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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
But aesthetics is what we train for and I’ll let someone else do the judging. [/quote]

Actually that is not what i train for. I train for strongman and strength. Added size is a secondary to me. I do agree that my physique, RIGHT NOW, is not one that a bb would want if he were to compete. I however am carrying alot of extra mass, some of which i plan on losing, and can easily still weigh over 250 and be very lean.

Edit: i just read your other post…im not throwin my pic up against yours. Im just givin an example of a tbt body. it would be worthless to compete considering the different weight classes and our different goals

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:

I’m not comparing photos with you SWR, you don’t even have an arm to compare with. I will compare to this guy since we probably have close to the same size arms. I dunno, I havn’t even checked his stats.

But those arms of mine were able to help my chest, shoulders and lats push 355lbs off of my chest without a bench shirt.

They’ve also been able to lock out 455lbs off of pins.

Oh yea never mind, you only lift for looks, not strength.[/quote]

Yes, this is true. I lift for mainly aesthetics, and you power numbers are something I passed up along time ago. Why are you embarassing yourself. people can see the pics of you in your profile. If i looked like that, maybe some negative feedback would help motivate me too… is that what you’re trying to do?

I don’t understand why you’re trying to compare your body or your #'s to mine. They’re not comparable… so why? I have you eclipsed. If I have to compare to somebody to make a point about splits, then fine. What is your objective, to prove that some lard can bench a measly 350.

C’mon! I’m not a powerlifter and I’m sure they would laugh at that #.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Ok you’re 285, I’m 225. I guess I’ll have to compete outside my weight class because you were the only one with the balls who would show a photo.

Let the votes begin. TBT ot Split training.

I’ll be nice & vote for you.

You’re up 1-0 on me.

I’ll add up the votes later.[/quote]

HAHAHA, you’re saying HE’s out of YOUR weight class, so you can’t be compared to him, yet you compare yourself to me and I weigh 175! LOL

You sure know how to entertain. I’ll give you that much.

And what pics are we voting on?
Bootsie posted his, I don’t see yours.

Ball-less.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
The problem is you have just showed us an increase in size with nothing that a bodybuilder would be looking for aestheticly. This is the point. You might as well find every powerlifter out there and get him to compare aesthetic physiques to the bodyduilder.

You make no sense. If you think that BB’ers stay at 5% BF year round and don’t add size, and get a little girthy - you don’t know much about the sport.

If that is indeed your opinion - you are a brotherhood of one. [/quote]

I’m not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter. I’m a split trainer that lifts for aesthitcs. I’m after Arnolds size, that’s as aesthetic as I want to get. And I have already went through my bulking stages. I’m happy where I’m at. I’ll stay in the 225-245 range.

I don’t have a fuckin’ clu what my BF% is. I’ve never had it checked once in my life. It could be 8%, could be 10%, could be 12%, could be anything. I’m pretty much done with building alot of size. There are some areas I’m trying to still bulk up, others just trying to maintain. And most just trying to get it to fit together.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Ok you’re 285, I’m 225. I guess I’ll have to compete outside my weight class because you were the only one with the balls who would show a photo.

Let the votes begin. TBT ot Split training.

I’ll be nice & vote for you.

You’re up 1-0 on me.

I’ll add up the votes later.[/quote]

Both of you guys have way bigger arms than me. I will vote for Go heavy fool and body-split training. His arm has much more definition and his shoulders are huge.

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
Ok you’re 285, I’m 225. I guess I’ll have to compete outside my weight class because you were the only one with the balls who would show a photo.

Let the votes begin. TBT ot Split training.

I’ll be nice & vote for you.

You’re up 1-0 on me.

I’ll add up the votes later.

HAHAHA, you’re saying HE’s out of YOUR weight class, so you can’t be compared to him, yet you compare yourself to me and I weigh 175! LOL

You sure know how to entertain. I’ll give you that much.

And what pics are we voting on?
Bootsie posted his, I don’t see yours.

Ball-less.[/quote]
You’re such a pain. I said I WOULD compete with the guy that outweighed me by 60 pounds, and NOT you’re little pudgy butt.

Here’s the pic I posted earlier.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
The problem is you have just showed us an increase in size with nothing that a bodybuilder would be looking for aestheticly. This is the point. You might as well find every powerlifter out there and get him to compare aesthetic physiques to the bodyduilder.

