15 Y/O Benching 400 Raw

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Modi wrote:

dez, again I’m not advocating for or against this guy. But I press in a power rack that has round pins, and can move the weight fairly easily side to side.

What surprises me is the lack of any setup, no leg drive, no arch, elbows flared out to the sides. That is a lot of weight for someone that young and at that bodyweight, to be moving in such and inefficient manner. IF he is legit, then with some coaching he could be MUCH stronger.[/quote]

He’s said in the last few days he works out at the YMCA in Chambersburg, PA.

After a little research: YMCA
570 E Mckinley St
Chambersburg, PA 17201

and: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

A coach & some recognition and he’s golden.

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[quote]Limbic wrote:
Modi wrote:

dez, again I’m not advocating for or against this guy. But I press in a power rack that has round pins, and can move the weight fairly easily side to side.

What surprises me is the lack of any setup, no leg drive, no arch, elbows flared out to the sides. That is a lot of weight for someone that young and at that bodyweight, to be moving in such and inefficient manner. IF he is legit, then with some coaching he could be MUCH stronger.

He’s said in the last few days he works out at the YMCA in Chambersburg, PA.

After a little research: YMCA
570 E Mckinley St
Chambersburg, PA 17201

and: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

A coach & some recognition and he’s golden.[/quote]

no offense, but did i miss something in the wikipedia link that has something to do with this guy? or is it just about his town?

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[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Limbic wrote:
Modi wrote:

dez, again I’m not advocating for or against this guy. But I press in a power rack that has round pins, and can move the weight fairly easily side to side.

What surprises me is the lack of any setup, no leg drive, no arch, elbows flared out to the sides. That is a lot of weight for someone that young and at that bodyweight, to be moving in such and inefficient manner. IF he is legit, then with some coaching he could be MUCH stronger.

He’s said in the last few days he works out at the YMCA in Chambersburg, PA.

After a little research: YMCA
570 E Mckinley St
Chambersburg, PA 17201

and: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia

A coach & some recognition and he’s golden.

no offense, but did i miss something in the wikipedia link that has something to do with this guy? or is it just about his town?[/quote]

Just about the area. There may be people on this site from the area.

One last vid off a Razor phone, only 15 seconds long:


from discussbodybuilding.
He’s said subsequently he could have gotten 4 reps with 340, but only had 15 secs.

That’s all I could find.

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So you have seen this, yet NO Powerlifting competition National Or International would have not ONE 15 year old even close to 350 in their record books, under a weight of 198?
Wow looks like powerlifters really don’t know how to train.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Kreal7 wrote:
tom63 wrote:

I know a few teenagers that benched at least double bodyweight. One guy did in the 300s at 148, one over 300 at 132. The 148 did a 405 at 165 at 20-21. All these lifts were done raw.

What people need to realize is that some people are very good at things while others suck respectively. It’s like a standard bell curve. Most fall in a certain area, while others are at one or other end of the curve.[/quote]

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
The world record for a 15 year old kid in the Bench Press in the 181 pound weight class is 330 pounds I believe. I could be wrong but I think the kids name is “Bishop.”

Anyone have any further info on this?[/quote]

Like I said this 15 y/o is doing 40lbs more than this for reps at 10 lbs lighter natural? and people are actually upset with me because I don’t beleive it?lol

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
The world record for a 15 year old kid in the Bench Press in the 181 pound weight class is 330 pounds I believe. I could be wrong but I think the kids name is “Bishop.”

Anyone have any further info on this?

Like I said this 15 y/o is doing 40lbs more than this for reps at 10 lbs lighter natural? and people are actually upset with me because I don’t beleive it?lol[/quote]

that does make sense also. The only thing I feel is that, I’ve seen a couple of guys who are my age now (17) that have been training since they were 12 and have broken records and such. The one can actually deadlift 611 or 18 it was in the 198 class. In APF.

Now the 15 year old who posted his vid. said he has been training his bench for 3 years. Which would also mean he’s been training since 12 years old.

Wouldn’t you think someone that dedicated would look forward to something more (example) setting or breaking a record in lifting? Just my assumption, but who really knows. I don’t really care, if he did it thats awesome, if he didn’t then who cares lol

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"The real step which will prove it all is when I compete in the meet in Erie scheduled for August. " quote Toby Cook 5/13/07

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Here is some perspective on the topic:

This is the state records for the Louisianna High School Powerlifting Association. Very large association and a feeder organization for USAPL High School Nats. Single ply bench shirts are allowed.

http://www.lhspla.org/LHSPLA/records/2007%20state/STATERECORDSBOYS2007.pdf

This is the WI High School Powerlifting website. They are also very large, you can letter in PL at many schools in WI. Bench shirts are not allowed at HS meets in WI. Look to the left of the page and click on records.

http://www.neenah.k12.wi.us/whspa/

Texas and Pennsylvania also have huge HS powerlifting associations, as well but PA has no website and TX is more combersome to navigate in regards to records.

