[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You can put his picture on your DILFDO! (Look it up, twat). You can moan in pleasure while using it on yourself.[/quote]
Have you noticed how, everytime you get really pissed, you end up using gay/anal/homo-erotic themes and terms in all your insults? It’s interesting to see where your mind goes when you lose control.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
War is always about old men sending young men to die.Anyone who has seen combat wouldn’t encourage anyone they cared about to actively seek it.
Yeah, what’s with all the gay porn jizz references? Are you sure it’s the assthma and not the “don’t ass don’t tell” policy that kept you out?
And the bottom line – (oops, don’t go off and start whacking it yet because I said “bottom”) – the bottom line is, asside from your assthma, it’s obvious you don’t have a son or you wouldn’t be nearly so gung-ho about war.
War is a terrible, grim thing. Sometimes necessary, yes. But only as an absolute last resort. To speak of it in such gushing tones is disrespectful to the men who have to actually do the fighting and bleeding and dying.
I would imagine the crippled and disfigured young men at the Disabled American Veterans would find your naive blood lust even more offensive than I do.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Something about NJ must make many of the people there drooling idiots.
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Funny, cause we say that about the rest of the country.
One “T” buddy, not two. “Paterson”
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
War is always about old men sending young men to die.Anyone who has seen combat wouldn’t encourage anyone they cared about to actively seek it.
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Hence why so many generals are so much slower to want combat than politicians. The more you’ve seen, the less you want it.
This story doesn’t change through history.
Neuromancer stated, “Anyone who has seen combat wouldn’t encourage anyone they cared about to actively seek it, (war)”
Being a combat veteran of Vietnam, 1969, and Iraq, 2004, I wholeheartly
agree with your statement.
FightinIrish26 stated, “…generals are so much slower to want combat.”
During the Gulf War, one of the generals was asked if he was discouraged that there being a cease fire, would not allow the push to completely destroy the Iraqi Armies. His reply was, to my recollection, “What ever it takes to keep one of my soldiers from dying is the right course.”
Being envoius because you can’t help fight in the war (Iraq/War on Terror) and defeat evil is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Don’t get me wrong, defending this country during a legitimate war is the most noble thing in the world. Encouraging young men, to sign up for the military now to fight in some third world toilet is shameful.
Let’s be honest, this is not a war. What is going on right now is basically imperialism perpetrated by the the Bush administration under the disguise of freeing Iraq while using terrorism and 911 as the segue to it all. Honestly, why does Iraq need to be free and Democratic more than any other country? Oh yeah, they have oil that we need!! And why is it that American men and women are fighting for Iraqi freedom while a great many of our freedoms here in the US are being trampled on a la the US Patriot act 1 & 2?? Look the current government doesn’t give a flying shit about you, me or anyone else.
They care about profits and power and they will do whatever it takes to get them, whether it be destroying the WTC, stirring up the bees nest between Israel & Lebanon, Bombing Iran/Syria or sending thousands of 18-40 year olds to their death. As long as the oil flows and bank accounts grow for the “rich white men” that is all that matters. So please don’t delude yourself or any other youngsters into believing you or they are doing something noble. Your basiclly leading lambs to a slaughter. And to the soldiers we have currently fighting over in the Middle East, God bless you all and come home safe and soon. Lord knows you don’t need to be there to further some assholes (Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Rove) agenda.
[quote]tommyboy wrote:
Being envoius because you can’t help fight in the war (Iraq/War on Terror) and defeat evil is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Don’t get me wrong, defending this country during a legitimate war is the most noble thing in the world. Encouraging young men, to sign up for the military now to fight in some third world toilet is shameful.
Let’s be honest, this is not a war. What is going on right now is basically imperialism perpetrated by the the Bush administration under the disguise of freeing Iraq while using terrorism and 911 as the segue to it all. Honestly, why does Iraq need to be free and Democratic more than any other country? Oh yeah, they have oil that we need!! And why is it that American men and women are fighting for Iraqi freedom while a great many of our freedoms here in the US are being trampled on a la the US Patriot act 1 & 2?? Look the current government doesn’t give a flying shit about you, me or anyone else.
