[quote]BrwnbellyYankee wrote:
4. why did juggs fall when he went near the kid that zapped mutant powers,… juggs isnt a mutant.
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I always thought J was a mutant. It’s not just his suit. I remember the story arc in X-Men (New Generation?) where J was on the rampage. They refered to him as “one of the most powerful mutants” — something like that. I’ll have to dig it up.
I don’t get pissy because a movie isn’t exactly like the comics, but I do find myself disappointed when I see substandard work or slipshod ideas making it into these productions.
I hate what they did with Superman’s costume in the upcoming movie. It blows goats that the actor worked his ass off to put on a few pounds of muscle to try and look the part a bit more, and the costume designer went ahead and produced a variation that minimizes what gains he made. It’s designed to make the character look smaller – what the Hell is up with that? He now looks more butch as Clark Kent.
Back on topic: Cyke dying early? That sucks. Here’s a character with a lot of potential appeal, and for two movies he was completely wasted as a prop to make Wolverine look cooler. What do they do in the third? Give him a couple lines and gack him.
Marsden’s a pretty good actor. It would have been great to see him get some lines in this movie – see him try and carry the role through its full range. Poker-faced, always in control Cyclops, Mr. Military Precision himself, depending on strength of the heart. The character growth and development could have been fantastic.
It’s just wated potential, and I hate to see that. Sure, some of the newly introduced fan favourites (like my personal favourite, Colossus) may get the short straw when it comes to screen time… but how they’re getting rooked is nothing compared to how Cyclops was hosed through all three movies.
[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
I always thought J was a mutant. It’s not just his suit. I remember the story arc in X-Men (New Generation?) where J was on the rampage. They refered to him as “one of the most powerful mutants” — something like that. I’ll have to dig it up. [/quote]
Nah. He was jealous of his step-brother, Charles Xavier, and the power that Charles wielded. Cain Marko was a cruel, brutal man, and when he found the Ruby of Cyttorak, he was made unstoppable. Or nearly so – his mind was still vulnerable. So Black Tom, his initial employer, had a helmet constructed for him that made it difficult to mess with Marko’s mind.
Mind you, Marvel has been so absolutely slipshod in keeping a consistent story for the past twenty years that the origins of most characters have changed multiple times in that span. So yes, Juggernaut may well be a mutant now. He wasn’t originally. Wolverine’s origins have changed at least half a dozen times, Magneto’s at least once.
It’s just a big, bloody mess. In the end, it’s pretty much a pick and choose. Go with the one that you like best. 
(Though I’d love to see a comprehensive re-telling set out in quality graphic novel form, creating a good, solid story.)
[quote]jimmyjames66 wrote:
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THIS WAS BETTER THAN X2? SERIOUSLY HOW? The storyline was pathetic. You all must get fascinated by simple things if you thought this heaping pile of dogshit was fantastic. Really what was it? The fight scenes? The special effects? I would like to know what did it for you.
Well, on second thought, I assume those who are raving about the movie did not follow the comic books, because comic book fans would realize what a dissapointment this has become after X2. I mean come on, are all of you the same thick meatheads who thought Jean Claude Van DAmme movies along Steven Segal movies were any good? [/quote]
Great post. Can you do anything besides bitch?
Just thought this news might interest those who think Marvel comics is going all out on the movie-making: they just announced a Ghost Rider movie, starring none other than Nicholas Cage.
So, when’s the next Spiderman out?
Did anyone else notice the costume Juggs wore in the film was very similar to the outfit Erik the Red had on in that classic cartoon flick “'cause I’m da Juggernaut, bitch?” I still think the character would have been more approprately done with Kevin Nash or Nathan Jones or Big Show.
I also didn’t think it was proper to make Magneto such a cold-hearted dick when he just dropped Mystique like a hot rock. Didn’t seem fitting with character. They should have at least had the other guys show some kind of reluctance to follow him after that.
I wonder if they would have had Wolverine die if he had come close to that mutant-power sucking kid. I mean, he needs that super-healing factor of his to live with a metal-coated skeleton. Would have been interesting how he would have been affected had he been injected with a “cure” shot also.
