this is getting fucking stupid. im surprised one of you fanatics hasnt arranged to fly/drive/hop a train to the kids town so you could see it for your very own eyes.
shit. what did i just start?
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
this is getting fucking stupid. im surprised one of you fanatics hasnt arranged to fly/drive/hop a train to the kids town so you could see it for your very own eyes.
shit. what did i just start?[/quote]
I was going to suggest we carpool?
lol
[quote]Limbic wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
this is getting fucking stupid. im surprised one of you fanatics hasnt arranged to fly/drive/hop a train to the kids town so you could see it for your very own eyes.
shit. what did i just start?
I was going to suggest we carpool?
lol[/quote]
I’m in. I have a 32’ RV. We can pick people up as we go.
Man, this is exciting.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Limbic wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
this is getting fucking stupid. im surprised one of you fanatics hasnt arranged to fly/drive/hop a train to the kids town so you could see it for your very own eyes.
shit. what did i just start?
I was going to suggest we carpool?
lol
I’m in. I have a 32’ RV. We can pick people up as we go.
Man, this is exciting.
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sweet. lets get some kegs, load them on the RV, well destroy them on the drive, then when we get there we already have some equipment for GPP! i like!
Just make sure someone brings a video camera so we can post the results on youtube for everyone on the internet to scrutinize
I understand what you mean. one of my points is that federations have changed and with new feds come new records. That’s why older guys like me don’t concern ourselves with anything other than all time bests in each class. There have been so many feds that new records in the USAPL might not exceed old USPF records, especially for penny ante records with age groups.
I don’t want to discount any youngsters accomplishments, but calling these records records just doesn’t sit right with me. Powerlifting is so fractionalized that anyone can get a record with the right federation.
Teh USAPL is big, but not as big as the old USPF. I remember Pa. meets with 120+ lifters in the early 80s. You’ll be hard pressed to find such a meet at this time.
competition. There were many various records that weren’t recognized because the appropriate referees weren’t there. You also had to have weighed plates, equipment checks on the bars, plates, and benches and so on.
You’re an idiot and you don’t have much knowledge of this sport. If you were around it long enough you would understand about the breaking up of one federation to over 10 at my last count. It might be even higher.
And yes it has been done before. Current records are a travesty. To say you are a teenage record holder when you have lifted in one federation, where there are better lifts in old federations is silly. When the feds split in 1982, they created new records. The ADFPA, now the USAPL was drug free, sort of. All their lifts were new records. The APF had new records.
The USPF had old records. Every division in the new feds had new records. So now you’re a teenage record holder in the ADFPA but you’re not lifting more than the old USPF record and so on.
Beleive it or not powerlifters aren’t great athletes. Great athletes play football, baseball, and basketball. They wrestle. They run track. There’s no glory in powerlifting, so it loses the best guys to other sports that might get you a scholarship or even a pro contract down the road. some guys in high school get offered huge signing bonuses right out of school.
So it’s very possible that a 175 pound kid could lift 370 at 15. Marty Taylor a buddy of mine from PSU did 405 at 165 at 21. Carl Schacte did 375 in front of my eyes raw at a bench meet at PSU ( I was head referee) as easy as some could do 135. He later did 415 raw at 148. It was within a year. Carl was early twenties at the latest.
Another PSU student did 300 at 19 at 148 in the same meet. A different lifter on our team did over 300 at 148 as a senior in high school. Mike Brown did over 700 in the bench at 19.
I met Mike a few times over the years. He just totaled over 2500 at the latest WPO meet.
Big lifts are possible if you ever leave supper weenie hut jr.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Relavent data is great!!!
People talking about how often they seen something in their 25 years, that nobody else has seen or documented is pretty useless.
Now there’s a conspiracy against powerlifting records above 315 for teenagers? Who has rid the world of all these records the FBI? CIA? IRA?
Hey I play basketball with a guy better than Michael Jordan, but he doesn’t want to play in the NBA because Street Ball is more competitive. He didnt’ play in highschool or anything but I seen him.[/quote]
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I understand what you mean. one of my points is that federations have changed and with new feds come new records. That’s why older guys like me don’t concern ourselves with anything other than all time bests in each class. There have been so many feds that new records in the USAPL might not exceed old USPF records, especially for penny ante records with age groups.
