Yet Another Gyno Thread

Pharma / TRT
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I sure as hell never wanted to post this, but I’d better. Starting the 9th week of my cycle of Test-e 250mg E3D. Also taking 25mg of Proviron ED. Throughout my cycle I have dealt with either hard or very occasionally itchy nipples, sometimes slightly painful, but I live in Japan and my house is Japanese style, meaning no insulation so it gets really damn cold a lot of the time and I think a lot of the pain just comes from hard cold nipples.

Granted each time I would feel anything weird I would worry about it, especially as it is my first cycle. Throughout the last two months I have inspected and inspected and have never noticed anything particularly weird there. Until yesterday. Now, under my left nipple, is what seems to be a thin, slightly hard, horizontal sort of filament of tissue toward the distal portion of the nipple. No pain or itchiness preceded this, interestingly enough. It was just there one day. It’s quite small but definitely “there,” as there is no similar tissue under my right nipple.

I’m wondering what I should do. I have nolva right now, should I begin taking it? 40mgs a day? Has this happened to anybody else?

Also, if I take the nolva now, I don’t have to stop taking my test-e, do I?

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[quote]brianfromhawaii wrote:
nolva goes with test dude![/quote]

I was looking for a little bit more substantial advice than that, dude.

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Have you been taking a’dex throughout? If so, what dosages? And if not, I think you’re overdue to start that regimen.

Forgive me, I can’t remember off the top of my head, although I’ve followed “The Dark Side” from the start.

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[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
Have you been taking a’dex throughout? If so, what dosages? And if not, I think you’re overdue to start that regimen.

Forgive me, I can’t remember off the top of my head, although I’ve followed “The Dark Side” from the start.[/quote]

Nope. Thought proviron would be enough, but if this is what I think it is, then you’re probably right.

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I haven’t used it (proviron), and wasn’t sure what it was used for, so I had to look it up. I didn’t see much where it prevented gyno. It looked to me more like a measure to treat hypogonadism. Is it more similar to nolva? Increase in leydig cell production?

Do you have arimidex? I can recommend a couple of sources if not.

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[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
I haven’t used it (proviron), and wasn’t sure what it was used for, so I had to look it up. I didn’t see much where it prevented gyno. It looked to me more like a measure to treat hypogonadism. Is it more similar to nolva? Increase in leydig cell production?

Do you have arimidex? I can recommend a couple of sources if not.[/quote]

Just ordered some, thanks a lot fiveoh. I’ve read in multiple sources that proviron should be enough to prevent gyno, but I was running a pretty low dose, too, and I also heard after I had already started my cycle from various people that it was not reliable for that purpose. Anyway I’ve learned my lesson and will be using arimidex from now on. At the time I made my purchases, I was not aware that there were cheaper sources, and it was pretty prohibitively expensive.

Again, I would love to hear from someone who could analyze my initial post. I’m not feeling any soreness or itchiness of my nipples, just that little string of tissue there, really tiny still. Anyone has a similar experience?

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I have the same issue but not from AAS. They get itchy as hell hard and sore. Try not to stimulate them by freq exams. Get nolva really quickly.

I decided to give it 3 weeks and if the itchiness continued I would get some nolva and start on a low dose. Like 10mgs and work up. Cause I have some tissue but you can’t tell. If I flex it looks like a tiny bit of fat. The problem is…i know better.

This was recommended to me. When it first happened
Nolva
30mgs for 2
20mgs for 2
10mgs for 3

If I was in your place and the growth was not that serious. I would finish your cycle. Your in your 9th. I think your going to 10 right? I can’t remember. Anyways I would continue this week Then in the middle of your first week off start your nolva. And order a bit more just to be cautious.

my 2 cents

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[quote]dirtbag wrote:
I have the same issue but not from AAS. They get itchy as hell hard and sore. Try not to stimulate them by freq exams. Get nolva really quickly.

I decided to give it 3 weeks and if the itchiness continued I would get some nolva and start on a low dose. Like 10mgs and work up. Cause I have some tissue but you can’t tell. If I flex it looks like a tiny bit of fat. The problem is…i know better.