Sabretooth and Nightcrawler were missed IMHO.
I found the scene with a young Angel rather disturbing for a PG-13. Also, would have been cooler if he had three pairs of wings like when he was the Archangel.
I’m used to comic-adaptations never really living up to the expectations of geeks, so overall I really liked this.
[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Just thought this news might interest those who think Marvel comics is going all out on the movie-making: they just announced a Ghost Rider movie, starring none other than Nicholas Cage.
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Yea, they showed the preview for it when I went to see X-Men.
It looks like another one that’s going to be real good, if not great.
[quote]Galvatron wrote:
I wonder if they would have had Wolverine die if he had come close to that mutant-power sucking kid. I mean, he needs that super-healing factor of his to live with a metal-coated skeleton. Would have been interesting how he would have been affected had he been injected with a “cure” shot also.
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When talking about solely the movies, Wolverine has lost his powers before(twice in the first X-Men, when Rogue touched him and when he touched her on top of the Statue Of Liberty), and it didn’t seem to kill him.
In the comics it may have been different, but initially, before Magneto removed his adamantium skeleton, his body had no problem with it. Afterwards it rejected it.
[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
Yea, they showed the preview for it when I went to see X-Men.
It looks like another one that’s going to be real good, if not great.[/quote]
Ah shoot! I thought I had an exclusive here. Oh well, since it’s gonna be this good… Did they show Cage as Johnny Blaze? Somehow I don’t see him in that role. Might be just me, though.
[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
SWR-1222D wrote:
Yea, they showed the preview for it when I went to see X-Men.
It looks like another one that’s going to be real good, if not great.
Ah shoot! I thought I had an exclusive here. Oh well, since it’s gonna be this good… Did they show Cage as Johnny Blaze? Somehow I don’t see him in that role. Might be just me, though.
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In the preview, it shows him as stunt rider on a motorcycle. Apparently, he can’t be killed. They briefly go into his myth that he is a man by day, but at night, in the presence of evil, he rides theme music and all that shit with dramatic pause That was one I never got into so I don’t know the deep story behind Ghostrider other than that I liked he was riding a motorcycle. The special effects in the preview made it seem as if they just might pull that one off. I just kept thinking of Gone in 60 Seconds during the preview so he is probably the right choice for the part.
That’s true. Its just this time around it seemed permanent, and not just another thing he could recover from.
When talking about solely the movies, Wolverine has lost his powers before(twice in the first X-Men, when Rogue touched him and when he touched her on top of the Statue Of Liberty), and it didn’t seem to kill him.
In the comics it may have been different, but initially, before Magneto removed his adamantium skeleton, his body had no problem with it. Afterwards it rejected it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
In the preview, it shows him as stunt rider on a motorcycle. Apparently, he can’t be killed. They briefly go into his myth that he is a man by day, but at night, in the presence of evil, he rides theme music and all that shit with dramatic pause That was one I never got into so I don’t know the deep story behind Ghostrider other than that I liked he was riding a motorcycle. The special effects in the preview made it seem as if they just might pull that one off. I just kept thinking of Gone in 60 Seconds during the preview so he is probably the right choice for the part.[/quote]
Thanks for the infos, Prof. Maybe my doubts rise from me remembering Cage the most from his recent ‘Weather Man’, which isn’t quite the same type of acting… Guess I’ll have to wait and see the movie to say I does a good job or not.
Anyway, here’s a link to the original Ghost Rider, aka Johnny Blaze
[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Professor X wrote:
In the preview, it shows him as stunt rider on a motorcycle. Apparently, he can’t be killed. They briefly go into his myth that he is a man by day, but at night, in the presence of evil, he rides theme music and all that shit with dramatic pause That was one I never got into so I don’t know the deep story behind Ghostrider other than that I liked he was riding a motorcycle. The special effects in the preview made it seem as if they just might pull that one off. I just kept thinking of Gone in 60 Seconds during the preview so he is probably the right choice for the part.
