Hi guys an update. So a bit of an update. I managed to get down from 93 to 88kg, but because I literally have too much mass on my frame and my body fat is already scary low, I have decided that I cant really push traditional fat loss anymore without feeling like I am about to step foot on a bodybuilding stage (tren has helped massively with this lmao). Not great for powerlifting, also, having this low body fat on me, puts me in a risky situation in terms of injury (aka Ben Pollock when he tried to squeeze into the 181lb weight class - tore his quad). I mean, the last few weeks I have felt like I am 2 weeks away from a bodybuilding stage. Not a great situation as a powerlifting preparing for a comp. I mean, I got out the shower last night, and I have veins all the way running from my arm pits along my abs. I can literally move the skin around and see underneath it, that is how lean I am at the moment and the last time I was that lean, I was a few weeks out from my natty bodybuilding show. Being a wrecked zombie is not gonna get me through Jan.
As a result, I have decided that its not a smart decision to keep pushing traditional fat loss over the course of the remaining prep. I asked a few of the MMA guys at my gym and they said ‘dude, you don’t need to cut in the traditional sense now, just don’t get above 94kg and we can get you to 82.5 for the meet’
Unfortunately, I asked the meet director about competing on the Saturday if I do happen to just stick in the 90kg class instead. Most cases this is not allowed and I would have to compete instead on the Sunday. But given my hotels are booked, they might let it slide this once. But not a long-term solution.
So I have decided just to chance the remaining 7/8kg of bodyweight 10 days out from the meet via water, salt and carb manipulation as further fat loss at this point is just not feasible.
My rational for doing a traditional fat loss cut was because I have never done a water cut before, so I have no idea how my weight would change. But further fat loss is not going to happen at this point. If I dig deeper, I could rather just to another bodybuilding show (hell no!).
Let me know your thoughts on this!
My other option was to perhaps just hit up my source for a diuretic and combine that with salt/carb manipulation rather than having to chug huge amounts of water for 3 days.
I have a solution. Where are you going for the meet?
If it’s somewhere you’ve never been, perhaps spend the days prior exploring wherever you are, this makes booking the hotel not a waste of time, for the next day, book accommodation within a hostel (cheaper). Problem solved
What are your best lifts right now and what are the records you are trying to break? You have to expect your strength to suffer a bit from a big weight cut and if you aren’t already well ahead of the numbers you need then it might just not happen. Not trying to discourage you, but maybe just doing what you can at 90kg is a safer bet.
Also I’m not too sure if what these MMA guy are telling you is good advice for powerlifting. Seems like weight cutting protocols can be different in different sports (see the article I mentioned before specified strength sports) and a decrease in absolute strength is going to be less of an issue in a combat sport vs. PL where absolute strength is the main factor. I used to know a guy who was on the Canadian wrestling team, he told me that for cutting weight they just wouldn’t eat for several days. That sounds like a terrible plan going into a PL meet, but this guy never lost a match either. If you can afford flights and hotels then you can afford to hire a PL coach who has experience with big water cuts, otherwise you are taking a big risk.
When you’re on a gram (you’re probably on far more than this now as you believe most competitors use 4 grams of tren coming up to a competition) of tren this is a bad idea, you’re kidneys are already taking a massive beating from tren + orals, then there’s the dehydration inducing further strain, the high protein diet… there’s a reason so many bodybuilders end up with kidney transplants in their 30s… furthermore dieuretics are not conductive for hitting PR’s, they’ll make you feel shit, in which case if you’re going to get this lean and take dieuretics on top of this you might as well just step onto a bodybuilding stage. Then there’s the electrolyte imbalance you’re inducing from both dehydration, dieuretic usage predisposing you to cardiac arrhythmia. I’d skip the dieuretics, perhaps compete in the 90kg weight class
Another option (smartest one) would be to just lower the dosages of hormones. Cutting down to 3500mg test equiv weekly wouldn’t kill you, as a matter of fact it probably wouldn’t have much of an impact on anything at all. You’ll lose some muscle mass, but that’s to be expected
This is yet another reason why he should hire someone to help him with this. Amit Sapir said he had a team of people helping him and monitoring vital signs while he was cutting weight, because he could have died for real.
