Zo's Tea Party Speech

All groups of people have racists in them, and they all also have non-racists in them. This is limited to the individual, not a group.

I want all the Leftists to give me all their money, and if they don’t, they are racist. If you don’t give me the right of way on the freeway, you are racist. If you don’t cook your food the way I do, you are racist. If you vote for a different contestant on American Idol, you are a racist. The effect of using the word is beyond weakened at this point, because Leftists use it so loosely.

When I was growing up, I got called a spaghetti eating, wop, dego, piece of shit, and did I yell racist? Nope, I just cracked a smile and said, “You’re goddam right I am.” You see, you know if you are a racist or not. It is within you, and for you to take an insult by someone who doesn’t even know you, just water off a duck’s back.

[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So what makes you so interested in American politics?[/quote]

Are you really asking me why I’d be interested in a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion? An example of where countries blindly follow (or at least did, although most still do) would be drug policy. There is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. It amazes me how you can miss that the USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. Boo hoo if you can’t name our Prime Minister, you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us.

Problem is, you overassume how much you’ve managed to pick up without in fact being immersed in the culture.

Not the same thing.

You think you know, but you don’t: it’s based on only some superficiality, on account of the disconnect.

E.g., your blanket comment on tea party members.

To make an analogy, the foreigners who endlessly comment on every detail of American politics and way of life are like people who have watched many bb’ing videos and read many articles, but have never been in the gym. Or perhaps did visit the gym during some 2 week vacation a number of years ago, but that’s it.

They think they know all about it, but having not actually been part of the culture, actually they are deluding themselves in thinking that their commentary has substance or usually much if any validity.

Or for another example: I had a post a while back where I made reference to Brown being thought to have a man-crush on Obama. I made no pretense of being an equal to the British in discussing such things. My take on it is little more than a caricature. I read a fair amount of British news because, although the writers are rather to the left, there appears to be no agenda to propagandize or drive outcomes, particularly with regard to events in America, and this quality represents a big improvement over most American news. But does this mean I have the same knowledge regarding British opinion that Brits do? Certainly not. I haven’t had the experience of myself experiencing my feelings change; I haven’t seen my neighbors and friends change their feelings or seen what caused them to do so; I haven’t been exposed to all the little things that don’t make the major papers and would be unlikely ever to be seen by a foreigner but are known to everyone in the UK.

Could I contribute intelligently to say a discussion on whether Brown’s reputation may recover or not, or any such thing? No, because of not having the experiences that result from immersion and which are not going to be picked up from afar no matter how diligently one reads news off the computer screen.

Could I offer an opinion on what BNP members on the whole are like, let’s say? Well I could but I would be foolish to do so, not being immersed in the culture. (And btw, the Tea Party movement is not a political party, so there is no direct comparison, but there’s some degree of analogy.)

It’s true that what I am saying is unlikely to get across: while there have been foreigners that have expressed the same knowledge of limitations on commenting on America as I have, for example, on any comments I might make on Britain, as for the ones that are convinced they know it all it doesn’t matter how many times it’s pointed out how fallacious this is. So I guess little is likely to be accomplished, but there it is.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So what makes you so interested in American politics?[/quote]

Are you really asking me why I’d be interested in a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion? An example of where countries blindly follow (or at least did, although most still do) would be drug policy. There is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. It amazes me how you can miss that the USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. Boo hoo if you can’t name our Prime Minister, you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us.[/quote]

I was just curious…merely asking for some insight in regards to your interest in US politics. Based on your defensive, smart ass reply, I’ll assume that you read something into my question that wasn’t there.

So allow me to edit out the smart ass…

"I’m interested in American politics because it is a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion. An example of this would be drug policy, but there is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. The USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. And it’s not surprising that you can’t name our Prime Minister, since you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us."

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=336974536902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=339478621902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=350224236902

Whoops.[/quote]

You have no idea what racism means do you?

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=336974536902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=339478621902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=350224236902

Whoops.[/quote]

I see nothing worse then what the liberal progressives did to Bush. Or does insulting someone who happens to be black considered racist now? I am not sure how the world works in your head.[/quote]

Then you didn’t watch the videos. Pictures of Obama as a monkey with the caption “Monkey see, monkey spend?” No, nothing racist about that. “Impeach the Kenyan?” Nope, nothing. “Illegal president.” Nothing to see here, folks. That one guy in the second video who flat out says Mexicans are “filthy, stinking animals” and the other guy talking about how the “wetbacks should be ashamed.”

But no, none of that’s racist, none of that’s worse than what leftists (ha) did to Bush(?).

You are so deluded it’s not even funny.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=336974536902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=339478621902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=350224236902

Whoops.[/quote]

You have no idea what racism means do you?
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Not when you keep changing the definition to suit your whims.

[quote]JPCleary wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So what makes you so interested in American politics?[/quote]

Are you really asking me why I’d be interested in a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion? An example of where countries blindly follow (or at least did, although most still do) would be drug policy. There is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. It amazes me how you can miss that the USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. Boo hoo if you can’t name our Prime Minister, you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us.[/quote]

I was just curious…merely asking for some insight in regards to your interest in US politics. Based on your defensive, smart ass reply, I’ll assume that you read something into my question that wasn’t there.