The Texas website is here.

www.thspa.org

This is the Junior Varsity (JV) 14-15 yo USAPL records. These are from HS Nationals and bench shirts are allowed.

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/records/national/men-highschool.htm

We are talking literally thousands of lifters to get to these records.

WI alone had way more than 300 lifters at their state meet (which you have to qualify for) and PL is so huge in TX they have a seperate federation for the girls.

This year’s HS Nationals was in LA which is in the middle of a huge hotbed for the sport and the best bench at 165 was 142.5 Kg which is 314 and was done by a Varsity lifter.

I train HS lifters but am basically unwilling to comment b/c all I have to base it on is a video posted on the internet.

The only thing I will comment on is the finish discrepancy among the plates in the first video and also the fact that in the phone clip posted here the outside 45’s are black while all the rest are the same (different) color.

It seems kind of suspicious.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

Texas and Pennsylvania also have huge HS powerlifting associations, as well but PA has no website and TX is more combersome to navigate in regards to records.
This year’s HS Nationals was in LA which is in the middle of a huge hotbed for the sport and the best bench at 165 was 142.5 Kg which is 314 and was done by a Varsity lifter.

I train HS lifters but am basically unwilling to comment b/c all I have to base it on is a video posted on the internet.

[/quote]

Toby Cook posts himself about once every 2 days on bb.com:

I gave the number a couple of posts above for the YMCA he says he trains at: (717) 263-8508 . He says he’s usually there from 4-6pm every day. He also recently expressed himself as being very willing to prove it before the August meet in Erie.

He recently turned 16yo.

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There are no official records at all. There have been so many feds that records have lost their meaning. The lifts I mentioned are lifts I’ve seen. I’ve competed since 1982 in Pa.

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[quote]Limbic wrote:

Toby Cook posts himself about once every 2 days on bb.com:

I gave the number a couple of posts above for the YMCA he says he trains at: (717) 263-8508 . He says he’s usually there from 4-6pm every day. He also recently expressed himself as being very willing to prove it before the August meet in Erie.

He recently turned 16yo.
[/quote]

3 things.

  1. I don’t go to bodybuilding.com and this isn’t intriguing enough for me to change that.

  2. If I had $1000 for everybody who told me that, I would have my house paid off.

  3. Thanks for the phone number but I think I’ll keep that dime in my pocket.

Maybe you should start a local fan club chapter for the kid.

Rah, rah!

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Limbic wrote:

Toby Cook posts himself about once every 2 days on bb.com:

I gave the number a couple of posts above for the YMCA he says he trains at: (717) 263-8508 . He says he’s usually there from 4-6pm every day. He also recently expressed himself as being very willing to prove it before the August meet in Erie.

He recently turned 16yo.

3 things.

  1. I don’t go to bodybuilding.com and this isn’t intriguing enough for me to change that.

  2. If I had $1000 for everybody who told me that, I would have my house paid off.

  3. Thanks for the phone number but I think I’ll keep that dime in my pocket.

Maybe you should start a local fan club chapter for the kid.

Rah, rah!

[/quote]

I remember … couple years ago … little sense made … and again?

With all the powerlifters in PA, the tendency for Y’s to hold bench contests: why hasn’t word on this kid gotten around faster? Did my part.

This site has the people resources to set this kid up good with contacts and support. There’s your club.

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Maybe, just MAYBE the kid doesn’t care about records and lifts cos he loves it.

Who are we to say that’s wrong?

Since when has it all been about records?

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Maybe, just MAYBE the kid doesn’t care about records and lifts cos he loves it.

Who are we to say that’s wrong?

Since when has it all been about records?[/quote]

I’ve read all his posts over at bb and he expresses himself quite well. Very respectful and never rude.
I personally think he’s surprised himself, he’s on a roll and he knows it, he’s intelligent and from a good family. From one human to another, he deserves recognition. 340 x 4 @ 175 and 15yo?!

He probably sees few limitations in the near future.

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I can’t believe this thread is still going. You guys are hilarious. Now we’re giving out phone numbers and google maps of where a 15 y/o kid trains. LOL! Who gives a shit if he doesn’t compete. 370 isn’t that much weight to be implausible. There are a lot of naturally strong kids out there that have never and probably will never set foot on a powerlifting platform. Just accept that and move on.

