[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Great job Austin. You’ve always stood out to me on this board as someone who will go far with this. 18 is a milestone acheivment, but keep in mind 18 to 19 is a much harder longer road. The bigger your arms get the more muscle it takes to increase the circumfrence, so don’t get too caught up in the numbers as long as they are growing.[/quote]
Agreed. My arms shot up to 18" pretty quick. It took me YEARS to get them to 19" solid after that and quite a bit of overall body weight and muscle mass gain.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
I understand most people are severely impatient but I personally believe it is possible to add muscle at a nice pace while keeping bf at bay. [/quote]
I just wanted to hit on this separately. This has very little to do with being “impatient”. It has a whole lot to do with the fact that the people who act like they have “forever” or have the luxury of taking it slow very rarely ever reach the level most of us are after.
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
The guys who actually make MASSIVE gains do so because they FORCE their bodies beyond homeostatic limits. People being overly restrictive simply can NOT do the same.
The moment guys who think like that start making more overall progress than those who go all out, let me know.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Great job Austin. You’ve always stood out to me on this board as someone who will go far with this. 18 is a milestone acheivment, but keep in mind 18 to 19 is a much harder longer road. The bigger your arms get the more muscle it takes to increase the circumfrence, so don’t get too caught up in the numbers as long as they are growing.[/quote]
Thanks bro.
How’s your bench doing, I know you were pushing close to 500 if not hitting 500 raw. Fucking damn impressive.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
I understand most people are severely impatient but I personally believe it is possible to add muscle at a nice pace while keeping bf at bay.
I just wanted to hit on this separately. This has very little to do with being “impatient”. It has a whole lot to do with the fact that the people who act like they have “forever” or have the luxury of taking it slow very rarely ever reach the level most of us are after.
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
The guys who actually make MASSIVE gains do so because they FORCE their bodies beyond homeostatic limits. People being overly restrictive simply can NOT do the same.
The moment guys who think like that start making more overall progress than those who go all out, let me know.[/quote]
X sorry if I missed it but how much do your arms measure now?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
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I’ll take this as a challenge. Certainly won’t ‘give up on adding 50lbs of muscle’, but it surely ain’t easy.
However, I can’t disagree with the premise. It’s not as easy as used to be. When you get older you need to have that much more drive and focus if growth is the goal. “Taking it easy” is not an option.
I’m busting my ass 5-6 days a week and eating the food. The arm size is coming very slowly, even though the weights are still going up. Maybe that’s a training issue, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s food (doubtful)-- still trying to work that out. Either way, I’ll see 18" in 2009.
Words of wisdom to the younger folk: Take advantage of your ‘T’.
[quote]Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
I understand most people are severely impatient but I personally believe it is possible to add muscle at a nice pace while keeping bf at bay.
I just wanted to hit on this separately. This has very little to do with being “impatient”. It has a whole lot to do with the fact that the people who act like they have “forever” or have the luxury of taking it slow very rarely ever reach the level most of us are after.
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
The guys who actually make MASSIVE gains do so because they FORCE their bodies beyond homeostatic limits. People being overly restrictive simply can NOT do the same.
The moment guys who think like that start making more overall progress than those who go all out, let me know.
X sorry if I missed it but how much do your arms measure now?
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I don’t even like giving out how much they measure. That’s just me. They are bigger than 19" and smaller than 23".
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
I’ll take this as a challenge. Certainly won’t ‘give up on adding 50lbs of muscle’, but it surely ain’t easy.
However, I can’t disagree with the premise. It’s not as easy as used to be. When you get older you need to have that much more drive and focus if growth is the goal.
I’m busting my ass 5-6 days a week and eating the food. The arm size is coming very slowly, even though the weights are still going up. Maybe that’s a training issue, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s food (doubtful)-- still trying to work that out. Either way, I’ll see 18" in 2009.
Words of wisdom to the younger folk: Take advantage of your ‘T’.
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Good luck. I am not trying to hold you back. I just get tired of people holding others back by acting like everyone needs to maintain a constant 10% body fat as they go from 150lbs to over 230lbs as if the human body WANTS to gain a ton of lean body mass.
It doesn’t. Your body HATES gaining large amounts of muscle. It is expensive calorically and speeds your metabolism…things not desired if there is ever a famine. Considering that, the guys who think they can take it at a nice pace won’t be the ones who make jaws drop when they walk in the room based on how big their muscle are. They will make progress, but simply making some progress isn’t what we are discussing here.
