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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Yes, this is true. I lift for mainly aesthetics, and you power numbers are something I passed up along time ago. [/quote]

I call bullshit. Even weighing 50lbs more than me, you haven’t come close to “passing up” my numbers.

Many other real bodybuilders, and most other powerlifters have.

Bottom line is that you have never posted any pictures of yourself, and everytime you get called out on it, you balk.

I’d like to see some performance videos of your lifting too. Even if it’s your 8 or 12 rep max durring a giant set.

I call bullshit about your strength AND your asthetics. You’re a wannabe.

I have pics and videos in my profile.

Balls in your court.

Post-up or shut-up.

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Ok, I’ve reviewed the thread and come to a conclusion:

The only people who train with fullbody routines are either really fat or really skinny and have previously been shot down by the split because it didn’t give them a 6 pack or make them look like arnold.

The only people who train with a split are micro-nuts roid users who are obsessed with how their own glutes look in comparisin to other men in thongs.

Next.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
New THEORY!!!

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Dude, you are embarassing yourself.

Most people agree splits are the way to go for bodybuilding.

Most people seem to understand that Waterbury’s statenment was marketing hype. He even admitted it himself.

Move on.

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I agree, its going to be hard to take anything GHF has to say seriously after reading this thread. At first GHF had good points and argued smart. Now he has just turned to making up dumb ass new routines, name calling, and avatar slams. I dont even get the point of this argument. Its clear that TBT and splits are used for completely different goals…so why argue which is better. BUT…a TBT lifter did post up some pics of HIMSELF. Where are the full body pics of good old GHF??? If you guys are going to argue, post pics of yourselves and not some professional BBer.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:

And I have trained many different clients using many different training methods, including total body and split routines. The method used was based on what the goals were.

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AA sums it up - Depends on what your goals are. Do you want a slim but muscular look like a MensHealth model? Nothing wrong with that. You will look better than the majority and a TB or a split routine will get you there WITH HARD WORK.
But if your goal is to build as much quality muscle as genetically possible–in other words-get as big as you possible can, A split routine
would be the superior choice.
If a TB routine worked to get huge dont you think someone would have proven it already? I am sure in the past some of the greats tried it(any thing that would give them an edge against the competition)but realized a split was better.
Volume training,10X3,5x10, even total body workouts- none of this stuff is new. Vince Gironda was writing about it in the 1960’s
There is no “new training methods” only old stuff rehashed by new writers/coaches.

enough of my rant, AA your write on–it depends on your goals.

End of Thread

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[quote]GJA_BOSTON wrote:
End of Thread

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I wish.

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http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1299562

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
GJA_BOSTON wrote:
End of Thread

I wish. [/quote]

Yaeh–And then they throw up a cool tip from CT just for a little more fuel!

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
rainjack wrote:
GJA_BOSTON wrote:
End of Thread

I wish.

Yaeh–And then they throw up a cool tip from CT just for a little more fuel![/quote]

LOL! Yep!

I do hereby call for a Fullbody/Split roundtable. The thread behind that would make this look like an episode of the care bears.

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When I came here a few months ago, I honestly thought full body workouts went out with the Nautilus circuit trainers a decade ago. Sure, I assumed there were still stragglers, like I see at the gym , running their little butt monkey circuit routines, and making little gains.

I’ve been back in the gym training for 2 months, and I am already passing the chauncey TBT workout fools at my gym. And I began as an out of shape fat ass 2 months.

I simply do not see how a TB routine can incoporate the intensity of a split routine. At my prime, I could not do it, and I sure as heel cant do it now.

I hear a lot of people touting TBT on this site, but I have yet to see any pics of a total body trainer that impress me. I have yet to see any person in my 10+ years gym experience that impresses me and does a TB routine.

I’m sorry, SWR-1240, but your pics dont impress me. I saw somewhere you have been working for 4 years. You are big, but definition, and bulky muscles are not part of your profile. No offense intended, but your pics do not inspire me to go back to what has already failed me. I am simply not after the bulky Weeble wobble look.