You make no sense. If you think that BB’ers stay at 5% BF year round and don’t add size, and get a little girthy - you don’t know much about the sport.

If that is indeed your opinion - you are a brotherhood of one.

I’m not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter. I’m a split trainer that lifts for aesthitcs. I’m after Arnolds size, that’s as aesthetic as I want to get. And I have already went through my bulking stages. I’m happy where I’m at. I’ll stay in the 225-245 range.

I don’t have a fuckin’ clu what my BF% is. I’ve never had it checked once in my life. It could be 8%, could be 10%, could be 12%, could be anything. I’m pretty much done with building alot of size. There are some areas I’m trying to still bulk up, others just trying to maintain. And most just trying to get it to fit together.
[/quote]

You still make no sense. You train for aesthetics - but you are not a BBer?

Dude - I think you ran out of shit to say a long time ago.

[quote]Bootsie wrote:

Edit: i just read your other post…im not throwin my pic up against yours. Im just givin an example of a tbt body. it would be worthless to compete considering the different weight classes and our different goals[/quote]

This is precisely my point. He’s using TBT for what it should be used for “strength and performance”… he’s not using it for physique and aesthetics.

Find a bodybuilder that is using TBT for aesthetics and compare it to the split trainer.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
The problem is you have just showed us an increase in size with nothing that a bodybuilder would be looking for aestheticly. This is the point. You might as well find every powerlifter out there and get him to compare aesthetic physiques to the bodyduilder.

You make no sense. If you think that BB’ers stay at 5% BF year round and don’t add size, and get a little girthy - you don’t know much about the sport.

If that is indeed your opinion - you are a brotherhood of one.

I’m not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter. I’m a split trainer that lifts for aesthitcs. I’m after Arnolds size, that’s as aesthetic as I want to get. And I have already went through my bulking stages. I’m happy where I’m at. I’ll stay in the 225-245 range.

I don’t have a fuckin’ clu what my BF% is. I’ve never had it checked once in my life. It could be 8%, could be 10%, could be 12%, could be anything. I’m pretty much done with building alot of size. There are some areas I’m trying to still bulk up, others just trying to maintain. And most just trying to get it to fit together.

You still make no sense. You train for aesthetics - but you are not a BBer?

Dude - I think you ran out of shit to say a long time ago. [/quote]

No I am the same as Prof X, you will see us in the gym, not at bodybuilding competitions. You know it is possible to lift weights and not be a bodybuilder and have those goals. I have no inclination to be a bodybuilder and compete. I only train to build my body for aesthetic purposes.

You’re wearing a metal jockstrap and you want people to take you seriously. lol

oh… what did I miss?

It’s ridiculous. I train with TBT but my goals are fat loss, conditionning and maintening strength for grappling. Body part split are superior for bodybuilding period. Every big guy I know uses some sort of split (one muscle a day, GVT style, upper/lower…). There shouldn’t even have a debate, the results speak for themselve.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Look at fellas. The insults should start coming in heavy now. They did take a real ass whoopin in the “Prove it” debate.

Anger!!!
Raaaaar!!!

here it comes…
wait for it…
it’s coming…[/quote]

Am I psychic, or AM I psychic?

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
No I am the same as Prof X, you will see us in the gym, not at bodybuilding competitions. You know it is possible to lift weights and not be a bodybuilder and have those goals. I have no inclination to be a bodybuilder and compete. I only train to build my body for aesthetic purposes.[/quote]

I know the prof - and you are definitely not the same.

Are you saying you are not a competitive BBer? Because you say you are not a bodybuilder in one sentence, then a couple of sentences later - you say you build your body for aesthetic purposes. I hate to break it to you - but that is the definition of BBing.

That’s the best you have? Avatar jokes? Train with me for a week - and we’ll see who is serious, and who is looking for a trash can to hurl in.

And I’m an old man.

If I may offer an opinion…feel free to disregard it, call me names, whatever.

I’ve taken my bodyweight from about 150 lbs. when I started lifting 9 years ago, to around 230-235 with a similar bodyfat percentage. Generally, I’ve used whole-body and upper-lower splits that focused on ocmpound lifts. The times I made the most progress were the times I ate the most calories, simple as that.