Thanks for the infos, Prof. Maybe my doubts rise from me remembering Cage the most from his recent ‘Weather Man’, which isn’t quite the same type of acting… Guess I’ll have to wait and see the movie to say I does a good job or not.
Anyway, here’s a link to the original Ghost Rider, aka Johnny Blaze
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Yup, they did show the flaming skull. The special effects looked realy well done too.
I also didn’t get much into Ghost Rider, but I think I’ll still enjoy it.
Johnny Blaze was a good for nothing punk who was unofficially ‘adopted’ by an Evel Knievel-type daredevil and stunt-rider, raised as the man’s own son, and set onto a decent (if odd) path in life. He joined the family stunt-riding act, and proved to be a natural with motorcycles. In time, he fell in love with his mentor’s daughter, Roxy, and everything in Blaze’s life finally looked decent.
Then he discovered that his mentor was dying of cancer. No doctor could help him. In a fit of desperation, Blaze turned to the occult. Using a ritual from a weathered tome he’d purchased, he summoned up the Devil himself and made a deal – His soul in exchange for curing the old man’s cancer.
That night Blaze was elated in helping the old man prepare for a jump over a row of school buses, knowing that his mentor’s illness was cured. The jump failed and the bike went up in a fireball, killing the old man instantly. Railing against the Devil, Blaze was informed that the evil one’s end of the bargain had indeed been fulfilled – the old man was free of the blight of cancer when his life was taken. The Devil then proceeded to collect his due…
Or so it seemed. Roxy had been spying on Blaze all these months, and knew what he was up to. She used the knowledge she’d gleaned from the tomes to save Blaze, but he was never whole again. As a parting curse, the Devil bound his soul with that of an infernal demon whose mission is to seek out the sinful and punish them with the cold, soul-searing touch of Hellfire.
Yes, I know way too much about this crap.
Speaking of the upcoming superman being kinda small, I’m pretty sure its to appeal to a wider audience.
How many girls will go see the movie now because the lead character is hot? How many WOULDN’T go see the movie if Coleman was superman? It’s all about ticket sales.
Lucas marketed 2 trailers for his star wars movies… One heavily featured the action scenes and revenge story, and one featured heavily the love story between Anakin and his wife. It’s all about money.
[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
TTewell342 wrote:
SPOILER ALERT
…Jean Grey is DEAD. I don’t see her coming back from claws to the gut…
But isn’t the Phoenix notorious for “rising from the ashes”?
I don’t know from the comic books, but from the movie it seemed that Cyclops shooting the water is what allowed Phoenix to rise again, and now I’m thinking that Pyro will be the one who would be able to make her rise again (if it is in fact some kind of fire that allows the phoenix to rise from the ashes).
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Don’t worry. I’m sure the team will find a creative answer if there is enough demand for her to come back. The good old 'have ‘em beg for more by taker her out’ tactic.
Back to X-3:
Kelsey Grammar kicked ass as beast!
I didn’t/don’t know much about the BEast character, but Fraiser did a great job.
Hell I’d go see a Beast spin-off movie…it would be much beter than Elektra and DareDevil.
“His Cyclops character’s lessened screen time in X-Men: The Last Stand is due to scheduling conflicts with his prior commitment to his role in Superman Returns.”
Wikipedia’s James Marsden profile.
[quote]Hanzo wrote:
“His Cyclops character’s lessened screen time in X-Men: The Last Stand is due to scheduling conflicts with his prior commitment to his role in Superman Returns.”
Wikipedia’s James Marsden profile.
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Good find. I didn’t even know he was going to be in that movie. Either way, I do feel that shafted his character in the last two movies.
[quote]WguitarG wrote:
Actually it was not the devil that was summoned, but a demon known as Mephisto who tricked Blaze’s real mother years ago. [/quote]
Mephistopheles is an old name for the Devil, or sometimes one of the Dukes or Arch-Dukes of Hell. Marvel started out writing a supernatural horror tale in the Marvel Universe, but relented and softened things up, changing the origin years later as they caught flak from various groups.
Rule of thumb with Marvel: no character’s origin story remains intact for more than a couple years. 
Everything is retconned sooner or later.