Juggernaut is a mutant in Marvel’s Ultraverse.
SPOILER
Prof X is definitely not dead. He transferred his mind into the man who had no mental function.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Juggernaut is a mutant in Marvel’s Ultraverse.
SPOILER
Prof X is definitely not dead. He transferred his mind into the man who had no mental function.[/quote]
Do you mean Tim Phoenix?
I do have to wonder if all that was shown on the big screen really occurred or we were lead to believe that they did.
*spoiler
I mean did Rogue really receive the mutant cure that she waited in line for? It never showed her receiving it. When she returned to the school and touched Bobby, everybody knows that she kissed him briefly before with no side effects. It wasn’t until she held on long enough before she began to suck his powers. The brief touching screen didn’t give us enough time to realize whether or not she had been cured. She touched his hand and boom next scene. There was no long embrace to show whether or not she still had her abilities.
And with Cyclops dying, I’m not so sure about that either. It seemed like a guess to his fate. Everybody assumed he died, Jean even had to be told she had killed him. But there were no remains or body to be found. Maybe she forced him into some kind of hibernation like her own in the lake. All they found were his glasses. Even Phoenix never made the mention of killing Cyclops.
And with Prof Xavier, all thats been said already covers that one.
I really wouldnt be surprised if there were some twist of fate and all of the previous characters came back, including Phoenix resurrecting or ProfX in a different body.
Too many question marks for me.
Did I have a good time watching this movie? Yea I did… we just got a new movie theater complex here and it has some of the most comfy seats I have ever laid my well formed butt on.
The movie itself was obviously geared towards more younger and impatient audience… It takes a little bit more than a fancy costume or nice special effects to flesh out a character in my view. There has been almost zero character developement in the previous two X-Men’s. They give you tidbits of their story and what kinda people they are, but that’s where it stops. I’ve felt more emotion while trying not to get my dumbass bots killed at CS than watching some of these screenheroes “buy it”. What a waste of great potential
Action was as lame as ever. No blood (Wolverine’s blades alone should turn this movie into a gore splatter), no crunching of broken bones, the usual music video type cuts… Oh they did manage to turn some property into dust pretty nicely… whatever.
yawn
I suppose it had some redeeming qualities mmmm Famke Janssen.
Edit: Smiley HERE… tupid UI
Maybe Xavier comes back as Onslaught? (it’s been a very long time since I’ve read that storyline!) Without Jean and Cyke, no Bishop (and without Gambit, no reason for Bishop to be such a tool) but he’d be alive at least. They’ve shown that they don’t follow the story lines layed out by Marvel at all, so I don’t see any real conflicts that couldn’t be resolved with some storyline tap dancing.
I also heard rumors of Apocalypse showing up in the future; that could ressurect Cyclops. And Phoenix is notoriously difficult to kill. I just hope the Shi’ar never enter in to this mess. I doubt many people would accept them.
Edit: And Marrow was a girl! I was looking forward to her, and I got a bulky, hairy guy that died in seconds. Very disappointing.
[quote]Crispyknight wrote:
Maybe Xavier comes back as Onslaught? (it’s been a very long time since I’ve read that storyline!)[/quote]
[i]That’s[/i] the name I’ve been looking for!!!
Possible Spoilers (not for the movie, but for those reading the comic books)
When my buddy and I were leaving the theatre, we were discussing all of the possibilities they could go with for Xavier (we didn’t know of the extra scene at the time; stupidly, we left as soon as credits were rolling).
I was racking the hell out of my brain trying to think of the name where they “killed” the professor and put his consciousness in another body. I remember that was huge when they did it. I seem to remember one of the books having in big letters “Professor X DEAD!!!” or something like that on the cover with this picture of a giant transparent Onslaught and X sitting in his chair in the middle of the body…ah, the memories.
That seems like ages ago.
Well I was going to rip on the fact that Cyclops was non-existant in this movie but if it was indeed a scheduling confilct I guess I can see why.
BTW Wiki is filled with a ton of bullshit so take it with a grain of salt.
Onslaught history:
[i]History: Onslaught was a sentient psionic entity created from the consciousness of two mutants: Professor Charles Xavier, telepathic founder of the heroic X-Men, and the charismatic subversive known as Magneto, Master of Magnetism. During a battle between the X-Men and Magneto’s Acolytes, Xavier used his telepathic powers to shut down Magneto’s mind, rendering him catatonic. During the psionic contact, Magneto’s anger, grief and lust for vengeance entered Xavier’s consciousness; commingling with every long-suppressed negative feeling Xavier had endured during the last 30 years. This aggregation resulted in the being known as Onslaught.
