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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Zap Branigan,

I don’t see how what is listed in my profile inhibits my ability to forumlate scientific method, analytical analysis, or learn from trial and error. Are you really trying to make a point off of what I placed in my profile, because it seems like a pointless presonal attack aimed at defacing my character.

It is illogical to assume a person is incapable of calling an opinion of bullshit on a theory because of garbage they put in their profile. Perhaps you should take it as a joke, like I do, and realize it’s not serious.

Isn’t me calling BS just my opinion and aren’t I entitled to my opinion whatever it is? Perhaps if you don’t like it, don’t read it. I see no reason to personally attack you. I don’t know you.

rainjack ,

Basically, someone who is 6’1 195 pounds 2 weeks ago finds a Frank Zane type Physique to be realistically appealing. Honestly if I had my choice of physiques to choose from, I prefer Arnold’s. Do I have to train constantly to be suddenly back into building a physique? This morning I weighed 190 pounds fully clothed. I expect by the time I am done dropping excess fat i will weigh 180-190.

I have been out of the gym 4 years, through a custody battle and now I have the passion again. And I find this site fuels the passion. That does not mean I have no experience, don’t know what I am doing, or have never been well built before. And it certainly does not mean I cannot have an opinion that something is BS. It only means I am out of shape. Whoopee.

I have been in the gym 2 months after a long lazy period and already zipping by other people. ZIP ZIP ZIP

I still fail to see how either of your responses to my post negate my ability to logically analyze, learn from trial and error, apply scientific method, or have an opinion.

Waterbury does not seem to have a great physique, so how do you give any merit to his TBT method given his physique? Or does your logic only apply to me?

I challenge anyone to beat my gains using total body training. Maybe a challenge from one of you personal attacking ass clowns will give me enough motivation to burn out an extra rep next time I am in the gym.

Step up. I got no problem posting pics. In my first 6 months back in the gym I will add 20 pounds of muscle and loose all fat. I am already 2 months into it and right on track. And that is a conservative estimate.

I have much respect for Chad Waterbury and I think he is very accomplished. But that is irrelevant to my saying the article is BS based on my experience with total body training vs. split routines. It is furthermore irrelevant to my calling BS on TBT and the recent article.

I still say it seems like Waterbury and CT are in a battle.

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So…in 15 yhrs of training you have gotten to an amazingly fat 195. Now you will put on 20lbs of muscle in 6 months. All this while losing the fat you are trying to shed. OK!

How can you say you analyze anything when, and this is your claim, in 15 yrs of training you’ve built yourself all the way up to a whopping fat 195. What, exactly, do you have the knowlege base to analyze?

And dufus, these articles are not new. It is quite clear they have a different training philosophy. Both work. Both work differently. Both serve different goals.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it’s just that some are worth more than others. Quite frankly, your’s ain’t worth a whole lot. Back to the kitchen

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
SWR-1240,

Your cool as shit in my book. I understand where you were coming from and I wish your efforts the best. You have a good amount of muscle on that frame and your consistent work is obvious. I am sure you could crush the puny light weight I lift.

rainjack,

I am not attacking your gains in any way. I was simply responding to the opener, voicing that I do splits routine and that I thought the CW article was BS.

That’s what was listed in the OP.

I never said put up or shut up. I said I challenge anyone to beat my gains using TBT. It seems you have accepted that challenge.

Tonight, I will post a new thread titled Total Body gains Vs. split gains. I will explain the challenge as you have described it, and add a pic of me prior to starting training 2 months ago, and link the thred to here. I will give everyone the opportunity to flame/critique the pic, then Fri. 10-20-06, I will post one of me currently.

I am open to suggestions as to how we will critique gains/BF loss, etc. moving forward, as well as your picture. The avatar in the steel thong is scary. Also, how will we verify picture authenticity? Am I correct calculate 9 weeks from today will be 12-21-06?

Also, I welcome anyone to add to the challenge. Honestly, if you have been consistently working out/training, I dont see how your gains will exceed mine given I was once 199 with 8% BF.

I realize in the cyber world there are many trolls that come along and deserve flames. I am not that person (at least I dont think so). I was simply responding to the opener and perhaps there is some truth to your notion I have my feelings on my sleeve. My intent was not to offend. [/quote]

275-280 @12%

I’m bettin I could run with ya!