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Ugh, yes I have. One of these competed the other was a clean gym lift.

What you don’t realize is records aren’t records. Years ago there was one federation, the USPF. This came from the AAU. In 1982 the ADFPA and APF formed. after that multiple feds formed.

The USAPL was the old ADFPA. There were records in the USPF, but they’re long forgotten. What is also forgotten is that to set national records in the old USPF, you needed national referees present to judge the lift. The lift had to be performed in a three lift meet.

Preferably, this happened at a National competition. There were many various records that weren’t recognized because the appropriate referees weren’t there. You also had to have weighed plates, equipment checks on the bars, plates, and benches and so on.

So when you decide to spout off next time, make sure you know what you’re talking about. I saw many lifts exceed records that weren’t valid for reasons of rules that weren’t performance related. I’ve been in and involved in this sport for 25 years and have seen a lot. I also have seen great lifts by believe who don’t give a damn about competing for a cheap trophy.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
So you have seen this, yet NO Powerlifting competition National Or International would have not ONE 15 year old even close to 350 in their record books, under a weight of 198?
Wow looks like powerlifters really don’t know how to train.

tom63 wrote:
Kreal7 wrote:
tom63 wrote:

I know a few teenagers that benched at least double bodyweight. One guy did in the 300s at 148, one over 300 at 132. The 148 did a 405 at 165 at 20-21. All these lifts were done raw.

What people need to realize is that some people are very good at things while others suck respectively. It’s like a standard bell curve. Most fall in a certain area, while others are at one or other end of the curve.

[/quote]

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[quote]robo1 wrote:
I can’t believe this thread is still going. You guys are hilarious. Now we’re giving out phone numbers and google maps of where a 15 y/o kid trains. LOL! Who gives a shit if he doesn’t compete. 370 isn’t that much weight to be implausible. There are a lot of naturally strong kids out there that have never and probably will never set foot on a powerlifting platform. Just accept that and move on.[/quote]

Sarcasm: there does seem to be a certain reticence from the bencher in question?

I’ve had fun testing this topic’s stability. Bumping it has brought some laughs. Doesn’t seem to provide though.

Blood pressure checked lately?

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

What you don’t realize is records aren’t records. Years ago there was one federation, the USPF. This came from the AAU. In 1982 the ADFPA and APF formed. after that multiple feds formed.

The USAPL was the old ADFPA. There were records in the USPF, but they’re long forgotten. What is also forgotten is that to set national records in the old USPF, you needed national referees present to judge the lift. The lift had to be performed in a three lift meet.

Preferably, this happened at a National competition. There were many various records that weren’t recognized because the appropriate referees weren’t there. You also had to have weighed plates, equipment checks on the bars, plates, and benches and so on.

So when you decide to spout off next time, make sure you know what you’re talking about. I saw many lifts exceed records that weren’t valid for reasons of rules that weren’t performance related. I’ve been in and involved in this sport for 25 years and have seen a lot. I also have seen great lifts by believe who don’t give a damn about competing for a cheap trophy.

[/quote]

That’s why I provided links to HS federations. They are not sanctioned and the ones I presented typically adhere to USAPL lifting standards because they are feeder organizations for HS Nats.

The point being 10’s of thousands of lifters passed through some of these states programs to arrive at their records.

If you are in PA then you are familiar with the Glen Mills program. They had one of the most impressive teen 181er’s I have seen in a long time. He went 245, 125, 282.5. They have a very well run program and all their lifters are impressive as hell.

There is no doubt there are some freaky kids out there but aversion to competition, evolution/transition of federations and stipulations of National records does not provide a particularly strong explanation for why this kid surpasses a National record RAW that was performed equipped by more than 50#'s when the HS organizations I am referencing have literally had tens of thousands of kids pass through them to get to that National record.

Not to mention this is a huge source of pride for a lot of these schools and I can assure you the freaks more often than not find a way to HS Nats.

Bottom line, I was just providing what I felt was relevant data. As I stated before I am unwilling to offer an opinion because I have little more than some videos to base it on.

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Relavent data is great!!!

People talking about how often they seen something in their 25 years, that nobody else has seen or documented is pretty useless.

Now there’s a conspiracy against powerlifting records above 315 for teenagers? Who has rid the world of all these records the FBI? CIA? IRA?

Hey I play basketball with a guy better than Michael Jordan, but he doesn’t want to play in the NBA because Street Ball is more competitive. He didnt’ play in highschool or anything but I seen him.