This was recommended to me. When it first happened
Nolva
30mgs for 2
20mgs for 2
10mgs for 3

If I was in your place and the growth was not that serious. I would finish your cycle. Your in your 9th. I think your going to 10 right? I can’t remember. Anyways I would continue this week Then in the middle of your first week off start your nolva. And order a bit more just to be cautious.

my 2 cents
[/quote]

Do you think he would be better to stick with his plan to taper or go a more traditional pct route?

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[quote]dirtbag wrote:
I have the same issue but not from AAS. They get itchy as hell hard and sore. Try not to stimulate them by freq exams. Get nolva really quickly.

I decided to give it 3 weeks and if the itchiness continued I would get some nolva and start on a low dose. Like 10mgs and work up. Cause I have some tissue but you can’t tell. If I flex it looks like a tiny bit of fat. The problem is…i know better.

This was recommended to me. When it first happened
Nolva
30mgs for 2
20mgs for 2
10mgs for 3

If I was in your place and the growth was not that serious. I would finish your cycle. Your in your 9th. I think your going to 10 right? I can’t remember. Anyways I would continue this week Then in the middle of your first week off start your nolva. And order a bit more just to be cautious.

my 2 cents
[/quote]

Do you think he would be better to stick with his plan to taper or go a more traditional pct route?

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Too bad I didn’t read your thread closer. I strongly argue against anyone using proviron as a form of AI. Low dose Adex is far superior to proviron in that aspect. Proviron is best used for its SHBG effects.
As suggested above nolv is now the answer.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
I have the same issue but not from AAS. They get itchy as hell hard and sore. Try not to stimulate them by freq exams. Get nolva really quickly.

I decided to give it 3 weeks and if the itchiness continued I would get some nolva and start on a low dose. Like 10mgs and work up. Cause I have some tissue but you can’t tell. If I flex it looks like a tiny bit of fat. The problem is…i know better.

This was recommended to me. When it first happened
Nolva
30mgs for 2
20mgs for 2
10mgs for 3

If I was in your place and the growth was not that serious. I would finish your cycle. Your in your 9th. I think your going to 10 right? I can’t remember. Anyways I would continue this week Then in the middle of your first week off start your nolva. And order a bit more just to be cautious.

my 2 cents

Do you think he would be better to stick with his plan to taper or go a more traditional pct route?

[/quote]

If it was me I would do the taper to let the body adjust like to the steady drop in Test like P22 says. And take the nolva at a lower dose to fight back the gyno. But I could be wrong. Maybe a vet might want to step in here and give a lesson here.

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I don’t have any constructive help to add but just to say sorry and try to get the AI ASAP.

I have read everywhere that in extreme cases letro could be used if taken early when the symptoms arise. However I don’t have first hand experience with it. Maybe others can chime in and say.

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Are there contra-indications with taking both nolva and a’dex at the same time?

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
Too bad I didn’t read your thread closer. I strongly argue against anyone using proviron as a form of AI. Low dose Adex is far superior to proviron in that aspect. Proviron is best used for its SHBG effects.
As suggested above nolv is now the answer.[/quote]

Thanks 2thepain, have already started.

I ignored those warnings and probably would have ignored you, had you told me, because I am a stubborn ass. I’ve learned better, now.

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[quote]fiveoh01 wrote:
Are there contra-indications with taking both nolva and a’dex at the same time?[/quote]

I was just wondering the same thing myself.

??

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[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
I don’t have any constructive help to add but just to say sorry and try to get the AI ASAP.

I have read everywhere that in extreme cases letro could be used if taken early when the symptoms arise. However I don’t have first hand experience with it. Maybe others can chime in and say.

[/quote]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. AI on the way and letro has always been my last resort if something really bad ever happened.

Anyway I’m honestly not too worried about this. It is a really small string of fibrous tissue, and I’m currently hitting it with nolva. I think I’ll be alright.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:

              Wow, it's going to be ok Cortes, take a deep breath my man. Shit, you know what happened to me remember? Only three injections and by the fourth I had it too. 2the is totally right bro, I would never rely on proviron with test for gyno protection. The adex is cheap and you've got it on the way now, so you should be ok.