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Waterbury does not seem to have a great physique, so how do you give any merit to his TBT method given his physique? [/quote]

Uhh, pretty sure both CT and CW have pretty good physiques. Not sure where you are getting pictures of Waterbury but they cant be recent. That guy is pretty big.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
New THEORY!!!

…

Dude, you are embarassing yourself.

Most people agree splits are the way to go for bodybuilding.

Most people seem to understand that Waterbury’s statenment was marketing hype. He even admitted it himself.

Move on.[/quote]

Bingo.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
So…in 15 yhrs of training you have gotten to an amazingly fat 195. Now you will put on 20lbs of muscle in 6 months. All this while losing the fat you are trying to shed. OK!
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LOL. No, in my total 15 approximate years of training I manageed to get to 210 pounds of fat ass with about 20-30% BF (rough estimate) and zero muscle definition. What was in my profile was put there 1-2 weeks ago (cant recall exactly cause I was half asleep and stumbled upon realizing I could add that).

And all that success (?) includes the past 4 years of heavy drinking, not working out, and a heated child custody battle.

Yes, I will put on at least 20 pounds of muscle in 6 months, and lose all the fat. In fact, the fat is just about gone now.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Close your mouth and try to learn something before blasting a respected contributor to the site.

This is ridiculous. The OP asked for my opinion and whether I thought an article was horse crap: “Who in here does splits along with myself, and believe what Chad wrote here is just a bunch of horseshit?”

I gave my opinion and your telling me to close my mouth about it? Come on man, cut me a break.
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I am just giving my opinion. My opinion is that splits are a great way to go for bodybuilders.

My opinion is that TBT is a great way to go for athletes and many others. I don’t think I would use it for bodybuilding for many of the reasons already discussed.

The fact is CW made this statement as salesmanship. My opinion is it was also a little tounge in cheek.

My opinion is that people are far to disrespectful sometimes. You called out a guy I respect that has the courage to put his pics on the site and I busted your chops. Big deal.

Good luck with getting back in shape and sorry to hear about your divorce. I hope you bounce back.

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Not CT, he is totally jacked in the pics I saw of him. CW is who I was talking about.

Isnt this CW?

This is the pic I was looking at. There is no doubt the guy is educated and knows his shit.

Why does everyone say the post was marketing hype? I dont get it. Please explain.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
In my first 6 months back in the gym I will add 20 pounds of muscle and loose all fat. I am already 2 months into it and right on track. And that is a conservative estimate.
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You just lost whatever credibility you had. You will never be able to gain 20lbs of muscle in 6 months.

Don’t downplay TBT just because you didn’t see results on it. That’s your own fault. I’m not saying TBT is the end-all of working out, but to say that “it failed you” just proves how little you know about training.

If I’m harsh it’s because I don’t want new lifters to get the impression that TBT is the “wrong way” to go. It worked perfectly fine for my first two years in the gym and I couldn’t be happier with those results. The only downside I saw was seriously lagging in certain muscle groups which can easily be corrected by someone if they recognize their weaknesses and strengths.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Yes, I will put on at least 20 pounds of muscle in 6 months, and lose all the fat. In fact, the fat is just about gone now. [/quote]

You are my hero if you have went from 20-30% fat to barely any fat in 1 or 2 weeks and are gaining 20 lbs of muscle in 6 months. Can I see some before and after pictures because if you pull this off, I will let you teach me everything you know.

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I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to the thread in hopes of understanding the two schools of thought on training, minus the countless flame wars going on in this thread. I am a relative new lifter myself and I’m a listener of both CW and CT. I feel they both have good tips and programs to offer.

I do think the point of the thread was to establish what said programs could be and should be used for. That point was made very clear to me by people like AA, The Professor, and especially GHF for starting the thread. I have learned alot by reading posts from people like this with experience and excellent advice when it comes to training.

I have been trying everything really, there so much out there that I really don’t know which direction to go in sometimes. I have been using alot of the Professors advice lately on how to gain muscle and it seems to be paying off really nice. I’m not sure why some of the best guys here to listen to are constantly in some form of a flame debate. I just tune most of it out and pick up all their good advice.

I would just like to thank the bigger and experienced guys for putting the time in to help us younger guys along the way, even if you do have to battle through the everyday flame wars. Your advice is much appreciated.

