Yuri Fedorenko - Prep & Comp Cycle - Sheiko

[chris_ottawa]

@gaelic - take a look at these videos. I think that Louie’s use of the term “dynamic effort” is a misnomer if anything, it is basically just submaximal work with controlled rest periods.

Westside Barbell DE Upper Body 1.31.15

Westside Barbell DE Lower Body 12.4.15

[gaelic]

@chris_ottawa

The sort of advanced lifters that Sheiko is referring to are world class lifters. If you look at the sample programs you will see that there is a “skills evaluation” about a month out from the meet, you are supposed to work up to your previous 1rm and if it moves well then go for a small PR. He said (on his forum, I believe) that he doesn’t get advanced lifters to do this because any increase will be small and there are more risks involved and so on. He has also said that four month blocks were found to give the best results.

That’s why I wrote for advanced athletes (I mean performance class CMS and higher)…

@chris_ottawa

I am curious as to why your training cycles last an entire year, can you explain?

If you look at block periodizations, for example, for bobsleighers, you will find, for example, that in the Olympic sport there is an absolutely normal annual training macrocycle, which has a different focus in each month of the year. The peak of the said macrocycle is in the form of force tests that are not frequent in the year, in other words, they are remote from each other. Frequent tests of personal records (in the gym) would cause exhaustion of the given competitors in the competitions and possible injury.

As far as my person is concerned, as I have said several times, I am approaching my natural ceiling on the bench press, which is about 155 kg, so I have to go through long preparatory blocks for potential strength improvement.

@chris_ottawa

About dynamic work, I agree that the way it is done at Westside doesn’t make a lot of sense for raw powerlifters because the bands and chains will make it heavy at the top and the bar weight is too low at the bottom. However, anecdotal evidence of lifters getting good result with this method suggest that there might be something to it still. For equipped lifting it makes more sense, and multi-ply in particular, because the gear is so tight at the bottom of the lift. Speed absolutely does matter in that case because the faster you can move out of the bottom the faster the bar will be moving at the sticking point. Also, you can see what Blaine Sumner said about his recent trip to Westside. He mentioned that the band tension they use is much more than people think, their speed work is not light and easy at all. The percentages of bar weight may be low, but combined with accommodating resistance it isn’t that much different from the submaximal work that you do yourself.

But I wrote in the context of raw strength. The raw powerlifting is not about developing the fastest speeds in the entire range of motion. You only have to accelerate in the amortization phase to overcome the dead point. The raw powerlifting requires a sufficiently developed hypertrophy to lift heavy weights, because good hypertrophy is a crucial determinant in this sport.

@chris_ottawa

@gaelic - take a look at these videos. I think that Louie’s use of the term “dynamic effort” is a misnomer if anything, it is basically just submaximal work with controlled rest periods.

I’ve already seen these videos. I disagree with Simmons in many ways, so it would be useless to write more words.

[chris_ottawa]

Looking at what you posted in your training log, it doesn’t seem too far off from Westside-style speed work. Whether or not speed is relevant to this sport is debatable, but one thing we all agree upon is that doing multiple low rep sets with a moderate weight does provide a training stimulus.

Just curious, when you work with weights that aren’t particularly challenging do you attempt to move the weight as fast as possible or just apply the necessary force to complete the lift? Fred Hatfield came up with the term Compensatory Acceleration Training (CAT), which can be applied in a submaximal speed work fashion but also to other work sets that are more challenging or for higher reps. The idea is that by applying as much force as possible it recruits more and larger muscle fibres, as well as keeping them activated through a larger range of motion. It also trains the nervous system to automatically apply more force into your lifts, rather than moving light weights slowly or reducing speed as you pass the sticking point. I have been applying this to my training for the last while, I have seen the most results in my squat.

[gaelic]

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[badboy69cancer]

@gaelic

In principle, many American lifters lack patience, willpower, diligence, and ability to think better in longer-term training sessions. They are trying stupidly every week about personal records

What are your credentials? Other, than your respectable, but somewhat mediocre lift PR’s and quotes from Yuri Verkohoshansky? I won’t deny, that most Americans misunderstand a huge deal of the Russian methodology, but it’s obvious you misunderstood a huge deal of the American methodology. All those critiques and faults you mentioned, allot understand quite clearly. What benefit exactly are you trying to bring to the forum, other than telling us that Americans have been doing it wrong all these years and lol… Excel. Also, it would probably be more respectful to criticize and challenge coach Thibs opinions head on via his forum. At least he would have the chance to engage in what exactly you don’t think he understands, as well as giving the community the benefit of learning from the correction of his misunderstandings. Personally, I don’t buy it and am surprised some of the guys here are entertaining your parroting.