So allow me to edit out the smart ass…

"I’m interested in American politics because it is a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion. An example of this would be drug policy, but there is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. The USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. And it’s not surprising that you can’t name our Prime Minister, since you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us."
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Actually, I’m always a smartass. Don’t take it personally, it’s who I am.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=336974536902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=339478621902

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=350224236902

Whoops.[/quote]

I see nothing worse then what the liberal progressives did to Bush. Or does insulting someone who happens to be black considered racist now? I am not sure how the world works in your head.[/quote]

Then you didn’t watch the videos. Pictures of Obama as a monkey with the caption “Monkey see, monkey spend?” No, nothing racist about that. “Impeach the Kenyan?” Nope, nothing. “Illegal president.” Nothing to see here, folks. That one guy in the second video who flat out says Mexicans are “filthy, stinking animals” and the other guy talking about how the “wetbacks should be ashamed.”

But no, none of that’s racist, none of that’s worse than what leftists (ha) did to Bush(?).

You are so deluded it’s not even funny.
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So calling someone a kenyan is racist? illegal president is racist? I saw bush compared to a monkey all the time. Maybe because these people are paying for the criminals(illegals) they use that term to describe certain groups.

You don’t know what racism is.( I will give the all mexicans are dirty is racist) but I can find plenty of videos of certain people in the democrats party talking really bad about white people. Like I said crazies in all groups, but most are good people.

I don’t pretend to understand how your crazy head works, one day you will wake up.

I seriously hope you’re not trying to say that calling a black man a monkey is not racist.

And calling someone a Kenyan or illegal is not racist in and of itself, but to anyone ever-so-slightly tethered to our reality will see that it is in context. He’s not a Kenyan, he’s an American. If it’s “just about his policies,” why would his place of birth even come up? Furthermore, he’s not an illegal president. Again, why would that come up if not for the obvious nativism that runs throughout the movement? Bush was much, MUCH closer to an illegal president than Obama, yet that was “leftist slander,” or whatever the phrase is now. Because he was white and Christian (but mainly because he was white), these people didn’t have a problem with it.

There are a lot of things they are paying for, but “illegal” immigrants just aren’t a very big deal in the grand scheme of things. Immigrants tend to use less social services than natives do (in fact, only about half). So when you look at the facts (which you should be in favor of), the bitter anti-Hispanic sentiment just doesn’t make sense without the racist element. It’s not like most of them are living high on the hog. I’m not saying everyone in the Tea Party movement (or even most) are racist, but to deny that there are a LOT who are is just turning a blind eye toward it. Of course, since you’re a Ron Paul supporter, you’re used to having to rationalize away your idol’s repeated racist statements.

Yeah, I’m going to take you up on this one. You find me videos of people talking about Bush, or whomever in racist tones that compare to this. I’d like to see it.

Oh, I sure do hope I’m as smart as you one day.

You know Ryan, I think Mexico is really racist. They arrest, deport, or even shoot those who enter into it’s southern border illegally. How dare they. They are racist against Central Americans who pass through Mexico on their way to “El Norte.” They just want a better life, to work, and to support their families. Their anti-Latino sentiment is wrong. Latinos hating on Latinos, are they racist too?

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]JPCleary wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So what makes you so interested in American politics?[/quote]

Are you really asking me why I’d be interested in a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion? An example of where countries blindly follow (or at least did, although most still do) would be drug policy. There is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. It amazes me how you can miss that the USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. Boo hoo if you can’t name our Prime Minister, you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us.[/quote]

I was just curious…merely asking for some insight in regards to your interest in US politics. Based on your defensive, smart ass reply, I’ll assume that you read something into my question that wasn’t there.

So allow me to edit out the smart ass…

"I’m interested in American politics because it is a country that dictates a lot of the policies of western countries, albeit in an indirect fashion. An example of this would be drug policy, but there is much more than that.

That goes not just for me, but anyone living in a “western” country. The USA has a large impact on the rest of the world. And it’s not surprising that you can’t name our Prime Minister, since you guys don’t take policy advice (directly or indirectly) from us."
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Actually, I’m always a smartass. Don’t take it personally, it’s who I am.[/quote]

We took Bungee jumping policy advice from you Kiwi’s.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You know Ryan, I think Mexico is really racist. They arrest, deport, or even shoot those who enter into it’s southern border illegally. How dare they. They are racist against Central Americans who pass through Mexico on their way to “El Norte.” They just want a better life, to work, and to support their families. Their anti-Latino sentiment is wrong. Latinos hating on Latinos, are they racist too? [/quote]

Well latinos are not a race so it is not. I am latino parents are from Mexico and I am German and Spanish.