I don’t want to discount any youngsters accomplishments, but calling these records records just doesn’t sit right with me. Powerlifting is so fractionalized that anyone can get a record with the right federation.
Teh USAPL is big, but not as big as the old USPF. I remember Pa. meets with 120+ lifters in the early 80s. You’ll be hard pressed to find such a meet at this time.
competition. There were many various records that weren’t recognized because the appropriate referees weren’t there. You also had to have weighed plates, equipment checks on the bars, plates, and benches and so on.
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You and I are similar in age. I did my first meet in 1988. I was at USPF Nationals (as a spectator in like '91 or '92 when it was in Chitown).
I completely understand where you are coming from.
Here is a link to the USAPL Ameerican records for that age group.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/records/american/men-teen.htm
As you are likely aware, in USAPL you can only set National records at a National meet but you can set an American record at a local meet under specific criteria. (National judges sitting, equipment check after the record, etc.)
In this case, the 165# American record is lower and was set in '05.
Interestingly, if you look, the 3 lift National bench record I am referencing was set in 1991. That’s a ton of lifters passing through, evolution of gear aside.
Also, here is a link to the USPF Junior records. The first link is single lift, the second if full meet.
http://www.powerliftingca.com/american_bp_juniormen.pdf
http://www.powerliftingca.com/american_pl_juniormen.pdf
Please note that some of the records on the USPF site date back to 1980.
I think these combine to make pretty valid reference points regardless of your historical perspective.
I totally agree with you , but remember not all people lift in meets. So to discount a lift because someone hasn’t done a meet is silly. you have to start sometime.
And it is true about national and american records. I just get cranked up when a bunch of internet don’t lift much guys can’t see that this is possible. If this kid was squatting and deadlifting hard he would weight close to 200. A 370 lift might not be as impressive lift in the bench at that point.
This is an old argument that three lift guys would bring up and the reason why records were originally counted in only a three lift meet. Nowadays that is out the window, but back in the day setting a bench record was done in a three lift meet after squatting.
This is why Kaz is one of the greatest benchers ever imo. He hit 661 raw in a meet after 900+ pound squats. It’s just not done now with all the specialists.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I understand what you mean. one of my points is that federations have changed and with new feds come new records. That’s why older guys like me don’t concern ourselves with anything other than all time bests in each class. There have been so many feds that new records in the USAPL might not exceed old USPF records, especially for penny ante records with age groups.
I don’t want to discount any youngsters accomplishments, but calling these records records just doesn’t sit right with me. Powerlifting is so fractionalized that anyone can get a record with the right federation.
Teh USAPL is big, but not as big as the old USPF. I remember Pa. meets with 120+ lifters in the early 80s. You’ll be hard pressed to find such a meet at this time.
competition. There were many various records that weren’t recognized because the appropriate referees weren’t there. You also had to have weighed plates, equipment checks on the bars, plates, and benches and so on.
You and I are similar in age. I did my first meet in 1988. I was at USPF Nationals (as a spectator in like '91 or '92 when it was in Chitown).
I completely understand where you are coming from.
Here is a link to the USAPL Ameerican records for that age group.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/records/american/men-teen.htm
As you are likely aware, in USAPL you can only set National records at a National meet but you can set an American record at a local meet under specific criteria. (National judges sitting, equipment check after the record, etc.)
In this case, the 165# American record is lower and was set in '05.
Interestingly, if you look, the 3 lift National bench record I am referencing was set in 1991. That’s a ton of lifters passing through, evolution of gear aside.
Also, here is a link to the USPF Junior records. The first link is single lift, the second if full meet.
http://www.powerliftingca.com/american_bp_juniormen.pdf
http://www.powerliftingca.com/american_pl_juniormen.pdf
Please note that some of the records on the USPF site date back to 1980.
I think these combine to make pretty valid reference points regardless of your historical perspective.
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I still think there is less interest and participation in the new feds as opposed tot he old USPF and there are potentially a lot of great lifters doing other things.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
So to discount a lift because someone hasn’t done a meet is silly. you have to start sometime.
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I haven’t discounted it. Just provided some perspective.