Not since the first 3-4 years (when I made the least progress) have I consistently used what I would call a ‘bodypart’ split. My concerns were strength for baseball initially (I played 2 years in college) and then training for competitive powerlifting. As a result of my training style, I gained a good deal of size but have a very ‘torso-oriented’ physique. This is ok with me, but would be unsatisfactory for a ‘bodybuilder.’

My opinion based on experience and observation is that focusing on the structure of the training week to this degree, to quote Dave Tate, “avoids the real issues of training.” Training needs to be progressive. It needs to be centered around productive movements. It needs to afford sufficient recovery and provide sufficiently frequent stimulus.

Most importantly, it needs to be supported by adequate nutritional and restorative modalities. It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this can all be accomplished by a variety of means. In addition to countless options regarding structure of the training week, there are countless options w/ regard to movement selection, sets, rep ranges, periodization schemes, etc…

What some people want is hard facts when it comes to training and there are none. There are lots of good ideas. Understand that if you dramatically increase your training weights over the next few years, while progressively gaining scale weight, you are going to be A LOT more muscular than you are now.

If you choose a variety of lifts that train the entire musculature, you will not have any big gaps in your physique. Which are the right lifts? Obviously this depends on the lifter. Some people are fine doing benches, chins, presses and rows w/ little or no arm work. Others need lots of direct arm work to get any growth there at all. It shouldn’t take too long to figure out which camp you fall into.

Regardless, physique, strength, and performance goals can and have been achieved with a variety of different styles. In contrast to the bodybuilders of the 70’s, there are the bodybuilders of the 50’s, many of whom were totally clean(and not nearly as educated nutritionally as bodybuilders of today).

These athletes used for the most part the Heavy, Light, Medium format and trained the whole body 3x/week. Tastes change over time, but the guiding principles of productive training really haven’t.

Get strong on the basic lifts, add whatever YOU need to adequately train your entire musculature, eat big, be patient, and don’t focus on insignificant shit and miss the forest for the trees.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
No I am the same as Prof X, you will see us in the gym, not at bodybuilding competitions. You know it is possible to lift weights and not be a bodybuilder and have those goals. I have no inclination to be a bodybuilder and compete. I only train to build my body for aesthetic purposes.

I know the prof - and you are definitely not the same.

Are you saying you are not a competitive BBer? Because you say you are not a bodybuilder in one sentence, then a couple of sentences later - you say you build your body for aesthetic purposes. I hate to break it to you - but that is the definition of BBing.

You’re wearing a metal jockstrap and you want people to take you seriously. lol

That’s the best you have? Avatar jokes? Train with me for a week - and we’ll see who is serious, and who is looking for a trash can to hurl in.

And I’m an old man. [/quote]

Well I don’t want an old man to hurl. How old are you? You sound like a 21 year old kid.

Anyway I don’t live in Texas, Prof x does. I live in Tallahassee Florida. I work out at Gold’s Gym off of Appalache Parkway. Come on in and join me if you like.

Here is the routine I’ll make you do with me. I hope you can make it through half of it.


This is close to your TBT, but this is how I do it. It’s only 5 grueling sets, bring an extra set of lungs with ya too.

PURGATORY (100 rep sets, consisting of max weight from 1 rep to 10 reps and back to 1) 1 rep =1RM weight, 2 reps= 2RM weight… Rest is only long enough to strip or change weights

1 SET per exercise (Reps/set= 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1)*
note* max weight on the descent reps down to 1 is lighter than the initial max weight

Rest 3-5 minutes between exercises

Exercises (2 light warm up sets before each PURGATORY set) ~10 reps with 50% of 1RM weight

1- Back Squat
2- Clean & Press
3- Bench Press
4- Bentover Row
5- Barbell Curl

This routine is the exact one I did a few weeks ago and its in my blog.

[quote]rainjack wrote:

Are you saying you are not a competitive BBer? Because you say you are not a bodybuilder in one sentence, then a couple of sentences later - you say you build your body for aesthetic purposes. I hate to break it to you - but that is the definition of BBing.