P.S. just busting your chops I get what you are saying.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You know Ryan, I think Mexico is really racist. They arrest, deport, or even shoot those who enter into it’s southern border illegally. How dare they. They are racist against Central Americans who pass through Mexico on their way to “El Norte.” They just want a better life, to work, and to support their families. Their anti-Latino sentiment is wrong. Latinos hating on Latinos, are they racist too? [/quote]

Possibly. I don’t know anything about that situation.

What? You think it’s impossible for different groups of Hispanics to dislike each other?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

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If bush can be called a monkey so can Obama. Illegal immagrants rape our social programs and our hospitals.

I am not seeing anything racist about our president, nor was my comment about people saying racist things about white people directed at Bush.

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html here is a group of blacks attacking a white family that got done celebrating freedom. Again the majority of blacks are democrats. this is true racism. Holding up a sign with a picture of a monkey and comparing him to hitler is not racist. If Bush was able to have those things done to him then so Is obama.

Like I said, one day you will have to live in the real world and then all will make sense to you.

Sure he can, but it’s racist when you call Obama a monkey.

Come on, even you can’t be this retarded (I’ve already sent a letter of apology to Sarah Palin). I’m not saying you can’t go to your rallies and have fun, just admit the obvious–there are a lot of racists there. Denying it only makes you look foolish.

Illegal immigrant households tend to use less than half the social services that native households use.

You don’t see it because you don’t want to see it. Just like you don’t want to see all the racist comments that Ron Paul has made.

AHAHAHA!!! Here is one person (as opposed to the dozens and dozens in the videos I posted) saying “you ain’t right just because you’re white” (as opposed to calling Obama a monkey, “Mexicans are filthy, stinking animals,” or “the wetbacks should be ashamed”), who may or may not be Democrat (as opposed to the numerous people who are obviously Tea Party supporters in my links), but “my” party (ha! the Communists were the only party during the WWI era who supported fully equal rights for all ethnicities and women) is full of racists. I don’t see why I even bother to critique your posts. You do an excellent job of hanging yourself.

Hello, John, we’re all here. Wake up! You’ve been out for a long time!

Oh, thank you so much for that video. This only strengthens my case.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Sure he can, but it’s racist when you call Obama a monkey.

Come on, even you can’t be this retarded (I’ve already sent a letter of apology to Sarah Palin). I’m not saying you can’t go to your rallies and have fun, just admit the obvious–there are a lot of racists there. Denying it only makes you look foolish.

Illegal immigrant households tend to use less than half the social services that native households use.

You don’t see it because you don’t want to see it. Just like you don’t want to see all the racist comments that Ron Paul has made.

AHAHAHA!!! Here is one person (as opposed to the dozens and dozens in the videos I posted) saying “you ain’t right just because you’re white” (as opposed to calling Obama a monkey, “Mexicans are filthy, stinking animals,” or “the wetbacks should be ashamed”), who may or may not be Democrat (as opposed to the numerous people who are obviously Tea Party supporters in my links), but “my” party (ha! the Communists were the only party during the WWI era who supported fully equal rights for all ethnicities and women) is full of racists. I don’t see why I even bother to critique your posts. You do an excellent job of hanging yourself.

Hello, John, we’re all here. Wake up! You’ve been out for a long time!
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If Bush was aloud to be called a monkey then so is Obama. We are all equal, if it is ok for one person it ok for the other person. You see unlike you who still has racist tendencies I have moved past that, skin color doesn’t matter and anyone who divides people by their skin color is racist.

I see racism every time I look at the democrat(socialist) party. NAACP, black panthers, the original supporters of the KKK.

Next

Now you’re repeating yourself, no doubt curled up in the fetal position under your keyboard:

of course Obama can be called a monkey, but in this case, it has overtly racist connotations. Have you seriously never seen “black people = monkeys” slur? And again, you have not explained why people would refer to his citizenship, place of birth (or draw pictures of him dressed up as an African witchdoctor) if they have nothing to do with ethnicity.

And you look at the US, with shocking black/white disparities in income, level of education, incarceration rates, and access to services like medical care, and you say “Nah, no problem here,” (not to mention all of the overtly racist fare at the Tea Parties) but you look at the NAACP and see “Racists, all of them!”?

Aha! you have moved past race, and now can freely call a black person a monkey, or a Mexican a wetback, and it’s not racist when you do it?

Thank you sir!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Now you’re repeating yourself, no doubt curled up in the fetal position under your keyboard:

of course Obama can be called a monkey, but in this case, it has overtly racist connotations. Have you seriously never seen “black people = monkeys” slur?

Aha, you have moved past race, and now can freely call a black person a monkey, or a Mexican a wetback, and it’s not racist when you do it?

Thank you sir![/quote]

I wouldn’t call anyone a racist name, as I would not have it done to me. You are living in a fantasy if you think it is me getting slapped around here.

Again if Bush was aloud to call to be compared to a monkey then Obama is aloud to too. Unless you are suggesting that we are not equal?

See you are losing this debate because you are unable to prove your points, you claim you are not racist then say that people are different. Like I said you are living in a fantasy world and very soon you will have to wake up to reality.