My goal is “holy shit”. I have nothing in common with “I think he works out…maybe”.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Great job Austin. You’ve always stood out to me on this board as someone who will go far with this. 18 is a milestone acheivment, but keep in mind 18 to 19 is a much harder longer road. The bigger your arms get the more muscle it takes to increase the circumfrence, so don’t get too caught up in the numbers as long as they are growing.
Thanks bro.
How’s your bench doing, I know you were pushing close to 500 if not hitting 500 raw. Fucking damn impressive.[/quote]
I had to give up flat bench all together this year. Got up to 485 but it has just gotten to be too much for amost 40 year old joints. I was spending more time injured than lifting and it was driving me crazy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It isn’t like there are hoards of guys who are “taking it a nice pace” who are getting huge. Most of them stay relatively small even if they do make some gains. your best overall growth years for basic mass are between the ages of 20-35. If you fuck that up “taking it at a nice pace”, you can give up adding 50lbs of muscle in your late 30’s unless you were severely underweight.
I’ll take this as a challenge. Certainly won’t ‘give up on adding 50lbs of muscle’, but it surely ain’t easy.
However, I can’t disagree with the premise. It’s not as easy as used to be. When you get older you need to have that much more drive and focus if growth is the goal.
I’m busting my ass 5-6 days a week and eating the food. The arm size is coming very slowly, even though the weights are still going up. Maybe that’s a training issue, maybe it’s age, maybe it’s food (doubtful)-- still trying to work that out. Either way, I’ll see 18" in 2009.
Words of wisdom to the younger folk: Take advantage of your ‘T’.
Good luck. I am not trying to hold you back. I just get tired of people holding others back by acting like everyone needs to maintain a constant 10% body fat as they go from 150lbs to over 230lbs as if the human body WANTS to gain a ton of lean body mass.
It doesn’t. Your body HATES gaining large amounts of muscle. It is expensive calorically and speeds your metabolism…things not desired if there is ever a famine. Considering that, the guys who think they can take it at a nice pace won’t be the ones who make jaws drop when they walk in the room based on how big their muscle are. They will make progress, but simply making some progress isn’t what we are discussing here.
My goal is “holy shit”. I have nothing in common with “I think he works out…maybe”.[/quote]
Our body is a very complicated machine but outdated.Even in social interaction.People still are anxious when talking to the opposite sex because in old times the population was muuuch lower and if you got refused by one female you got refused by all the females of the group.The same is with the manner the body works,If you were to gain mass it won’t be all lean mass despite how many drugs or how perfect your training and nutrition are.If you want to gain a considerable amount of lean mass you’ve got to accept that you’re going top gain fat mass too…No one seems to understand or want to understand that their genetics aren’t perfect and they cannot pretend to keep sub 13% bf while gaining lean mass…I get suuper pissed of when the fatty in my class starts to talk about his “ecxeptional” frame and his genetics and ability to be great because his cousin with “TEH HOT HOT ABZZ” told him so and doesnt want to train and eat clean but does housewives diets like(monday:only meatballs.tuesday:only macaroni.etc etc.)and teh same is about the guys who say Whey is a STEROIDDDZZZ and teh skinny fuckers who dont want to get fat and the other fuckers who dont train cos its going to stunt their growth…pff…
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Words of wisdom to the younger folk: Take advantage of your ‘T’.
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Yeah, but your progress pics show over the past year you’re one of the hardest working dudes on this site, so what you lack in age you make up for in tenacity. I’m sure you’ll be hitting this thread up again soon enough. I’m tempted to race you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Hey man, congrats on your progress, now I will not say you have “burger king arms” because that is simply not true. However, I think there is a common misconception on this website that you need to add a good deal of fat to add muscle. Obviously we can all debate this fact, but everyone is different. I don’t think adrian peterson (from the vikings) bulked and then underwent a cut to achieve his current physique, same with thomas jones, etc.
I understand most people are severely impatient but I personally believe it is possible to add muscle at a nice pace while keeping bf at bay. Again, a ton of this comes down to genetics, so let’s be more understanding when recommending this one-size-fits-all approach of bulk/cut with everyone who asks about body composition.
Keep up the work though Austin, no doubt you will hit 19 soon.
It isn’t about what “COULD” happen. It is about what IS happening. We can debate POSSIBILITIES for years, but to look at the vast majority of people who got really big and arrive at the conclusion that striving for a single digit body fat reading the entire ride from small to huge is the way to go is a tad naive.