I have to agree with GHF, and call bullshit on Waterbury’s TBT article. Why was that posted right after CT posted about split routines? When I read CT’s post, I thought it was a stab at Waterbury, but then I see Waterbury’s article, and it kind of confirms my suspicions. It’s like they are at ends with each others opinions.

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[quote]Petedacock wrote:
A whole bunch of bull crap.[/quote]

Occupation: Loser
Weight: 195
Height: 6’1"
Body fat %: too much
Years Training: about 15

Someone that lists this in his profile should not call bullshit on anyone.

Close your mouth, open your eyes and ears and try to learn something.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
When I came here a few months ago, I honestly thought full body workouts went out with the Nautilus circuit trainers a decade ago. Sure, I assumed there were still stragglers, like I see at the gym , running their little butt monkey circuit routines, and making little gains.

I’ve been back in the gym training for 2 months, and I am already passing the chauncey TBT workout fools at my gym. And I began as an out of shape fat ass 2 months.

I simply do not see how a TB routine can incoporate the intensity of a split routine. At my prime, I could not do it, and I sure as heel cant do it now.

I hear a lot of people touting TBT on this site, but I have yet to see any pics of a total body trainer that impress me. I have yet to see any person in my 10+ years gym experience that impresses me and does a TB routine.

I’m sorry, SWR-1240, but your pics dont impress me. I saw somewhere you have been working for 4 years. You are big, but definition, and bulky muscles are not part of your profile. No offense intended, but your pics do not inspire me to go back to what has already failed me. I am simply not after the bulky Weeble wobble look.

I have to agree with GHF, and call bullshit on Waterbury’s TBT article. Why was that posted right after CT posted about split routines? When I read CT’s post, I thought it was a stab at Waterbury, but then I see Waterbury’s article, and it kind of confirms my suspicions. It’s like they are at ends with each others opinions.
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I gotta wonder what kind of physique is appealing to someone that is 6’1" @ 195.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
When I came here a few months ago, I honestly thought full body workouts went out with the Nautilus circuit trainers a decade ago. Sure, I assumed there were still stragglers, like I see at the gym , running their little butt monkey circuit routines, and making little gains.

I’ve been back in the gym training for 2 months, and I am already passing the chauncey TBT workout fools at my gym. And I began as an out of shape fat ass 2 months.

WITH high bodyfat, the kids not even lean.
I simply do not see how a TB routine can incoporate the intensity of a split routine. At my prime, I could not do it, and I sure as heel cant do it now.

I hear a lot of people touting TBT on this site, but I have yet to see any pics of a total body trainer that impress me. I have yet to see any person in my 10+ years gym experience that impresses me and does a TB routine.

I’m sorry, SWR-1240, but your pics dont impress me. I saw somewhere you have been working for 4 years. You are big, but definition, and bulky muscles are not part of your profile. No offense intended, but your pics do not inspire me to go back to what has already failed me. I am simply not after the bulky Weeble wobble look.

I have to agree with GHF, and call bullshit on Waterbury’s TBT article. Why was that posted right after CT posted about split routines? When I read CT’s post, I thought it was a stab at Waterbury, but then I see Waterbury’s article, and it kind of confirms my suspicions. It’s like they are at ends with each others opinions.

I gotta wonder what kind of physique is appealing to someone that is 6’1" @ 195.

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Zap Branigan,

I don’t see how what is listed in my profile inhibits my ability to forumlate scientific method, analytical analysis, or learn from trial and error. Are you really trying to make a point off of what I placed in my profile, because it seems like a pointless presonal attack aimed at defacing my character.

It is illogical to assume a person is incapable of calling an opinion of bullshit on a theory because of garbage they put in their profile. Perhaps you should take it as a joke, like I do, and realize it’s not serious.