They care about profits and power and they will do whatever it takes to get them, whether it be destroying the WTC, stirring up the bees nest between Israel & Lebanon, Bombing Iran/Syria or sending thousands of 18-40 year olds to their death. As long as the oil flows and bank accounts grow for the “rich white men” that is all that matters. So please don’t delude yourself or any other youngsters into believing you or they are doing something noble. Your basiclly leading lambs to a slaughter. And to the soldiers we have currently fighting over in the Middle East, God bless you all and come home safe and soon. Lord knows you don’t need to be there to further some assholes (Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Rove) agenda.[/quote]
Tommy, so let’s assume that Bush & Co got nothing out of the deal. I know that this is a stretch as even I don’t believe it but just play along. If that were the case and we were genuinely going over there to kick Saddam’s ass out would you be on board for this fight? Would you classify it as noble and worthwhile then?
It just seems that too many people are overly concerned with what some “rich white men” get out of the deal while disregarding what a poor Iraqi gets out of it. As I said when I volunteered to go, I really could give a shit about George Bush and Haliburton ect. I am going to free Iraqis and to give them a safer place to live. I did that. Does the president profit? Probably, but I don’t care.
Imagine if you will that I want to take some orphan to go see a football game. Most people are missing the point that a kid got to see a game, but instead accuse my truck’s oil consumption of lining some “rich white man’s” pockets.
Frankly, what I’ve gotten out of this thread is that the majority of guys commenting here bring no honor to themselves with what they’ve said. I really think that if Headhunter wanted to go he could find a way. I saw some guys in their 50’s over there and the guard will take almost anyone with a pulse. Insofar as asthma, one of my Marines got a waiver for it. At the same time I think those guys coming down on him should find something better to do with themselves. I am not knocking vulgarity, hell I was a Marine, and I still can barely be decent in civil society, but I think talking trash online is a coward’s game. Well, unless it’s really creative then it’s kinda fun, but you guys aren’t coming up with anything original.
Mike
I have a friend who is joining the Marines (UK, not US!) and i admire him greatly. Not because he will go and kill and “defend freedom”, but for him, he has found somethng that he is actually talented at. He wants a career from this, to be a professional, he is doing the longest and toughest course open to military personell in the world (more than seals…36 weeks). He may become an engineer, demo, or something that will aid him in the future. He is a graduate with a degree. He will have experiences that only a few will ever do. Alpine training, jungle and survival training. The downside to that investment is combat.
Now, for many in the US army, the choice is Mc Donalds or Iraq. They have no choice. The US army is too big for that degree of professionalism. So from your middle class seat, you can easily say that…go, fight, get post traumatic stress disorder that will ruin your life, loose your colon in a shrapnel attack etc etc. Doing it has to be for more reasoned choices than “defend christendom” or the like. If that is your MO, then we havent moved on since the middle ages.
Me, I am alright jack. I have ensured my genes will pass on, that my children will be OK. That is why people go to war. Not for the greater good, but it will benefit them, in terms of monetary value, social status and creadibility, and lack of choice. It has to be one of the more tough choices to allow all those things just mentioned rather than getting educated and getting a career.
All this macho bullshit ids truly laughable. Hard Power will only stifle a country. It is soft power that will move us all forward. For a lesson in that read art of war.
Then teach that to your school kids.
It wont be their children either. Interesting way of potentiating your genes to go forward?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tommyboy wrote:
Being envoius because you can’t help fight in the war (Iraq/War on Terror) and defeat evil is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Don’t get me wrong, defending this country during a legitimate war is the most noble thing in the world. Encouraging young men, to sign up for the military now to fight in some third world toilet is shameful.
Let’s be honest, this is not a war. What is going on right now is basically imperialism perpetrated by the the Bush administration under the disguise of freeing Iraq while using terrorism and 911 as the segue to it all. Honestly, why does Iraq need to be free and Democratic more than any other country? Oh yeah, they have oil that we need!! And why is it that American men and women are fighting for Iraqi freedom while a great many of our freedoms here in the US are being trampled on a la the US Patriot act 1 & 2?? Look the current government doesn’t give a flying shit about you, me or anyone else.