   Even before I got the hard tissue under each when mine went bonkers, I had this exact same glandular or horizontal tissue under one nip, just like what you describe. I went to a doctor for that and was told it WAS NOT gyno. Now of course later on I DID get it from the tpp/mast cycle, and it was all together different. It was pea sized HARD lumps directly behind the nips, and definitely painful and very noticeable to the touch. Outward it wasn't noticeable except some nip hardness. 

      So, the horozontal tissue might not be it, but you do seem to have the symptoms that indicate it's gyno besides that. The hard nips, itchiness, which I never got, etc.. I would suggest starting the nolva immediately at 60-80 the first day, bam..right away, then roll with 40mg a day divided twice, until the symptoms of pain, hardness die down, about a week give or take a couple days, then roll with 30mg/day for several days to a week, and then 20, then 10, then start up on the adex. 

         I know the nolva suggestion is solid, it worked great for me, but the adex I'm not sure, I would think you start it after the nolva taper, I'll email Schwar and Bushy and see if they can toss in their knowledge to help out too. Hate to see you have to go through this cause I know too well the mental ups n downs that go along with this issue. It's not fun.

        Hang in there Cortes, help is on the way, meanwhile I think my advice is good to get you going. Drop the big dose on the first day though, then hit up the protocol I suggested.

                   ToneBone[/quote]

Thanks Tone. Yeah, I actually went back and read your thread and noticed that you described almost the exact same thing.

I currently do not have any (spherical?) hard lumps directly behind the nipples, so I’m pretty happy about that. As I’ve said before, this thing is tiny, to the degree that even if I were at a really low bodyfat it wouldn’t be noticeable. So I’m not too worried. Have already started attacking it, too.

I’d like to hear Schwarz and Bushy’s take on this as well. However I also want to say again that I really appreciate the advice I have already received. Thanks a ton to all who have posted with helpful information.

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proviron is not a substitute for a true AI like a-dex, letro or a-sin. the effectiveness of proviron (all applications) is drastically over rated IMHO.

i would finish your cycle and incorporate a nolva protocol immediately. I don’t know if an AI would be necessary at the moment, but have one on hand.

80 mg day one and 40 mg ED until symptoms are gone/under control. you can then taper the nolva out.

not much else to add. if you had full blown gyno symptoms it would be simple to advise a letro protocol (the vastly superior choice for combating gyno)…but it doesn’t seem warranted here.

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[quote]juice20jd wrote:
proviron is not a substitute for a true AI like a-dex, letro or a-sin. the effectiveness of proviron (all applications) is drastically over rated IMHO.

i would finish your cycle and incorporate a nolva protocol immediately. I don’t know if an AI would be necessary at the moment, but have one on hand.

80 mg day one and 40 mg ED until symptoms are gone/under control. you can then taper the nolva out.

not much else to add. if you had full blown gyno symptoms it would be simple to advise a letro protocol (the vastly superior choice for combating gyno)…but it doesn’t seem warranted here.[/quote]

Thanks juice.

Not questioning the validity, just curious why both you and Tone suggest a big pop (60-80mgs) the first day. I started last night with 40. Would you suggest a larger dose today or just keep it at 40?

Also, am I to expect this length of tissue to disappear, or am I to see a dropping off in any hardness, soreness or swelling in my nipples only?

Sorry for all the stupid questions, but I obviously want to take care of this.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
2thepain wrote:
Too bad I didn’t read your thread closer. I strongly argue against anyone using proviron as a form of AI. Low dose Adex is far superior to proviron in that aspect. Proviron is best used for its SHBG effects.
As suggested above nolv is now the answer.

Thanks 2thepain, have already started.

I ignored those warnings and probably would have ignored you, had you told me, because I am a stubborn ass. I’ve learned better, now.[/quote]

I forgot to ask, but how long do you have left in your cycle and what are your plans for the duration? I.E. adjusted dosages or duration of use?