[quote]boss99er wrote:
I should be ok as far as food goes. I ate about 2 hours before taking the ZMA, I waited another 45 minutes and then had .5 cup cottage cheese and a Tbsp of PB. Everything there should be alright. Oh, and my ZMA has the acitate(sp?) kind.[/quote]
Medium to large meals take 3-4 hours to empty the stomach. Something to consider if your eating a meal with calcium.
2 hours aint gonna cut it.
[quote]tinman915 wrote:
I got dramatic results in 2 or 3 days. I think I was very deficient in z or m (probably due to beer (does that wash out z or m?)) and this stuff hit home for me. If you don’t see a real effect quickly maybe you just aren’t deficient in z or m. I think it is all about adjusting a deficiency.[/quote]
Yes, alcohol has a dramatic effect on lowering mineral reverves in the body. Not to mention lowers testosterone and raises estrogen. Oh yea, lowers GH levels as well. Then it poisins the liver, which then is less effective at washing out estrogens.
Reduces immune systems ability to fight off infection, and stresses the adrenal glands/CNS which affects the bodies ability to recover from workouts and build and repair muscle/tissue.
Alcohol sucks.
For those that combine ZMA with Melatonin, do you take them at the same time or staggered? For example, take ZMA first then 1 hour later take your Melatonin?
I’m asking b/c I’m trying to get off Ambien and my main problem is falling off to sleep.
Thanks,
Dan
Dan, you can take your melatonin and ZMA at the same time. There wouldn’t be anything wrong with brewing some Sleepy Time tea before bed, either. You can find it in a lot of grocery stores. It’s made by Celestial Seasonings.
[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
Dan, you can take your melatonin and ZMA at the same time. There wouldn’t be anything wrong with brewing some Sleepy Time tea before bed, either. You can find it in a lot of grocery stores. It’s made by Celestial Seasonings. [/quote]
Tampa-Terry,
Thanks and good to hear from you. Always nice to see one of the veterans still offer up advice.
-Dan
I fyou guys are looking fo rsomthing to boost natural test. and looking for something to give you better sleep try dhea I take 100mg. Not that you should stop taking zma. bu twill help with sleep better. If you are looking fo ra cheap place to buy try www.swanson.com
First night I took it, I didn’t notice anything. The next 2 nights I had the vivid dreams, but I still wake up 2x/night.
I’m starting John Berardi’s GSD on Sunday (2/11/07) and I’ll start taking them again.
For the record, I bought the BN brand.
You all need to remember that you must have about 2+ hours after your last meal for this stuff to really work. Also taking it with a good amount of calcium will inhibit its absorption.
It works wonders for me, and I take it about 2.5 hours after I eat.
[quote]Drax wrote:
You all need to remember that you must have about 2+ hours after your last meal for this stuff to really work. Also taking it with a good amount of calcium will inhibit its absorption.
It works wonders for me, and I take it about 2.5 hours after I eat. [/quote]
But is it okay to eat food again after you’ve taken it on an empty stomach if so how long?
I mean as long as your not taking it w/ calcium youll get the full effect right. Like tonight I took it on an empty stomach than at some chicken which as no calcium
It took me a few nights to get adjusted to ZMAs as well. After that… sweet sweet dreams. My first month of taking ZMAs, I used to always wake up with a boner, get up from my bed, take a big stretch with arms out, and have the best feeling restful ever.
The effects have died down a bit now, but the vivid dreams are still there. And right after waking up, I have to take the BIGGEST and longest and yellowish-orange piss ever.
I used to take Allmax, now I’m trying out ON’s ZMA. Also, definitely don’t take it with calcium within 2 hours of ZMA.
ZMA makes it hard for me to get up in the morning, cause i dont want to leave happy dream world
last night i dreamed i was knee deep in water making out with this gorgeous girl in a one piece swimsuit, and i swear she had the BEST feeling ass EVER, so soft and firm and scrumptious
i probably was just grabbing my own ass in my sleep and licking my pillow.
But the thing is… not all vivid dreams are good. lol. Sometimes I’ll have the worst of dreams, suddenly waking up, and then just feeling really glad it wasn’t real.
schultzie you probably were (it’s amazing how diffrent things seem in your sleep) but I really dont want you to say anything about that again.
Could anyone tell me how you should still get your daily required calcium and take ZMA, What are the best way to cycle (or just take) it, how do brands compare. (I’m probably going to use Biotest’s if I do use anything) also how nessacery is it if you have healthy amounts of zinc and magnesium, but get a lot of exercise.
Could having ZMA be dangerous ( I heard that some athletes double and triple dose and this can lead to certain problems like could lead to side effects such as increased copper requirements (zinc intake over 50mg/day), diarrhea (magnesium intake over 1000mg/day) or nerve damage/pain (B6 intake over 200mg/day).
