Years in a Gym - No Results at All

Training
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What a terrible trainer. Brilliant, from a business standpoint though. He’s been milking this guy for years. [edit: months, not years. Thought he had been with this guy since 2003 as well.]

I wouldn’t even pull the trigger on bloodwork until I got rid of that trainer and got on an actual program and started eating actual food.

At your weights, pick any beginner format like SS and run that while eating REAL food. If you do that for 3 months and still have nothing to show for it, THEN consider bloodwork.

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[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:

[quote]b-boy wrote:
My diet. Just an example:

9:00 breakfast cereals w/ 30g of egg protein powder
12:00 (post workout) 40g of egg protein powder + 40g fast carbohydrates
14:00 chicken and rice
17:15 160g of tuna in olive oil (in brine on non-training days), middle sized whole wheat baguette with beans
20:30 small sandwich from Subway or homemade sandwich w/ ham
23:30 30g of egg protein powder[/quote]

Simple step by step Instructions:
1.Fire trainer
2.Get bloodwork as others have suggested
3.Do Starting Strength program or Stronglifts 5x5 and add weight to the bar every time you go to the gym.
4.Fix that diet. Eat whole food sources of protein and fat:beef,nuts,eggs,more chicken,more fish. Eat more in general, your diet looks like something Jillian Michaels would recommend to a first week contestant on the Biggest Loser.
[/quote]

I’d add Defranco’s WS4SB to the mix of possible programs. It’s the first real program I did and think it’s great for beginners.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:

[quote]b-boy wrote:
My diet. Just an example:

9:00 breakfast cereals w/ 30g of egg protein powder
12:00 (post workout) 40g of egg protein powder + 40g fast carbohydrates
14:00 chicken and rice
17:15 160g of tuna in olive oil (in brine on non-training days), middle sized whole wheat baguette with beans
20:30 small sandwich from Subway or homemade sandwich w/ ham
23:30 30g of egg protein powder[/quote]

Simple step by step Instructions:
1.Fire trainer
2.Get bloodwork as others have suggested
3.Do Starting Strength program or Stronglifts 5x5 and add weight to the bar every time you go to the gym.
4.Fix that diet. Eat whole food sources of protein and fat:beef,nuts,eggs,more chicken,more fish. Eat more in general, your diet looks like something Jillian Michaels would recommend to a first week contestant on the Biggest Loser.
[/quote]

I’d add Defranco’s WS4SB to the mix of possible programs. It’s the first real program I did and think it’s great for beginners. [/quote]

That’s a great program as well, but if anybody who is fairly new/clueless asks me I just tell them to do SS or Stronglifts because of the simplicity and focus on really only learning the big Barbell lifts to start. If you get into DE and ME days with someone who has no idea what they are getting into, they will usually give up/continue to do 45lb OH presses while paying a trainer who tells them not to add weight because their form might get off a little for 8mths…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:

[quote]b-boy wrote:
My diet. Just an example:

9:00 breakfast cereals w/ 30g of egg protein powder
12:00 (post workout) 40g of egg protein powder + 40g fast carbohydrates
14:00 chicken and rice
17:15 160g of tuna in olive oil (in brine on non-training days), middle sized whole wheat baguette with beans
20:30 small sandwich from Subway or homemade sandwich w/ ham
23:30 30g of egg protein powder[/quote]

Simple step by step Instructions:
1.Fire trainer
2.Get bloodwork as others have suggested
3.Do Starting Strength program or Stronglifts 5x5 and add weight to the bar every time you go to the gym.
4.Fix that diet. Eat whole food sources of protein and fat:beef,nuts,eggs,more chicken,more fish. Eat more in general, your diet looks like something Jillian Michaels would recommend to a first week contestant on the Biggest Loser.
[/quote]

I’d add Defranco’s WS4SB to the mix of possible programs. It’s the first real program I did and think it’s great for beginners. [/quote]

That’s a great program as well, but if anybody who is fairly new/clueless asks me I just tell them to do SS or Stronglifts because of the simplicity and focus on really only learning the big Barbell lifts to start. If you get into DE and ME days with someone who has no idea what they are getting into, they will usually give up/continue to do 45lb OH presses while paying a trainer who tells them not to add weight because their form might get off a little for 8mths…

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Eat more, train less.

Less powder, more eggs, beef, milk, nuts, etc. I eyeballed your calories and there is no way you’re close to an intake that would provide growth, especially with your training…

which brings me to your training. I counted 32 sets, that is nuts. You’re not moving a lot of weight, and you’re doing a lot of sets. As others have suggested try 5x5 or anything with heavy compounds a maybe a little isolation work, what you’re doing right now is way too much with how little you eat. Cardio probably isn’t helping at this point.

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Thanx for your replies everyone.

I followed some programs I found here or somewhere (I don’t remember already), but none worked for hypertrophy.

Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST) - It doesn’t give me results

Escalating Density Training (EDT) - Short,high density trainings, 15 min zone - 110 lbs bench, pullups, followed by non-EDT squatting 5x5 (145 - 173 lbs). Whole session up to 40 minutes. 3 x /week, same training.

Yes, I was able to improve my EDT reps every single training, but I doesn’t grow. I tried it few times and each one ended in disease.

50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.

Then I tried EDT and squatting again and hurt my back while squating.

After half year of rehab I decided to hire a coach to teach me how to squat properly and fix my training program.

Now my training technique is better and also I don’t have joint pain I used to have. And probably my coach’s attitude to adding weights is influenced by my tendency to be sick.

But there are some things I think are incorrect, such as long, 2 hours training sessions. And, not-growing again.
That’s why I asked you for advice.