My answer to GHF’s original question which got lost amongst all the flame wars going on, would be I guess maybe it was a little thought provoking and the author probably intened it like that but meant no harm. I used the TBT and did ok, but the split routine I’m using now is definitly the way to go for my goals. My goals are to gain about fifty pounds of muscle, and look as physically pleasing as I can.

The two great tips I took away from this article were as follows: no matter which program I use I should go at it full force or the results won’t make much of a difference, and the type of training I do now could help elimate and correct any imbalances or imperfections I may have to deal with in the future.

Thanks for all the help once again guys. I do appreciate the information being exposed by the more experienced guys like GHF, AA, PX, and many more. Thanks guys, you’re really helping some of us beginners.

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Looks like I owe SWR-1240 an apology, and any others I offended. On my ride home I realised I was attacked because I seemingly sttacked SWR-1240.

I did not mean to attack him and I apologize for anyone I offended in doing so.

Zap Branigan, rainjack, I apologize to both you. Didnt mean to call out someone you respect, and I did not realize that is what you were initially flaming me for.

I deserve it in retrospect.

sasquatch,

Was it necessary to call me a dufus? Looks to me like Waterbury’s article I/we reference was written 10/16. If you are anywhere over 200 with 12% BF +or- you get mad props from me.

boss99er, Scott aka Rice,

Scoff all you want, I guarantee 20+ pounds of muscle in 6 months (I started 2 months and 2 days ago).

I create the challenge post and capture the link here.

I would like to add that at this point I have no credibility, so to say or think I lost it with my posts, or my claims does not mean anything to me or anyone else. As far as everyone knows, I am some fool kid posting fecal matter on the screen.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Looks like I owe SWR-1240 an apology, and any others I offended. On my ride home I realised I was attacked because I seemingly sttacked SWR-1240.

I did not mean to attack him and I apologize for anyone I offended in doing so.

Zap Branigan, rainjack, I apologize to both you. Didnt mean to call out someone you respect, and I did not realize that is what you were initially flaming me for.

I deserve it in retrospect.

sasquatch,

Was it necessary to call me a dufus? Looks to me like Waterbury’s article I/we reference was written 10/16. If you are anywhere over 200 with 12% BF +or- you get mad props from me.

boss99er, Scott aka Rice,

Scoff all you want, I guarantee 20+ pounds of muscle in 6 months (I started 2 months and 2 days ago).

I create the challenge post and capture the link here.

I would like to add that at this point I have no credibility, so to say or think I lost it with my posts, or my claims does not mean anything to me or anyone else. As far as everyone knows, I am some fool kid posting fecal matter on the screen. [/quote]

For the record, I didn’t take offence at all.

I don’t want to look like me either, that’s why I changed my goals to aesthetic ones recently. :wink: Well, one of the reasons anyway.

It’s all good with me.

I prefer honesty in people and I’m not just looking for compliments when I post stuff like my pics (well, okay, sometimes I do when I post performance videos).

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Looks like I owe SWR-1240 an apology, and any others I offended. On my ride home I realised I was attacked because I seemingly sttacked SWR-1240.

I did not mean to attack him and I apologize for anyone I offended in doing so.

Zap Branigan, rainjack, I apologize to both you. Didnt mean to call out someone you respect, and I did not realize that is what you were initially flaming me for.

I deserve it in retrospect.

sasquatch,

Was it necessary to call me a dufus? Looks to me like Waterbury’s article I/we reference was written 10/16. If you are anywhere over 200 with 12% BF +or- you get mad props from me.

boss99er, Scott aka Rice,

Scoff all you want, I guarantee 20+ pounds of muscle in 6 months (I started 2 months and 2 days ago).

I create the challenge post and capture the link here.

I would like to add that at this point I have no credibility, so to say or think I lost it with my posts, or my claims does not mean anything to me or anyone else. As far as everyone knows, I am some fool kid posting fecal matter on the screen. [/quote]

As I’ve said many times on this board, I give what is being given. In my estimation, you came out of the blue and jammed Mighty Mouse,RJ,and Zap bing,bing,bing. I hadn’t seen you post before so I jumped in and bombed away.

The article to which you refer was written a while ago, but referenced on 10/16.

My weight today was 292 at aprox. 15-18%bf. Since August first I have added about 15 lbs on a mini bulk. Unfortunately, I missed a bit and added at bit more fat than intended.

You manned up, let’s move on. Good luck on your quest.