I had the best sex dream last night.
Great, I have them most nights. Could anyone awnser my question
I’d save your money. ZMA has some massive assumptions tied to its claims of increasing testosterone and IGF-1, the biggest one being that athletes have some sort of huge deficiency in zinc and magnesium caused by piss-poor diets or they’re somehow excreting these minerals through exercise. I think it’s safe to say that if you’re willing to fork over the dough for ZMA then you’re probably paying attention to what you eat or at least taking a decent multivitamin.
It doesn’t matter if it’s ZMA or another related supplement. Supplementing with it will not raise anabolic hormone levels if there’s no shortage of these minerals to correct. And then of course there’s the premise that a deficit in these minerals does have an impact on T-levels.
That being said, ZMA can be a successful (albeit a pricey) sleep aid. This is why it’s recommended to be taken before bedtime. Getting a good night’s sleep plays a significant role in recuperation and hypertrophy so if you have a problem counting sheep then you may want to give ZMA a try. Personally, I’d go with another effective but much cheaper supplement such as melatonin as a sleep aid.
[quote]tinman915 wrote:
Everyone here says do not take with calcium but I have read elsewhere “best taken with calcium”, anybody know the real deal? I am still taking it and if I keep getting the same results then I am on for life, although after a couple of bottles I may throttle back to two pills and maybe even one to see what the lowest effective dose for me is. Goddam I am loving the sleep. If you are used to just sleeping through the night you don’t know what a treat it can be for someone who hasn’t done it in maybe 10 or 15 years (really). btw-I am 47 years old.[/quote]
didnt read through the whole thread, so maybe this has been answered, but from what ive read, calcium and magnesium compete for the same receptor sites. Hence no calcium around when your taking your ZMA.
[quote]ibizan wrote:
I’d save your money. ZMA has some massive assumptions tied to its claims of increasing testosterone and IGF-1, the biggest one being that athletes have some sort of huge deficiency in zinc and magnesium caused by piss-poor diets or they’re somehow excreting these minerals through exercise. I think it’s safe to say that if you’re willing to fork over the dough for ZMA then you’re probably paying attention to what you eat or at least taking a decent multivitamin. It doesn’t matter if it’s ZMA or another related supplement. Supplementing with it will not raise anabolic hormone levels if there’s no shortage of these minerals to correct. And then of course there’s the premise that a deficit in these minerals does have an impact on T-levels.
That being said, ZMA can be a successful (albeit a pricey) sleep aid. This is why it’s recommended to be taken before bedtime. Getting a good night’s sleep plays a significant role in recuperation and hypertrophy so if you have a problem counting sheep then you may want to give ZMA a try. Personally, I’d go with another effective but much cheaper supplement such as melatonin as a sleep aid.
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Poliquin states that 99% of atheltes he was taken samples from are defficient in zinc. the number range for magnesium varies, and from my understanding the B6 is simply to help the uptakes of the magnesium or zinc, cant recall. anyway Dr. mauro dipasquale also talks about taking additional zinc for the same reasons in his book anabolic diet. I believe the recomendation is 50mgs in addition to your MV and if defficient an additional 50mg
[quote]Curodd wrote:
Poliquin states that 99% of atheltes he was taken samples from are defficient in zinc. the number range for magnesium varies, and from my understanding the B6 is simply to help the uptakes of the magnesium or zinc, cant recall. anyway Dr. mauro dipasquale also talks about taking additional zinc for the same reasons in his book anabolic diet. I believe the recomendation is 50mgs in addition to your MV and if defficient an additional 50mg
[/quote]I’m not saying there’s no benefit in zinc supplementation but that assumes there’s a deficiency and even then the research isn’t conclusive. Here are few studies that you may want to check out:
Brila LR and Conte V. Novel Zinc and Magnesium Formulation ( ZMA) Increases Anabolic Hormones and Strength in Athletes. JEPonline. 2000 Oct;3(4):26-36.
PrasadAS, MantzorosCS, BeckFW, HessJW,Brewer GJ. Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults. Nutrition. 1996 May;12(5):344-
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Singh A,Day BA,DeBolt JE, et al. Magnesium, Zinc and Copper status of US Navy SEAL Trainees. AmJ ClinNutr.1989 Apr;49(4):695-700.
Telford RD, Catchpole EA, Deakin V, et al. The effect of 7 to 8 months of vitamin/mineral supplementation on the vitamin and mineral status of athletes. IntJ SportNutr. 1992 Jun;2(2):123-34.
BTW, Poliquin uses melatonin (in cream form).