Onslaught remained dormant for some time. Gradually, Xavier’s frustration with his dream of mutant-human harmony began to increase, exacerbated by the daily growth of anti-mutant hysteria, the deaths of dozens of mutants from the lethal Legacy Virus, and his own failed attempt to rehabilitate the mutant sociopath called Sabretooth. Xavier reached his breaking point when anti-mutant humans killed a young mutant near the grounds of the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning, the secret base of the X-Men. It was at this point that Onslaught awakened within Xavier and began to manifest himself to others.
Following an encounter with the mystically empowered criminal called the Juggernaut (Xavier’s stepbrother, Cain Marko), Onslaught invaded a government-sanctioned Sentinel base. He downloaded the current specifications for the mutant-hunting androids and erased portions of the memories of the employees working in the clandestine factory. Soon after, while hiding in Xavier’s mind, Onslaught encountered the telepathic, telekinetic X-Man. He pulled the Professor’s body from the astral plane, a feat never before achieved. Through X-Man’s actions, Onslaught was able to escape Xavier’s mind and move independently. After taking full possession of the Professor’s mind and body, Onslaught-as-Xavier called together the X-Men. When they resisted his plan to turn them into soldiers fighting a total war against humans, Onslaught revealed himself to the X-Men and attempted to destroy the outlaw adventurers. The time-tossed mutant soldier called Bishop, remembering childhood stories of a traitor betraying and killing the X-Men, began to realize that the guilty party was Xavier as Onslaught. Bishop rescued his teammates. Taking Xavier’s body with him, Onslaught escaped.
Once free, Onslaught created a childlike psionic projection named Charles to gain the trust of young Franklin Richards, a mutant possessing the latent power to alter reality. Onslaught succeeded in capturing the child despite a rescue attempt by Franklin’s parents, Mister Fantastic and Invisible Woman, members of the legendary super-team known as the Fantastic Four. Now carrying Franklin and Xavier, Onslaught captured X-Man, intending to use his raw psionic power to fuel Onslaught?s plans to transform the human race into a collective consciousness. Onslaught returned to New York, reprogramming the Sentinel robots to obey his commands and form a protective circle around Manhattan, sealing off the island from the rest of the world.
The X-Men, the Fantastic Four and the Avengers, Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, challenged Onslaught. Their first confrontation with the entity and his minions resulted in the rescue of a now-powerless Xavier, who retained his usual benevolent personality. Onslaught now existed as psionic energy contained within his armor. A second and final confrontation occurred at his Central Park citadel. After a number of attempts to free Franklin and X-Man from Onslaught’s seemingly impervious armor, the heroes regrouped. During their next assault, X-Man Jean Grey used her telepathy to turn off the part of the monstrous Hulk’s mind that contained the rationality of his alter ego, Dr. Bruce Banner. The now-savage Hulk, possessed of a nearly animalistic intelligence and unbelievable strength, battled Onslaught and tore apart his armor. The resulting explosion of psionic energy separated Banner and the Hulk, and Onslaught was left as an energy being, immune to most physical harm. Onslaught then used Franklin’s powers to create a second sun that would destroy the heroes and Manhattan.
The Avenger known as Thor, Asgardian God of Thunder, master of storm and lightning, flew into the energy being, disrupting Onslaught’s form. Realizing that Thor’s efforts alone were insufficient to destroy their adversary, the non-mutant members of the Avengers and the Fantastic Four entered the energy field. The X-Men were unable to do likewise, as it was theorized that if Onslaught, a being of mutant origin, came to possess a mutant host, he would become unstoppable. Onslaught dissolved, seemingly destroyed, along with the heroes who had thrown themselves into the rift. The remaining Sentinels were disabled, Franklin and X-Man were rescued, and Manhattan was returned to normal. Later, it was revealed that the Avengers and the Fantastic Four did not die, as had been surmised. Rather, the heroes were reborn in a pocket universe created by Franklin. The Avengers and the Fantastic Four returned to their rightful home months later, possessing only hazy memories of their time on Counter-Earth.
HEIGHT: 6 ft. in Professor X’s body, 10 ft. in his own form; could grow more than two stories tall
WEIGHT: 190 lbs. in Professor X’s body, 900 lbs. in his own form
EYES: Field of red
HAIR: None
SUPERHUMAN POWERS: Onslaught possessed the combined mutant abilities of his progenitors Professor X and Magneto. He could induce illusions, temporary mental or physical paralysis, loss of specific memories, or total amnesia; project mind-numbing mental bolts; and sense the presence of mutants within a small radius. Also, Onslaught was able to shape and manipulate magnetic fields, both natural and artificial. Using his powers to augment his strength, he could lift up to 100 tons. Other abilities included telekinesis and astral projection.[/i]
[quote]Crispyknight wrote:
Edit: And Marrow was a girl! I was looking forward to her, and I got a bulky, hairy guy that died in seconds. Very disappointing.[/quote]
There is more than one character with the ability to use his bones as weapons. In the new generation cartoon (the one that started the entire story over again with Jean and Cyclops and high school students), Spike was the name of Storm’s nephew who is also a mutant. The guy in the movie had powers like Spike and happened to be the same skin tone.
