Starting with you?
Another pattern Iâve noticed from you is that when your logic starts to breakdown, you either go on the attack or start trying to divert down tangents.
Sure. Good luck.
Iâm not into kids.
I donât think anyone here complained about dead bedrooms.
If by âprudishâ you mean âaversion to blatant whoredomâ, I probably fit that bill. Strangely, I wasnât averse to this kind of behavior when I actually had a dead bedroom.
Unrestricted licentiousness has societal consequences. Consequences I would benefit from personally, but most men would suffer from. Does that make me care? No.
But I donât want my daughter growing up around a gaggle of trollops trying to convince her that sleeping with random dudes is acceptable or ânormalâ.
I do and will continue to do everything in my power to raise her right, but environment undoubtedly plays a role in a childâs outcome. I can only control so much in a society that thinks female âempowermentâ means getting to sleep with whoever you want, whenever you want, with no consequences.
Specifically though, part of your comment RE prudishness and dead bedrooms - you are correct that these two can be related. I mentioned it earlier in the thread but it seems to have gone to the wayside.
It is common that guys end up caste-ing women into one of two buckets - Madonna or Whore. Cue Madonna/Whore Complex.
Itâs hard to look at the woman who matters to you most in the world, particularly when sheâs pregnant, and think that she wants to get down and dirty. I get it.
But most women donât fall into either the Madonna or Whore bucket, usually somewhere in between. Dudes just have a tendency to make it binary because simple=good 
It has been a contributing to dead bedrooms before, and itâs worth discussing on this topic.
And I donât think most men want the women in their lives to be either one.
I donât think they want that to happen either, Iâm saying that it does happen. It happens enough to even give it itâs own term.
Why do you have to âyeah butâ everything, dude?
Why do you get mad when someone agrees with you? And it wasnât a yeah but but an in addition.
When you play contrarian 95% of the time, the 5% often gets mistaken as contrarian.
I donât make the rules 
" You canât truly call yourself âpeacefulâ unless youâre capable of great violence, if youâre not capable of violence youâre not peaceful, youâre harmless." I think I heard Jordan Peterson state this, and it kind of set with me.
So I agree with you 100%.
On another note, 24 years married to the hottest most beautiful woman in the world. It wasnât always great, but we have grown together. My wife understands my needs and I try real hard to understand hers. We have quickies for me, and longies for her. But someone said it earlier, but I will put in my own words, give your spouse attention, when they talk, look at them, and pay attention. It will do wonders in the evening.
Bry
Just speaking from my own experiences, and thinking about my own thinking here. Being in a position of being in a monogamous relationship and being someone who could do well (I am not trying to come off as bragging, I certainly wouldnât be top of the heap, but I am also not invisible to women) with women (if we are talking about sex with multiple women type of stuff), seeing this type of behavior can make me feel resentful, that I am missing out. The thrill aspect along with the ego boost that goes with it I suppose.
I suppose the reality of it is that it is likely a grass is always greener type of thing. I donât think I have it in me to play women for sex, or knowing they have different intentions than I do. Iâd feel a lot of guilt about that type of behavior, but I still feel jealous of the men that do this, and I bad for the women it happens to.
Women donât have to be played for casual sex. They like it too. Discretion though, is almost always a must.
I was weighing whether I feel this way, too (is this a people thing rather than a man/woman thing) and I donât. But it occurred to me that I most definitely feel that way about other things. Eating is one. Why canât I just relax and enjoy all the tasty food? Like, Iâll look over at a woman eating a big pile of something delicious and then look at the broiled fish I chose and feel deprived and jealous. I go through spells of feeling that way about getting up early to work out. But I want the many benefits of being in good shape. I do feel really wistful about it sometimes, though. Like, these people are living a whole different existence from mine. And itâs a choice. Mostly I feel good and very happy about the way I live. There ABSOLUTELY are benefits, and I know overweight, sickly people envy me my fitness. But sometimes I envy the freedom they have from a critical self who reads and reads and reads about the bad things that happen to people who live the other way and the good things that happen to people who order the stupid broiled fish and set the alarm an hour earlier than it needs to be.
I was bsâing with my one brother about food, eating, and just stuff in general.
He was pissed off about a guy at work that gave him a tip on a âgoodâ place to eat. The guy said âOh, yeah! Its great! Their portions are huge. Like I could barely finish.â. And this guy was a big dump of a man.
He goes on to say âYou know what? Iâm never taking restaurant tips from fat people again. They donât give a crap how food tastes, as long as thereâs a lot of it.â.
I remarked that I think heâs on to something. Like theres places that serve big, and places that serve good, but rarely are there places that serve both.
I love a good broiled fish. Especially salmon.
So with all that being said, Iâll call a moratorium on posting fresh baked bread pics until after June 1st in support of your goals.
I feel this way about basically everything in my life (âwhy canât I just not care about grades?â, âwhy canât I just stay up with friendsâ)
I just see it as maximising utility. I just happen to discount future disutility less. I might feel crappy now, but the pain of feeling even crappier later stops me
This might be a hot take, but I think that, to some extent, partners are accessories- just like designer bags, gold watches or fancy cars.
They signal ability and status
Any studs here employ the â10 second kissâ on occasion to keep their ladies on edge?
The 10 second kiss isnât about initiating sex. I consider âforeplayâ to start as soon as sex ends. The best foreplay, IMO is âcoquettingâ (sexual push-pull).
- Use one arm to grab your woman by the waist, and pull her in close.
- Look her in the eyes. Give her âthe bedroom lookâ.
- Use the other hand to bring her face to yours (youâre pulling her into you). I do this by holding the back of the neck, her chin, back of her head, etc.
- Make out with her for about 10 seconds.
- YOU end the kiss. YOU let go of her. YOU walk away from her (if she letâs you).
I like to put my hands on my wifeâs waist/hips and moving myself away from her.
-if she tries pulling me back in, i say âmaybe laterâ as a tease.
-if she doesnât try pulling me back in, i say âokay, you can go nowâ as if I were kindly dismissing an employee.
(Remember, push-pull!)
*works well when theyâre going on and on about their day after work.
**works well when theyâre stressing out about something or doing housework. (I particularly like this one because now shes not thinking about her stress)
***sometimes itâs fun to swap the waist grab in step 1 with holding her against the wall, or pulling her in close, then walking her to a wall - the look in step 2 can be more of a âim taking youâ than a âI want youâ (might want to make sure thats not out of character for you first)
It works best if you donât initiate right afterwards. Let the sexual tension build up.
In other news, the DHB im taking has certainly improved an already overactive sex drive 
I know. I think Iâd have a tough time navigating it.
I recommend at least bending a couple of rules here and there. 
The pain will keep you in check if you go too far.
Take a day off and be selfish with it. Everything you do that day serves you, in a fun in the moment kind of way, not planning for tomorrow to again plan for the next day.
I bet youâll find nothing burned down, and you had a good time.
There are things that sound much better than they turn out to beâŠ