Like I said before, I am not going to slam both hands on the table over an internet video.
Happy training.
Heh, Chambersburg is relatively near where I live, and I used to actually live in Chambersburg.
I even lifted at the Y once, although this would have been the kid was in kindergarten.
Funny.
Here’s the latest:
Originally Posted by TobyCook
Wow guys… the length of this thread and the comments I am getting from my lifts is truely unbelievable… I honestly never thought I would get this much feedback from posting up my vids haha…
it’s funny because I just found two more threads on this same site on the subject of my 370 lift… and I found a bunch of stuff on other sites about it too. It’s kind of hard to keep up on all of the responses and questions that I am getting because I get so much, it’s not even funny.
And I am sorry for not replying to everything earlier, but I haven’t had much time to actually sit down and type a detailed response to the thread and replys, because I have been so busy with school coming to an end and stuff outside of school as well.
But here we go, I will try to answer and comment on some of your concerns. As to the deal with the people coming to my YMCA, that never happened. I was there that Thursday but I couldn’t make it Friday. Other than that, I was there and have been going about everyday, and I have not seen or heard from anyone, even though some of the people on here said they were going to show up, but I doubted that anyways.
It’s cool though. Like I said, you guys can come if you want, that is fine with me. I’d be more than glad to show you guys some of my workouts or whatever. As to the people still saying my videos are fake and everything is rigged… etc, etc, etc… and coming up with reasons for it, it is entertaining reading all of your explanations, because they are so wrong.
You guys are just making yourselfs look stupid. Almost all of the reasons of why you say it is fake have already been discussed and explained by me. It seems that most of the people that come on here didn’t read my previous posts and the discussions on them.
I even offered to make another video for you guys to prove it another time, but I don’t think that is necessary, because I thought I did a good job covering it all the first time. And not to mention, I invited anyone to come watch me work out also.
As previously stated, I work out at the Y which is right across the street from my high school, CASHS, in Chambersburg, PA. I don’t know how one of you knew that it was right across the street from my school, but I found that pretty funny. Anyways, that should show you there that I am not a bs’r.
How many people do you know of that claim big lifts and make fake videos of themselves, but then offer to let people watch them workout? None. I’m not that kind of person and I have no reason to try to do that.
Toby
Here’s one response: "Dunk and I both lifted at the Y across from CASH. You set the time next week and one if not both of us will be there. We can video it and put it to rest.
I really think you should lift in the ADAU meet in Hagerstown the first weekend of June. Very short distance and definately worth your time as your lifts will definately win teen division and likely the Men’s Open."
This is hilarious. Everybody is screaming that well not everybody lifts in meets. Well not everybody is breaking records by over 15%.
If your making videos of yourself, posting where you workout, journals. What is one meet? I bet you $10000 that there is one person out there that has offered to pay to see this guy in a meet.
If you want to sure your incredibly strong…Fine.
If you want to break a record…put it on record.
… bear with this now …
A further update:
"I don’t know about Dunk but I had invited Toby to Gold’s in C’burg. I was curious b/c he lives close by and if he is legit he is a possible future HOF’er in powerlifting world. I could say I met this kid when… So I went to the Y in Chambersburg, I was surprised it was a really nice YMCA.
Anyway, I was very disappointed to find out no one had heard of the 15 y/o bench phenom Toby Cook. Obvioulsy he has an ego b/c he posted the vid. You would think he would be amazing the people at the Y with his bench, I would be. I still sorta believe but I am begining to wonder. I do not think it is all that unbelievable.
I just would like to see it. Even if he only gets 340-350 solid and misses 370 I will be impressed as hell. Anyway, my offer still stands I will pay for the day pass to Gold’s or show up at the Y."
posted by gunzandwheelz, 5/25/07
You guys are way to interested in what a sixteen year old kid is doing.
More time training and lifting, and less net time.
And it is possible he could do these lifts. One thing to take in account is that these are touch and go. A pause will take some weight from his max.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
You guys are way to interested in what a sixteen year old kid is doing.
More time training and lifting, and less net time.
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Posted for information content only, Bud.
You could spend less time waxing your imagination. Ha?
One interesting thought I had:
If this kid were 22 instead of 15, nobody would give a shit.
My two cents.