IMDB also lists that character as Spike and not Marrow. What pisses me off is how they did absolutely no character development for most of these guys…but then, I guess that would take quite a few more movies.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Crispyknight wrote:
Edit: And Marrow was a girl! I was looking forward to her, and I got a bulky, hairy guy that died in seconds. Very disappointing.
There is more than one character with the ability to use his bones as weapons. In the new generation cartoon (the one that started the entire story over again with Jean and Cyclops and high school students), Spike was the name of Storm’s nephew who is also a mutant. The guy in the movie had powers like Spike and happened to be the same skin tone. [/quote]
Huh, I never knew about that story line, never watched the cartoon. I also noticed that there was a mutant in the initial rush at Alcatraz that teleported just like Nightcrawler. Still, I was hoping for Marrow. Thanks for the info.
Edit: I just looked at IMDB; the character they list as Spike is the guy with the porcupine quills that come out of his face, and he looks asian. I was referring to the guy in the forest that injures Wolverine with thrown bone daggers as Marrow. Now I’m really confused.
Well, well, well…seems they have an out with the Jean Grey/Phoenix story after all. And the description even closely resembles events in the movie. Could it be…?
From MarvelDirectory.com:
It was later revealed that Grey did not die, nor had she ever become Phoenix. The phoenix-force responded to Grey’s anguish and telepathic calls for help as she was dying aboard the space shuttle, and appeared before her, shaping its form and consciousness after Grey’s own. The phoenix-force told Grey that she was dying, but that by taking the phoenix-force’s hands, Grey would gain her “heart’s desire.” What Grey most wanted was to save the lives of the X-Men and herself. She held onto the phoenix-force’s arm and fell into a coma-like state. Simultaneously, the phoenix-force fully took on both the form and the memories and personality of Jean Grey. The phoenix-force used its powers to ensure the survival of the X-Men in their return to Earth and crash landing in Jamaica Bay off New York City. It was also responsible for casting Grey into a coma-like state and placing her within a pod like construction, which rested for years at the bottom of Jamaica Bay while Grey’s injuries healed completely. Thus the phoenix-force fulfilled its pledge to Grey. The phoenix-force creature compelled itself to believe it was indeed Grey, whose personality it had assumed. Indeed, it had imitated Grey’s consciousness so perfectly that not even Xavier realized the imposture. It has been theorized that it was the phoenix-entity’s own power rebelling against the duplicate of Grey’s personality it had given itself that caused it to become Dark Phoenix. When Phoenix committed suicide, it was acting exactly as Grey herself would have done under the circumstances, since it had endowed itself with an exact copy of Grey’s personality.
Veeeeeeery interesting…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Crispyknight wrote:
Edit: And Marrow was a girl! I was looking forward to her, and I got a bulky, hairy guy that died in seconds. Very disappointing.
There is more than one character with the ability to use his bones as weapons. In the new generation cartoon (the one that started the entire story over again with Jean and Cyclops and high school students), Spike was the name of Storm’s nephew who is also a mutant. The guy in the movie had powers like Spike and happened to be the same skin tone.
IMDB also lists that character as Spike and not Marrow. What pisses me off is how they did absolutely no character development for most of these guys…but then, I guess that would take quite a few more movies.[/quote]
With film-making technology being what it currently is, and the way that quality of television has jumped, I’d have loved to see the X-Men get turned into a series… or even a series of mini-series. It would suit the soap-opera antics of everybody’s favourite mutant outcasts a little more than the power-punch of movies.
Movies work great for smaller casts: Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, etc. Even small teams can squeeze in decent story and character development. But with a group like the X-Men, where there’s just so many flippin’ characters to handle, and so many of them excellent characters with solid depth and appeal, that a broader canvas is required.
[quote]vicktimised wrote:
i still wish they brought gambit into the picture. any chance of a X4 or is last stand really just that?[/quote]
I never heard anything but X3 was in the future so who knows.
[quote]Northcott wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Crispyknight wrote:
Edit: And Marrow was a girl! I was looking forward to her, and I got a bulky, hairy guy that died in seconds. Very disappointing.