So my plan is: visit my doctor. Improve my diet. Find some proven program here and try to follow it to a letter, while supervised by my coach.
I will check programs you suggested. And I already checked “Mass Made Simple” by Dan John. What do you think about it?

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With all those programs, how long did you stay on each one?

Program hopping is a good way to get nowhere.

Your plan sounds good, but I’d agree with the others and ditch your coach. Eight months in and lifts like that is not a sign of a good coach. Seriously, you’re doing shrugs when all your upper body lifts are that low?

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How does a training program end in disease?

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[quote]b-boy wrote:
Thanx for your replies everyone.

I followed some programs I found here or somewhere (I don’t remember already), but none worked for hypertrophy.

Hypertrophy-Specific Training (HST) - It doesn’t give me results

Escalating Density Training (EDT) - Short,high density trainings, 15 min zone - 110 lbs bench, pullups, followed by non-EDT squatting 5x5 (145 - 173 lbs). Whole session up to 40 minutes. 3 x /week, same training.

Yes, I was able to improve my EDT reps every single training, but I doesn’t grow. I tried it few times and each one ended in disease.

50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.

Then I tried EDT and squatting again and hurt my back while squating.

After half year of rehab I decided to hire a coach to teach me how to squat properly and fix my training program.

Now my training technique is better and also I don’t have joint pain I used to have. And probably my coach’s attitude to adding weights is influenced by my tendency to be sick.

But there are some things I think are incorrect, such as long, 2 hours training sessions. And, not-growing again.
That’s why I asked you for advice.

So my plan is: visit my doctor. Improve my diet. Find some proven program here and try to follow it to a letter, while supervised by my coach.
I will check programs you suggested. And I already checked “Mass Made Simple” by Dan John. What do you think about it?
[/quote]

You should really get a different coach, or ditch the coach and just follow one of the programs on this site. If you’ve been training as long as you say you have, those numbers should absolutely be higher.

It’s also hard to believe that you’ve tried all of the programs you listed above and haven’t achieved ANY results, that would seem almost physically impossible. How long did you try these programs for? How long did you dedicate to each program, followed to the letter, before moving on to something else?

“50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.”
This sentence makes me think you will never achieve the “results” you desire. If you really think that trying chin ups and push ups “ended in disease” or caused you illness, then you are just making excuses. Everyone on here has basically give you the same info, you seem very tentative to listen. You also say you’re going to “find a program on here, TRY to follow it to the letter, while under the supervision of your coach.” This sounds like a recipe for disaster given your history of “trying” to follow programs, and working with your “coach” who seemingly cannot get you to grow. Why not just pick a program, follow it, (not “try” to follow it, DO IT) and ditch your coach? If you’ve tried all this under the supervision of your “coach” and are asking us for ideas, is it really working out? A new coach and a new attitude are in order.

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Contaminated gym equipment obviously. Spend too long on them and you fall ill :frowning:

On a serious note, b-boy, are you Indian? Shot in the dark, but I might be wrong since you obviously eat tuna and pork.

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
How does a training program end in disease? [/quote]

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If all of those programs ended in “disease”, it seems plausible that the OP has some sort of immune system compromising issue going on. Scratch my previous suggestions (other than bloodwork) and get everything tested that you can afford, there has to be something going on even if it’s just simple Low T that is keeping you from doing better.

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[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
Contaminated gym equipment obviously. Spend too long on them and you fall ill :frowning:

On a serious note, b-boy, are you Indian? Shot in the dark, but I might be wrong since you obviously eat tuna and pork.

[/quote]

Is he Indian? Not following.

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If this

[quote]b-boy wrote:
50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.[/quote]

ended in disease, then this

[quote]b-boy wrote:
And I already checked “Mass Made Simple” by Dan John. What do you think about it?
[/quote]

will end in death.

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Hasn’t there been a few posters bring up having dealt with this kind of thing, only to be diagnosed with lyme disease?

Not trying to scare op or anything though.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
How does a training program end in disease? [/quote]

I did Doggcrapp training once and I ended up with smallpox.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
How does a training program end in disease? [/quote]

You just woke up one day with a sore throat and flu. :-/

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[quote]b-boy wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
How does a training program end in disease? [/quote]

You just woke up one day with a sore throat and flu. :-/[/quote]

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HST - 2 months
EDT - 3 months
50 chinups, 100 pushups program - just few weeks … 2 weeks, flu, 2 weeks, flu

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[quote]robstein wrote:
“50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.”
This sentence makes me think you will never achieve the “results” you desire. If you really think that trying chin ups and push ups “ended in disease” or caused you illness, then you are just making excuses. Everyone on here has basically give you the same info, you seem very tentative to listen. You also say you’re going to “find a program on here, TRY to follow it to the letter, while under the supervision of your coach.” This sounds like a recipe for disaster given your history of “trying” to follow programs, and working with your “coach” who seemingly cannot get you to grow. Why not just pick a program, follow it, (not “try” to follow it, DO IT) and ditch your coach? If you’ve tried all this under the supervision of your “coach” and are asking us for ideas, is it really working out? A new coach and a new attitude are in order.
[/quote]

Ok, I assume that for you 50 chinups is piece of cake. For me not.
My max was at that time 6 chinups. I did 50 in one session, several days per week. And after recovery from first illness I didn’t take it as excuse to stop, but did it again.
But I realy don’t want to argue about my attidute here. I just wanted to say that I’ll use some proven program and will not let the coach change it. That’s all.

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[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:
If this

[quote]b-boy wrote:
50 chinups, 100 pushups program - Tried 2 times. Each ended in disease.[/quote]

ended in disease, then this

[quote]b-boy wrote:
And I already checked “Mass Made Simple” by Dan John. What do you think about it?
[/quote]

will end in death.
[/quote]

Hmm good point, probably yes. :-/
I’ll check those others.