Isn’t me calling BS just my opinion and aren’t I entitled to my opinion whatever it is? Perhaps if you don’t like it, don’t read it. I see no reason to personally attack you. I don’t know you.

rainjack ,

Basically, someone who is 6’1 195 pounds 2 weeks ago finds a Frank Zane type Physique to be realistically appealing. Honestly if I had my choice of physiques to choose from, I prefer Arnold’s. Do I have to train constantly to be suddenly back into building a physique? This morning I weighed 190 pounds fully clothed. I expect by the time I am done dropping excess fat i will weigh 180-190.

I have been out of the gym 4 years, through a custody battle and now I have the passion again. And I find this site fuels the passion. That does not mean I have no experience, don’t know what I am doing, or have never been well built before. And it certainly does not mean I cannot have an opinion that something is BS. It only means I am out of shape. Whoopee.

I have been in the gym 2 months after a long lazy period and already zipping by other people. ZIP ZIP ZIP

I still fail to see how either of your responses to my post negate my ability to logically analyze, learn from trial and error, apply scientific method, or have an opinion.

Waterbury does not seem to have a great physique, so how do you give any merit to his TBT method given his physique? Or does your logic only apply to me?

I challenge anyone to beat my gains using total body training. Maybe a challenge from one of you personal attacking ass clowns will give me enough motivation to burn out an extra rep next time I am in the gym.

Step up. I got no problem posting pics. In my first 6 months back in the gym I will add 20 pounds of muscle and loose all fat. I am already 2 months into it and right on track. And that is a conservative estimate.

I have much respect for Chad Waterbury and I think he is very accomplished. But that is irrelevant to my saying the article is BS based on my experience with total body training vs. split routines. It is furthermore irrelevant to my calling BS on TBT and the recent article.

I still say it seems like Waterbury and CT are in a battle.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Zap Branigan,

I don’t see how what is listed in my profile inhibits my ability to forumlate scientific method, analytical analysis, or learn from trial and error. Are you really trying to make a point off of what I placed in my profile, because it seems like a pointless presonal attack aimed at defacing my character.
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Based on your profile it seems that you don’t have much experience with
successful training. Pretending you are using the scientific method and analytical analysis to determine your optimum training is a joke. No one is falling for it.

Your profile may be a spoof, I have no idea. I do not consider it a joke for a nameless internet persona to criticize a man like CW or any other professional for what was obviously tounge in cheek salesmanship.

There have been many people posting here over the years that rave about CW and show their pics as proof of their progress.

I don’t know you and I have not personally attacked you beyond my spoof on your name.

My advise is the same regardless.

Close your mouth and try to learn something before blasting a respected contributor to the site.

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:

I’m sorry, SWR-1240, but your pics dont impress me. I saw somewhere you have been working for 4 years. You are big, but definition, and bulky muscles are not part of your profile. No offense intended, but your pics do not inspire me to go back to what has already failed me. I am simply not after the bulky Weeble wobble look.
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That’s fine, it was never posted a pic to impress anybody.

I’m proud of the strength feats I’ve accomplished, not the aesthetic accomplishments.

I only recently have been training for aesthetics, and I have lots of pics in my profile to show progression.

My point with GHF was that he keeps calling everyone out about not posting pics, and he never posts any. When I called him out in another thread (after he bashed someone else for not posting pics) he tried to turn it around saying that I’m gay for wanting to see his body.

He’ll say anything to avoid actually post a pic, yet at the same time, criticize others who won’t post pics. That’s what I have a problem with.

I don’t know where he got the idea that I’m pro-full body workouts either, but he keeps including me when he talks about those who prefer them.

I prefer splits, and don’t have an aesthetically pleasing body.
So what’s that say for splits? They must not work right? (sarcasm)

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:
rainjack ,

Basically, someone who is 6’1 195 pounds 2 weeks ago finds a Frank Zane type Physique to be realistically appealing. Honestly if I had my choice of physiques to choose from, I prefer Arnold’s. Do I have to train constantly to be suddenly back into building a physique? This morning I weighed 190 pounds fully clothed. I expect by the time I am done dropping excess fat i will weigh 180-190.[/quote]

If you were 195 at 4-5% BF, then maybe you could make the Zane comparison. You are not - at least not according to the stats you have listed in your profile.