They care about profits and power and they will do whatever it takes to get them, whether it be destroying the WTC, stirring up the bees nest between Israel & Lebanon, Bombing Iran/Syria or sending thousands of 18-40 year olds to their death. As long as the oil flows and bank accounts grow for the “rich white men” that is all that matters. So please don’t delude yourself or any other youngsters into believing you or they are doing something noble. Your basiclly leading lambs to a slaughter. And to the soldiers we have currently fighting over in the Middle East, God bless you all and come home safe and soon. Lord knows you don’t need to be there to further some assholes (Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Rove) agenda.
Tommy, so let’s assume that Bush & Co got nothing out of the deal. I know that this is a stretch as even I don’t believe it but just play along. If that were the case and we were genuinely going over there to kick Saddam’s ass out would you be on board for this fight? Would you classify it as noble and worthwhile then?
It just seems that too many people are overly concerned with what some “rich white men” get out of the deal while disregarding what a poor Iraqi gets out of it. As I said when I volunteered to go, I really could give a shit about George Bush and Haliburton ect. I am going to free Iraqis and to give them a safer place to live. I did that. Does the president profit? Probably, but I don’t care.
Imagine if you will that I want to take some orphan to go see a football game. Most people are missing the point that a kid got to see a game, but instead accuse my truck’s oil consumption of lining some “rich white man’s” pockets.
Frankly, what I’ve gotten out of this thread is that the majority of guys commenting here bring no honor to themselves with what they’ve said. I really think that if Headhunter wanted to go he could find a way. I saw some guys in their 50’s over there and the guard will take almost anyone with a pulse. Insofar as asthma, one of my Marines got a waiver for it. At the same time I think those guys coming down on him should find something better to do with themselves. I am not knocking vulgarity, hell I was a Marine, and I still can barely be decent in civil society, but I think talking trash online is a coward’s game. Well, unless it’s really creative then it’s kinda fun, but you guys aren’t coming up with anything original.
Mike[/quote]
Mike,
First let me say you get my respect for being a Marine and fighting over there. That takes some big brass balls.
Now if we were fighting over in Iraq purely for humanitarian reasons, then that would be fine, just and noble. But you and I both know that is not the case. Hell if we want to do humanitarian work look no further than what’s going on in Africa. We aren’t doing squat about any of the killing going on there.
How about here in the states. All the Katrina victims. That whole area, a year later is still demolished and the government isn’t doing shit about it. But I guarantee you if there was oil to be had in either place you’d see troops there almighty.
I have a problem with the whole context for this war. If we went there to free Iraq that would be one thing, but we went to take control of that region for it’s resources because the people in control in our government have their money and their cronies money tied up in the oil industry. That fact that we can actually help the good people that are there is a bonus, but even doing that is only to benefit the “Oilmen”.
If we put a government in place that we control, and help the Iraqi people to lead free lives, the US will be able to take as much oil as they need unimpeded.
You said it doesn’t bother you that the president or Halliburton profit during this war. From your perspective if you were able to do some good there and help out the Iraqi people then you are ok with what is going on.
From your perspective you did a noble thing and that is great. However, ask the parents of the soldiers that died if they feel the same way. I’m sure they feel their child did some good over there, but I bet they feel they were there for the wrong reason.
Ask the multitude of soldiers coming home sick from depleted uranium poisoning if they think this war is noble. Once they get wind of the real goings on over there I bet they are not too happy.
I know that are troops are doing some good work over in Iraq, and lord knows they deserve all the respect in the world, but as long as Bush/Cheney, the oil industry, Halliburton and the Defense companies keep profitting on the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi citizens, this war is far from being noble.
I know none of you are actually serious about what your saying, but as far as I know you have to have previous military experience to get a job with BlackHawk.
