If there’s a scale to be had here, I suppose a chemistry teacher could be less potentially creepy than a kindergarten teacher, but still wouldn’t put them in the same category as someone chasing the passion of a sport and it’s encapsulation of competition, victory, loss, team & individual effort et cetera.
While I’m sure we can work hard to overlay separating qualities in to teaching algebra, it would require work and intentional buy-in with a bit of a forced feeling.
I realize not everybody played sports competitively, and would only have an apples to apples comparison to make or force, and I would stop here.
I’ve answered your question a couple times, even before your direct response to my comment.
I don’t see being surrounded by children, especially in the capacity of an educator and with pay as a compounding factor, to be a draw for men without an ulterior motivation. Such as coaching a sport, being involved with a full fledged woodworking shop et cetera. My question around men simply teaching to teach would be what their ulterior motivation is, because you won’t convince me it’s the same. And it’s one I would be suspicious of.
So basically you can understand liking football but can’t understand liking math, so math teachers are creepy? It’s not a matter of me disagreeing. There just isn’t data to support your bias against teachers but not coaches. But I guess, the fact that you don’t find numbers convincing and also don’t like math kind of makes sense.
There is nothing you have typed I would disagree with. I may have been a bit free with my use of social justice warrior. It just came to mind. She would call me a Neanderthal possibly. And I would have to agree with her. At times I can be thick. If I have been offensive, that was not the purpose, but I could see that it could be my end result. I was more ranting, and somehow not on the topic of male virginity. I will let the male virginity commentators take it from here.
A bit of a slant on what I said. You’re compartmentalizing and minimizing in a way that alters the overriding message, creates logical fallacies annd introduces intentionally manipulative bylines. I’m not interested in a long semantics exchange.
Interestingly, most male teachers in my schools growing up were coaches. They loved coaching, had to teach. And this isn’t a one-off scenario outside of Internet logic wars.
One of the few males who taught, but was not a coach, did molest some boys and allegedly worse. He also killed himself when caught by walking on to an interstate in front of a semi. Pretty intense.
I went to big schools and didn’t know the kids personally, so maybe outside the scope of your question.
I also have no problem generalizing from a high level observatory place, which I think is also what you’re going to try to corner so I’ll save you some time.
Hopefully your community can come up a step and change perceptions.
In the meantime, if a violent crime happens, I can very objectively place a bet with some excellent odds in Vegas, so there’s that for bias. I believe this would be called “confirmed bias”, which isn’t something to apologize for even if unfortunate.
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Here is a fun one. Mass shootings. When you remove the gang drive by scenarios and whatever else and really focus on what we all know is a “mass shooting”, who comes to mind?
You may lie to carry a point online but you know exactly who. You do it too. And that’s ok, you’re not wrong even if there are exceptions to the rule. The rule is still the rule.
And, it’s a huge problem. Not something to brush off, allow for fighting the police over, make excuses and lie for et cetera. It’s something that needs to be addressed. And it’s good to know that.
Not trying to get into a semantics exchange. Honestly, trying to understand what you think the distinction is. I can see how being a football coach has elements of competition, team building, and organization management that teaching math doesn’t have, so I think that’s a valid distinction (even if data shows that on average coaches aren’t less likely to abuse students).
But what about being a shop teacher. Why are shop teachers less creepy than math teachers? No organization, no competition, no team. Just woodworking vs. algebra.
A shop still allows for greater depth of passion, and provides a full suite of tools most wouldn’t be able to buy or house on their own, and so the primary interest is the shop, not being around kids.
Interestingly and I am aware anecdotally, I took an auto shop class as an elective in high school. The two teachers were males, and were partners in a real automotive shop.
Our projects were their paying customers. It was a hilarious racket and I’m not sure how it was legal but they did it. I’m pretty sure one of them actually hated kids. Cool class though. This was when working on engines was mechanical and not high tech.
You’re also glossing over my intentional generalities of male teachers and focusing on traditionally masculine personas. There are unfortunately elementary school male teachers in my current town. Not coaches, no shops to access, just shitty pay, no real career advancement and surrounded by a bunch of little kids all day. This absolutely raises a flag for me, unapologetically.
While individual dichotomies of who is who at a very granular level could be interesting, I’m not actually interested in deep analysis. It’s weird and creepy. And, again, I know you disagree and that’s ok.
But only when you isolate, manipulate and project what you’re wishing I said back. Or, maybe it’s YOU, and what you’re choosing to hear. Which would be par for the course.