I promise you - you could be doing anything in the gym, and you would be making gains. You setting yourself op as an expample of what split training can do is a joke. I’m not trying to be mean - but it is the truth.

I have not seen a logical analysis from you. My post was specifically addressed at the insult you gave a guy because you didn’t think he was built like a BBer when he has a demonstrably better physique than you have right now.

You evidently have not seen him. The dude is jacked by anyone’s definition.

Get your feelings off your sleeves. I have put over 40 pounds of LBM on my body in the last 2.5 years. I did it using several methods including TBT, EDT, and other split training protocols. I am over 40 years old, and carry over 210 pounds of LBM. If that’s being an ass clown - I’ll gladly wear that hat over being a skinny fat 190.

But I’ll do you one better. I’m going to Cancun for Christmas. We leave 9 weeks from today. Starting Monday, I will train only TBT for the duration, and I will have put on more LBM, and be at a lower BF than you will be in that 9 weeks training however it is you train.

Now you put up or shut up.

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Damn you guys are really battling it out. Personally i had good result doing full body routine, but i also had good result form max-ot and upper-lower split etc… everything works for a while.

I must add that i really like TB when dieting and nothing comes close to it, at least for me, but i must also add that i am by no mean a big guy or aspire to be.

I tried Hss100 for a while and it did nothing for me it doesn’t mean it is not a good program, maybe that bottle of wine every Saturday lowers my test level dramaticaly,maybe those 4ooo cals a day weren’t enough, i donnu.

From my personal experience if you want the look of a swimmer or mma artist etc… TB is the way to go for most people but i don’t think you could come close, even with tons of gear, to a Pro-bodybuilder natural or not. Unless you have the genetics of a Reggie Bush or something.

I would like CW to post some pictures of these clients, because i myself doubt some of his claims, they seem sometimes a bit far fetched. And that’s coming from someone who happens to like his programs.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Close your mouth and try to learn something before blasting a respected contributor to the site.
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This is ridiculous. The OP asked for my opinion and whether I thought an article was horse crap: “Who in here does splits along with myself, and believe what Chad wrote here is just a bunch of horseshit?”

I gave my opinion and your telling me to close my mouth about it? Come on man, cut me a break.

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SWR-1240,

Your cool as shit in my book. I understand where you were coming from and I wish your efforts the best. You have a good amount of muscle on that frame and your consistent work is obvious. I am sure you could crush the puny light weight I lift.

rainjack,

I am not attacking your gains in any way. I was simply responding to the opener, voicing that I do splits routine and that I thought the CW article was BS.

That’s what was listed in the OP.

I never said put up or shut up. I said I challenge anyone to beat my gains using TBT. It seems you have accepted that challenge.

Tonight, I will post a new thread titled Total Body gains Vs. split gains. I will explain the challenge as you have described it, and add a pic of me prior to starting training 2 months ago, and link the thred to here. I will give everyone the opportunity to flame/critique the pic, then Fri. 10-20-06, I will post one of me currently.

I am open to suggestions as to how we will critique gains/BF loss, etc. moving forward, as well as your picture. The avatar in the steel thong is scary. Also, how will we verify picture authenticity? Am I correct calculate 9 weeks from today will be 12-21-06?

Also, I welcome anyone to add to the challenge. Honestly, if you have been consistently working out/training, I dont see how your gains will exceed mine given I was once 199 with 8% BF.

I realize in the cyber world there are many trolls that come along and deserve flames. I am not that person (at least I dont think so). I was simply responding to the opener and perhaps there is some truth to your notion I have my feelings on my sleeve. My intent was not to offend.