There is more than one character with the ability to use his bones as weapons. In the new generation cartoon (the one that started the entire story over again with Jean and Cyclops and high school students), Spike was the name of Storm’s nephew who is also a mutant. The guy in the movie had powers like Spike and happened to be the same skin tone.
IMDB also lists that character as Spike and not Marrow. What pisses me off is how they did absolutely no character development for most of these guys…but then, I guess that would take quite a few more movies.
With film-making technology being what it currently is, and the way that quality of television has jumped, I’d have loved to see the X-Men get turned into a series… or even a series of mini-series. It would suit the soap-opera antics of everybody’s favourite mutant outcasts a little more than the power-punch of movies.
Movies work great for smaller casts: Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, etc. Even small teams can squeeze in decent story and character development. But with a group like the X-Men, where there’s just so many flippin’ characters to handle, and so many of them excellent characters with solid depth and appeal, that a broader canvas is required.
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Actually, that sounds like a fantastic idea. Instead of trying to squeeze everything into one 2-hour movie and trying to please fans all at the same time, they could just do a bunch of solos and maybe incorporate cameo appearances from other actors.
I’m talking movies done with pride, however, with careful attention paid to detail and quality. I don’t want to see just a bunch of movies pumped out to cash in on the comic book-movie craze, a la Elektra and Daredevil. Although, I hear Punisher was actually pretty good. I can’t believe I haven’t seen that yet.
Did anyone see Omega Red in X3? He’s listed in the cast on IMDB but I was unable to tell who he was in the movie.
[quote]CC wrote:
I hear Punisher was actually pretty good. I can’t believe I haven’t seen that yet. [/quote]
I really enjoyed the Punisher.
I think Spawn was the movie that was made the best out of any comic so far.
X3 was really good IMO. I have been a huge X-men fan since I was a little boy and know most characters’ story by heart. I found many flaws with the new film in terms of the characters. However, the x-men saga has developed over the past 40 plus years. It would be impossible to do the original story line any justice. The Phoenix saga alone would take forever to explain the background and incorporate all the space travel, etc.
For the most part, people like to be able to relate to movies (somewhat). If the storyline from the comic would have been followed exactly, it would have seemed VERY farfetched and most people wouldn’t have liked it. The x-men saga has been described quite accurately as a soap. If you want to follow the original storyline, the cartoon from the early 90s was pretty good. I viewed the new movies as a new x-men story and really enjoyed them.
This movie made $125M in three days, $196M in four. If you don’t think there will be an X4, you’re not thinking clearly. X3–The Last Stand was just the title to end the trilogy. Professor X is already back as those who stayed until after the credits already know. The cure is only temporary as we saw from Magneto’s final scene in the movie. Rogue will jump in the sack with Iceman and after that get her powers back. We do not have Scott’s body. Jean’s return has already been explained. And I believe Halle Berry will return since she won’t be able to get any other decent movie roles.
They are in the process of working toward Wolverine and Magneto prequels (separate movies) using digital effects to make Ian McKellen look younger so he can still play the part. Once those are done, we will see X4. Take it to the bank.
[quote]eawhite wrote:
Did anyone see Omega Red in X3? He’s listed in the cast on IMDB but I was unable to tell who he was in the movie. [/quote]
If you watch it again, look for a guy you can almost see through with red transluscent skin standing behind the other morlocks around Callisto inside the church. He was one of the first hit with “the cure”.
Was that nerdy enough for you? Because if not, I bought a new pocket protector while I was out today and some big ass dark rimmed glasses with tape in the middle.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
eawhite wrote:
Did anyone see Omega Red in X3? He’s listed in the cast on IMDB but I was unable to tell who he was in the movie.
If you watch it again, look for a guy you can almost see through with red transluscent skin standing behind the other morlocks around Callisto inside the church. He was one of the first hit with “the cure”.
Was that nerdy enough for you? Because if not, I bought a new pocket protector while I was out today and some big ass dark rimmed glasses with tape in the middle.[/quote]
Wow, that IS nerdy. I’m a do-it-yourselfer and must wrap my own tape on the nosepiece of my glasses. It makes color-coordinating with my clothes a snap!
A question; why would Magneto consider Omega Red a “pawn” and have him in the first rush? From what I remember, Omega was pretty rough on Wolverine a few times.
[quote]Crispyknight wrote:
A question; why would Magneto consider Omega Red a “pawn” and have him in the first rush? From what I remember, Omega was pretty rough on Wolverine a few times.
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Hell, why would he leave someone who looks like Mystique lying naked on the floor and not take her with him and at least use her as a human sex slave?