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Post your vote here:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1299562

Internet nice guys, tough guys, flamers, douchebags, assholes, faggots, retards, dummies, teens and women, et al, are all welcome.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Looks like I owe SWR-1240 an apology, and any others I offended. On my ride home I realised I was attacked because I seemingly sttacked SWR-1240.

I did not mean to attack him and I apologize for anyone I offended in doing so.

Zap Branigan, rainjack, I apologize to both you. Didnt mean to call out someone you respect, and I did not realize that is what you were initially flaming me for.

I deserve it in retrospect.

sasquatch,

Was it necessary to call me a dufus? Looks to me like Waterbury’s article I/we reference was written 10/16. If you are anywhere over 200 with 12% BF +or- you get mad props from me.

boss99er, Scott aka Rice,

Scoff all you want, I guarantee 20+ pounds of muscle in 6 months (I started 2 months and 2 days ago).

I create the challenge post and capture the link here.

I would like to add that at this point I have no credibility, so to say or think I lost it with my posts, or my claims does not mean anything to me or anyone else. As far as everyone knows, I am some fool kid posting fecal matter on the screen. [/quote]

No worries man. Look forward to having you around.

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Here is that challenge thread, pics in there and in my profile of my status dated 8-16-06. I will post current status tomorrow evening, 10-20-06.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1300566&pageNo=0#1300586

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Sorry little boys and girls out there in T-Nation fantasyland. Most of the threads I’m in usually get heated and the important stuff gets lost. Sometimes I feel like the king of the dipshits. I get one flame war started and an avalanche of them usually follow that I’m not even involved in, usually unintentional and if you noticed…I’m the one being attacked. I seem to have a strange clan that follow me around in my posts… kinda like the leader of the insecure flame throwin douchebags. Sorry for the mess. But, this is the internet and people come here to sling insults around. That is why there are about a fifteen pissing matches in this thread. Fuck, I wasn’t even in the last dozen.

I’ll try to limit these fireworks extravaganzas, but frankly…I don’t mind feeding the trolls. Its entertainmnet. I take nothing personal and neither do most of them, I hope not anyway. Some of them do, but that’s because they’re just that insecure and there isn’t a difference between the image and the actual. For me, my image means nothing… if it did, I wouldn’t post on this website at all. This is strictly entertainment for me. But, I made sure to leave plenty or training advice in the 1000+ posts that I have. A confident man could care less what you say about him. I have a gorgeous wife, I don’t even need the body I have to feel confident. My wife is enough for me. By the way guys, stop insulting anyone that agrees with me. Insult ME, please. Your insults mean nothing to me, let alone half the people insulting me look like George Costanza… but really you are not my wife and she is the only person that could affect me. Some of these T-Members are sensitive. I am not. Please don’t insult the women or my clan of loyal followers every time they want to agree with me on a topic. Please insult the `King Ding-a-Ling.

Christ fuckin’ sake. There are leaders and there are followers. There sure is a fuckin’ shortage of leaders on this fuckin’ site. Just an influx of bandwagon wannabe dipshit assclowns that can’t even win a special olympics title by themselves. This is where the universe imploded and the rest of the world is laughing their asses off at the fucknoids trapped inside.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
…a bunch of self-richeous, egotistical crap[/quote]

Why not respond to the points that have been said about your lack of pics when calling others out about pics?

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Is that your way of limiting the fireworks?

Quit pretending to be some stand up guy who doesn’t care about hinself only the suffering of others. It’s ALL about YOU and you know it.

You want to be friends with all the girls. You bow to professor x. You suck AA’s dick. You constantly refer to your great body. You accept nothing and nobody who has a differing opinion of you.

You’re a wannabe suckup. You live for this site and the rats who follow your flute. It may be the only thing in the world that gives you the validation you obviously need and apparently can’t get in the real world.

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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
…a bunch of self-richeous, egotistical crap

Why not respond to the points that have been said about your lack of pics when calling others out about pics?[/quote]

the more i read the arguing b/w swr and ghf i have to agree with swr. You do constantly call out people to put up pics, and i did, but you have not put up one yourself(besides ur bicep). I for one am curious as well now to see what kind of physique you have built. if it is as well developed as your arm, then well done and i will be impressed.

additionaly, if you decide not to post a pic, and this turns out to be another battle like you have with swr, i am saying right now i wont respond.