Hey, I explore public bathrooms all the time. Did you know in Belgium you have to pay 50 cents to take a piss? That’s pretty sweet… cultural differences
I’m sure whoever he is hiring will tell him to drop the dose (unless it’s dallas mccarvers coach lol). I’m being super harsh now as I’m worried OP is going to kill himself in the next year
He is on at least 5000mg test equiv, has almost dipped into a diabetic coma once (at least that’s what it sounds like) but hasn’t gotten bloods once, refuse/doesn’t want to moniter blood glucose… his mentality has changed dramatically since using tren and it’s upsetting to see someone who is a valuable member of this community systemically destroy themselves. It’d made sense if he was competing already at the highest level… but this is his first meet…
Regardless this is my last post about this as it’s seriously none of my business, he is an adult who can do as he pleases. He said he was gonna drop the tren, but that doesn’t appear to be the case at all.
I do want to see pics tho, I bet he looks sick… if I was on 1000mg tren weekly (though I’d bet he’s now closer to 2000mg) id look sick regardless of whether I was exercising or not, I’d also be strong as fuck… such a dose would transform anyone into quite a beast I believe. I do think however if he can get this lean, feel fine and doesn’t want to cut for weight properly open class bodybuilding might be the perfect solution
Personally I wouldn’t want to be going anywhere while cutting water. I once cut 4-5lbs and it was miserable. If I was going to travel out of town with the intention of setting records I would want to be there when I start water loading. You could fly somewhere while water loading, but you are going to piss constantly and on a plane you can’t always use the bathroom when you need to. Things could get messy. And the way things are nowadays, if you already went to the bathroom 2-3 times after boarding and the plane still hasn’t taken off I wouldn’t be surprised if people get suspicious and they throw you off the plane.
I don’t really know anything about the drugs, nor about big water cuts, and that is why I suggest he finds someone who does to make sure things go smoothly. Combined with travelling at the same time, there are a lot of variables and tons of potential for things to go wrong.
I believe he did a few IPF-affiliated meets before, this is his first untested meet and his first water cut. If he was an absolute beginner then everything in this thread would be pure insanity.
Yes, his lifts were very good prior to using gear and insane now that he’s on ifbb pro esque doses. It’d be crazy if he had stats like he does but never decided to go into a meet, I’ll be honest and say there is serious potential within this guy… if he doesn’t screw up by tearing something or going into cardiac arrest
Earlier in this thread I said something about diapers and catheters, that’s the sort of dedication that very few have. But if you’re that messed up then they might not let you fly either, if they decide that you are too sick then they can refuse you.
Aside from that, with a big weight cut the thing is that even after putting the weight back on there is a risk that strength will be way down. And worse if you get sick and can’t eat and drink enough after. Often guys use IVs to rehydrate and you need minerals, electrolytes, etc. That Kabuki article “Weight cutting for strength sports” was about how to cut up to 8lbs, 8kg is a different story and a much more complicated one.
Meth… I’ve found the solution, fire up that crack pipe and you’re good to go… aside from the cardiac arrest that MIGHT occur after putting you’re body though such strain, you’ll break PR’s you thought were impossible to break.
hey guys! sorry i’ve been absent from the forums for the holidays, just now seeing this.
@weightliftingwithoutlimits : cutting 6-9kg water is something I’ve done probably 10ish times for competitions, and always at very low bodyfat. Low enough that I’ve got veins popping out across my quads, lats, shoulders, arms, abs, etc. It’s definitely doable, but you HAVE to be smart about it, and it’s not going to be fun even if you’re smart. I don’t have time to write it out now, but I’ve posted it in my training log before. I’ll see if I can link to that post later today. If not, I will type it out for ya. It’s about an 8 day process for me, better if you do closer to 10 days. Flying is not an issue. I’ve done water cuts during flights to new york and ohio from Texas in the middle of a cut, both at the water loading stages, and the water depletion. You just have to be comfortable with annoying other passengers with frequent bathroom trips. Get an aisle seat if you can.
You’ll also need to make sure you have access to a bathtub if possible, whenever I reserve a room and I need to cut water, I call ahead to make sure the room has one. I’ve actually made hotel decisions based on this fact alone before.