has also already been written.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Ok so tell me what your advice to the OP was, and what your advice to Artem is.

The advice to the OP is to keep doing what he is doing. He isn’t carrying any more body fat than he was months ago from his pictures so you can erase the idea that he is simply gaining body fat. It is also irrelevant how lean you THINK he should look at all times if he is reaching his goal and gaining more muscle mass than body fat. He is a young guy who is just getting started. His preferred level of leanness is just that…his own. All of this shit has already been written though so I guess you are that lazy.

The advice to artem has also already been written. [/quote]

You are right, I am that lazy. I could give you two fucks about your posts. I mean god forbid, you have about 25,000 of them so I really don’t need to read them over. You and I can agree to disagree on this issue. My message is simple, it is possible to lean out and gain muscle, although it will be a slower process.

And secondly, I feel as though some members, not naming any names, could benefit from stopping their bulk and losing some weight. Of course everyone loves to bulk, it’s quite fun and doesn’t require the discipline as dieting down does. No wonder you love it so much, most likely you are just a big guy who never got below 5% Bf.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Ok so tell me what your advice to the OP was, and what your advice to Artem is.

The advice to the OP is to keep doing what he is doing. He isn’t carrying any more body fat than he was months ago from his pictures so you can erase the idea that he is simply gaining body fat. It is also irrelevant how lean you THINK he should look at all times if he is reaching his goal and gaining more muscle mass than body fat. He is a young guy who is just getting started. His preferred level of leanness is just that…his own. All of this shit has already been written though so I guess you are that lazy.

The advice to artem has also already been written.

You are right, I am that lazy. I could give you two fucks about your posts. I mean god forbid, you have about 25,000 of them so I really don’t need to read them over. You and I can agree to disagree on this issue. My message is simple, it is possible to lean out and gain muscle, although it will be a slower process. And secondly, I feel as though some members, not naming any names, could benefit from stopping their bulk and losing some weight. Of course everyone loves to bulk, it’s quite fun and doesn’t require the discipline as dieting down does. No wonder you love it so much, most likely you are just a big guy who never got below 5% Bf.[/quote]

LOL at “just a big guy”. No, I have never been 5% body fat and don’t care at all about being that lean. Why the hell would I? I do get a kick out of being called out the very second I take my picture down as my avatar as if everyone suddenly thinks I am underdeveloped and obese if they don’t get a constant image thrown at them. I was a 150lbs kid when I started. CT seems to think I have what it takes to go pro in terms of overall muscle size (even though I think I am no where near ready). I will go with his opinion over yours if I take one at all.

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Wow someone said you have potential? That’s awesome! My mom said I could be a pro basketball player!!?!?! Isn’t that cool? I could care less if you have an avatar of you up or some dumb image like you do now. Dieting is difficult, overeating, not so much.

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[quote]jb99 wrote:
Wow someone said you have potential? That’s awesome! My mom said I could be a pro basketball player!!?!?! Isn’t that cool? I could care less if you have an avatar of you up or some dumb image like you do now. Dieting is difficult, overeating, not so much. [/quote]

Wow. You know what’s difficult? Getting to the gym for 10 years without taking more time off than a couple of weeks last year…while going to college and then dental school…and then also doing the same in the military. Do you want to know WHY there are so few people around who have gained in excess of 60-80lbs of lean body mass? Because THAT is very fucking hard. Most will not have the drive to even push that hard for that long to make it happen which makes those of you who act like dieting is the hardest aspect sound retarded. It may be difficult, but going through bootcamp for 4 months is way “easier” than being on the front lines for over a decade.

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Wow. Not much talk about 18" arms in last several pages. Part of the discussion a couple of pages ago seemed to devolve into guys comparing their fitness athlete progress.

Anway, good job Austin. Wish I was as dedicated all those years ago. I probably should be talking to your Dad (age 50?) because I just started progressively lifting a little over a year ago and at 46 I have bigger arms and lift more weight than I ever have. Don’t know that I can get to 18" but that doesn’t mean I won’t try.