[quote]tommyboy wrote:
Hell if we want to do humanitarian work look no further than what’s going on in Africa. We aren’t doing squat about any of the killing going on there.
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Not doing squat is inaccurate, but we certainly aren’t doing enough. Some guys from my unit found themselves in the horn doing some humanitarian work.[/quote]
How about here in the states. All the Katrina victims. That whole area, a year later is still demolished and the government isn’t doing shit about it. But I guarantee you if there was oil to be had in either place you’d see troops there almighty.
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Isn’t there oil in the gulf? I agree that there is a lot more that would have been done if our “leaders’” had something tied up in the area. Call me a monster but I really don’t care too much about Katrina victims. Illegal immigrants are jumping through hoops and risking their asses out in the desert to make a life in America while all you have to do in NO is grab your family and hop a greyhound the hell out of there.[quote]
I have a problem with the whole context for this war. If we went there to free Iraq that would be one thing, but we went to take control of that region for it’s resources because the people in control in our government have their money and their cronies money tied up in the oil industry. That fact that we can actually help the good people that are there is a bonus, but even doing that is only to benefit the “Oilmen”.
If we put a government in place that we control, and help the Iraqi people to lead free lives, the US will be able to take as much oil as they need unimpeded. [/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly. I guess I consider this something of a trade. I don’t like Bush & Co but I figured that we both got something out of the deal. He gets a stable country from which to get oil and I get to liberate a country and not have to go it alone. I am not quite ballsy enough to try to take down Saddam by myself. We both used each other. Were we lied into Iraq? I wasn’t, and I’m not cynical enough to think that oil was the only reason, but it sure was up there and I wish we had a president who could man up and say it.
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From your perspective you did a noble thing and that is great. However, ask the parents of the soldiers that died if they feel the same way. I’m sure they feel their child did some good over there, but I bet they feel they were there for the wrong reason. [/quote]
I think you may be suprised. One of my best friends from the fleet joined some crappy reserve unit to go back just like I did. I told him not to go because he wouldn’t see any action this late in the war but you can never talk a Marine out of being stupid and he got himself blown up. He was one of my best friends. I went to his funeral and I knew his parents. He had his issues with how the war was fought but he too believed in what he was doing and so do his parents.
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I know that are troops are doing some good work over in Iraq, and lord knows they deserve all the respect in the world, but as long as Bush/Cheney, the oil industry, Halliburton and the Defense companies keep profitting on the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi citizens, this war is far from being noble.[/quote]
So long as people are imperfect in their motives, No war will be noble, only a few of the players. Good post though, It is sometimes funny how people can be so alike yet not agree on an issue of such magnitude.
Mike
I’ll ignore the fact that your entire post is bullshit and simply address one of your claims:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
you’ll get some top-notch training and get to defend civilisation.[/quote]
My question is: Who’s attacking “civilization” for it to be necessary to “defend” it? Be specific, now.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
It just seems that too many people are overly concerned with what some “rich white men” get out of the deal while disregarding what a poor Iraqi gets out of it. As I said when I volunteered to go, I really could give a shit about George Bush and Haliburton ect. I am going to free Iraqis and to give them a safer place to live. I did that. Does the president profit? Probably, but I don’t care.[/quote]
This is an infantile mentality that has no place in the realm of politics, save as a propaganda tool. Wars are never waged for humanitarian purposes. Iraq hasn’t been “liberated”, it’s simply been divided into various factions. Civil war will result, and plenty of people will die. At least as many as would have under Saddam.
Interesting story today:
Grandma, 41, among Army’s older recruits
[quote]FORT JACKSON, S.C. - Margie Black had wanted to enter the military as a teenager, but having her first child at 19 put off her ambitions. So when she learned the Army raised its enlistment age, Black, now a 41-year-old grandmother from West Columbia, Texas, didn’t hesitate to join. The decision took “about 30 seconds,” she said.
The Army also said that HeadHunter was still sitting in his mother’s basement, complaining of “vaginal discomfort”.
“There’s nothing I can do”, said HH. “When your pussy hurts you can’t do anything but sit on your oversized ass and encourage others to die in your place. Sure, I wish I could go fight but that’s the way it is.”