If YOU can do that, great. No one is telling anyone to gain any more body fat than is necessary to reach a goal.
So, have YOU gotten that big while staying at single digit body fat readings? If not, then why talk about what COULD be?[/quote]
YES i do believe that i HAVE achieved a good size (265) at a relatively low BODY FAT.
YES i do believe that i HAVE achieved a good size (265) at a relatively low BODY FAT.[/quote]
Well that’s GREAT then, all the BEST for getting BIGGER. Maybe as you get BIGGER you might add some FAT, but I’m sure that’s no BIG THING for someone like YOU cause obviously you and your BODY are doing something RIGHT.
C’mon guys, be good to each other. We need to be ready for the attack of the MMA people (cause they’re coming for us, they are…)
I am not an “mma person” so? I personally don’t want to get any bigger, I’m pretty content at the weight I’m at, this was not an attack on the OP, I congratulated him on his progress and wished him the best of luck. My only point was that different things work for different.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Hey man, congrats on your progress, now I will not say you have “burger king arms” because that is simply not true. However, I think there is a common misconception on this website that you need to add a good deal of fat to add muscle. Obviously we can all debate this fact, but everyone is different. I don’t think adrian peterson (from the vikings) bulked and then underwent a cut to achieve his current physique, same with thomas jones, etc.
I understand most people are severely impatient but I personally believe it is possible to add muscle at a nice pace while keeping bf at bay. Again, a ton of this comes down to genetics, so let’s be more understanding when recommending this one-size-fits-all approach of bulk/cut with everyone who asks about body composition.
Keep up the work though Austin, no doubt you will hit 19 soon.
It isn’t about what “COULD” happen. It is about what IS happening. We can debate POSSIBILITIES for years, but to look at the vast majority of people who got really big and arrive at the conclusion that striving for a single digit body fat reading the entire ride from small to huge is the way to go is a tad naive.
If YOU can do that, great. No one is telling anyone to gain any more body fat than is necessary to reach a goal.
So, have YOU gotten that big while staying at single digit body fat readings? If not, then why talk about what COULD be?
YES i do believe that i HAVE achieved a good size (265) at a relatively low BODY FAT.[/quote]
I didn’t say “relatively low”. I wrote about going from skinny to huge while maintaining single digit body fat readings the entire way. If you fit that category, fine. If not, then what is your point?
You are also 6 foot 1 which is a tad different than someone who is 5’10" reaching the same and above.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
We’ll seeing as though I still can and have always been able to see my abs I guess I have stayed at that low body fat, so that’s my point, Thank you.[/quote]
Damn. Is school out for the summer already? How old are you. How much did you weigh as a beginning weight lifter. How much have you gained in body weight AFTER YOU HAVE STOPPED GROWING IN HEIGHT?
Yep school just ended, must be keeping up with your college girls huh? Just graduated actually, I’m 22. I was unaware that this thread became one about me? I am not attacking this kid in the slightest, my only point was your one-size-fits-all approach to everyone gets exhausting. “Eat until you puke” “I already ate X amount today” “I eat a cow a week” blah blah, The kid def put on size, but you don’t always have to lose all definition to gain size…
Seriously Lol, I didn’t lose definition. I also definately am not gaining bodyfat. My waist has remained basically a constant, as my chest grew to 50 inches and my arms bumbed up and inch. I guess being able to bench 365, curl what people bench press for reps, and deadlifting over five hundred pounds when I was seventeen (haven’t maxed out in over a year), is just because I’ve gained a bunch of fat.
I’m mean get a grip. At this rate, I’d be disapponted if I wasn’t benching 500 pounds by the time I was graduatiing college. To make it clear I will bench that much weight by the time I’m graduating college, and if I’m still posting on this site I’m going to love to post that vid. Hopefully I can post a beautiful 405 soon for some of the haters.
W.e. though, I’m just a fat ass, I guess the girls like my roles too, never seem to get complaints, everyone is entitled to the opinions but if you call me out and can’t back you shit up (headhunter, you faggot old bastard I’d love to see what you look like after 38 years of wasted training, pussy, my dad is 50 years old, stopped training at 25 when he had a family, and still was able to bench 300 pounds when he first came back to training almsot 20 years later which is probably better than you’ll ever be) so if you call me out show me the way to do it, post a picture of yourself? You scared prove me wrong.