[/quote]
I also play guitar, but I don’t consider myself a musician either because it is not my daily job. I don’t consider myself a bodybuilder just because I do weight training. To me, Ronnie Coleman is a bodybuilder and Slash is a musician. I have a job and its not either one of them.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Well I don’t want an old man to hurl. How old are you? You sound like a 21 year old kid.[/quote]

And you sound like a 13 year-old. I don’t like bullshit - and you have been spewing it for several days. You are making my site look and sound trashy. I don’t like that.

This old man will be having to carry your ass out because I don’t allow talking - and I you would probably explode if you weren’t allowed to run your mouth.

No - he doesn’t. I don’t go to foo-foo gyms. I train alone in the gym I built in the warehouse of my office building.

[quote]Here is the routine I’ll make you do with me. I hope you can make it through half of it.


This is close to your TBT, but this is how I do it. It’s only 5 grueling sets, bring an extra set of lungs with ya too.

PURGATORY (100 rep sets, consisting of max weight from 1 rep to 10 reps and back to 1) 1 rep =1RM weight, 2 reps= 2RM weight… Rest is only long enough to strip or change weights

1 SET per exercise (Reps/set= 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1)*
note* max weight on the descent reps down to 1 is lighter than the initial max weight

Rest 3-5 minutes between exercises

Exercises (2 light warm up sets before each PURGATORY set) ~10 reps with 50% of 1RM weight

1- Back Squat
2- Clean & Press
3- Bench Press
4- Bentover Row
5- Barbell Curl

This routine is the exact one I did a few weeks ago and its in my blog.

[/quote]

Funny thing about talkers. They talk. Not much else.

I never said I was a TBT-only guy. Try reading a little something besides your own posts - it makes you look stupid.

I have stated my issues with this thread several times - you can find them if you just looked.

I invited you to train with me. You pussed out, and tried to turn the table.

But - talkers do that. Now do some more talking. I can’t wait to read it.

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
rainjack wrote:

Are you saying you are not a competitive BBer? Because you say you are not a bodybuilder in one sentence, then a couple of sentences later - you say you build your body for aesthetic purposes. I hate to break it to you - but that is the definition of BBing.

I also play guitar, but I don’t consider myself a musician either because it is not my daily job. I don’t consider myself a bodybuilder just because I do weight training. To me, Ronnie Coleman is a bodybuilder and Slash is a musician. I have a job and its not either one of them.
[/quote]

Do you consider yourself a guitar player? Ronnie Coleman is a pro. Slash is a Pro. You are getting lost in semantics because you have run out of shit to say.

But I said that already.

[quote]invnoone wrote:
I stopped reading after page 2…

I can see Chad and Christian sitting back, reading these posts out loud to each other and pissing themselves laughing while chugging beers, or Metabolic Drive…[/quote]

This post shows that you are a fanboy and douchebag. No one is taking the side of splits because they are CT’s fanboys. They are taking the position because that is what worked for them.

Likewise, no one is arguing against TBT because they are anti-CW. Most of the people on the side of splits are sophisticated lifters and likely couldn’t care less what CW and CT write.

If you were not a clueless twit, you’d realize that CW and CT did not invent, discover, or revolutionize TBT and split training. They are just a couple of guys making up programs/writing articles in an effort to further their careers. (And T-Mag is, most emphatically, a king maker.)

Why you guys get so attached to given writers really crack me up. You’re like the people who cry when their favorite actors win an Oscar.

Just because someone is the biggest doesn’t mean they know the most about training. I bet most of you split-people have read very few of Chad’s articles.

Flashing pictures of various pro’s as proof? Proof of what? Not one CW “defender” or TBT guy has said splits don’t work. Obviously they have their place.

I did Chad’s routine for 3 weeks before I had to take a lay off. I did make some very good gains.

I think it has been expressed enough times that TBT does suit beginners and intermediates better than advanced.

This is turning into a battle of egos at this point.

This is the funniest thread ever started.

“proof” on one side was presented by pictures of people that the preenters never met and have no proof of methods. Only some article from a BB rag. The other side presented nothing.

Some argue that because someone didn’t, it means that they couldn’t.

Didn’t does not mean couldn’t
Can does not mean should
Did does not mean always did

new study. measured foot size of subjects. subjects took spelling test. results, subjects with bigger feet scored much better. Oh, did I forget to include that the people that had smaller feet were infants?

Keep this thread alive. It gets funnier and funnier. That is if amusing and pathetic are funny