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_us/old_soldiers_3
[quote]tme wrote:
…said HH. "When your pussy hurts…[/quote]
So he’s pretty much aching from head to toe, then.
It scares me HeadHunter, with the kind of language you use and the immature, baseless attacks you make, that you are actually in a position where you have the potential to influence and shape the lives of young people.
I’ve sat back and read many of your contributions to this board, and a lot of your posts, some of your replies in this thread in particular, sound like they’re coming from a 15-year-old.
And don’t worry about attacking me or trying to bait me into an argument. I will not reply. This is simply an observation on my part.
That is all.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
It just seems that too many people are overly concerned with what some “rich white men” get out of the deal while disregarding what a poor Iraqi gets out of it. As I said when I volunteered to go, I really could give a shit about George Bush and Haliburton ect. I am going to free Iraqis and to give them a safer place to live. I did that. Does the president profit? Probably, but I don’t care.
This is an infantile mentality that has no place in the realm of politics, save as a propaganda tool. Wars are never waged for humanitarian purposes. Iraq hasn’t been “liberated”, it’s simply been divided into various factions. Civil war will result, and plenty of people will die. At least as many as would have under Saddam.[/quote]
Alright. I am just curious then, perhaps you can inform me as to how many people died under Saddam. And perhaps you can peer into your crystal ball and tell me how many will die in this civil war. Look, sometimes civil wars need to be fought. Even if we went in, killed Saddam and got out to leave the place in chaos it still would have been worthwhile. The problem with civil wars is that they often become genocidal. If we could actually allow the war to go on while protecting civilians, that would be ideal, unfortunately that is damn hard, but it sure seems like we aren’t doing too bad at that though I wish we could be doing better.
Mike
I haven’t responded in this thread in a long while, for the simple reason that certain (cretinous) responders were simply looking for any reason to bash me. The point of the thread was to encourage those of you who’re young and more capable to become pro-active. (I am too old to participate and to join up.) Imagine someday how you’ll feel when you didn’t take a stand. For health reasons, the Navy rejected me (asthma) and I feel bad. If you’re young AND HEALTHY, imagine how YOU"LL feel. So, if you’re young and healthy, get behind you’re country.
Of course, if you believe all the stupid and vile crap put out by power-mad individuals, that the war is wrong and Bush is a terrorist (hint: they’re doing that for POWER. Never dawns on them that if we’re all dead, they’d have no one to boss), then don’t join. Smoke your joints, play the male slut, have your meaningless jobs and meaningless lives. America will go on without you and you’ll be like a pile of shit by the side of the road —passed and long forgotten.
No one will ever know you were here.
Headhunter
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I haven’t responded in this thread in a long while, for the simple reason that certain (cretinous) responders were simply looking for any reason to bash me. The point of the thread was to encourage those of you who’re young and more capable to become pro-active. (I am too old to participate and to join up.) Imagine someday how you’ll feel when you didn’t take a stand. For health reasons, the Navy rejected me (asthma) and I feel bad. If you’re young AND HEALTHY, imagine how YOU"LL feel. So, if you’re young and healthy, get behind you’re country.
Of course, if you believe all the stupid and vile crap put out by power-mad individuals, that the war is wrong and Bush is a terrorist (hint: they’re doing that for POWER. Never dawns on them that if we’re all dead, they’d have no one to boss), then don’t join. Smoke your joints, play the male slut, have your meaningless jobs and meaningless lives. America will go on without you and you’ll be like a pile of shit by the side of the road —passed and long forgotten.
No one will ever know you were here.
Headhunter[/quote]
As opposed to your life of wonder? The one where espouse Ayn Rand babblings on a lifting site, and it gets to the point that half the people you come in contact with can’t believe they let you teach children?
Personally I don’t dislike you. However, you’re a loon and your ideas are not things that should be purveyed. I also don’t like that someone like you could one day be teaching my own kids such morals as “Fuck Katrina victims, I still don’t want to pay taxes”.