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Israel is a racist, apartheid state. It is shameful to me as an American that we give billions of dollars to a country founded on the premise of racial supremacy.

I used to belive the “Israel is our ally”, “Israel is great”, “Israel is the only democracy in the middle east” BS until I started reading about political stuff and discovered how the things really work.

You guys really think the Israeli’s give a rat’s ass about us?? They’ve taken us for the biggest ride in history. They have nuclear submarines right now off our Atlantic coast with missles pointed at all of our major cities, just in case our politicians wake up and get out of the influence of the Jewish lobby’s gazillions of dollars and realize Israel’s deceit and treacherous ways.

Case in point is the USS Liberty fiasco, where those fuckers killed 37 of our servicemen and wounded 171 others. There’s a lot of evidence that they knew about the bombing of our marine barracks in Lebanon (241 Americans killed). And of course the infamous 9/11 video, where 5 Israeli’s where arrested after celebrating across the river in NJ as the Towers burned (the 5 turned out to be Mossad agents). Now why would Israeli intelligence agents be happy that we were attacked? Because 9/11 was great for Israel. Of course this was buried by the news media, since our media is controlled by Jewish moguls who appear more sympathetic to Israel than America.

Our alliance with them is totally one-sided. We basically have given them the keys to the White House while they repeatedly f*ck us over. I wish more people would wake up and smell the coffee.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Israel is a racist, apartheid state. It is shameful to me as an American that we give billions of dollars to a country founded on the premise of racial supremacy.

I used to belive the “Israel is our ally”, “Israel is great”, “Israel is the only democracy in the middle east” BS until I started reading about political stuff and discovered how the things really work.

You guys really think the Israeli’s give a rat’s ass about us?? They’ve taken us for the biggest ride in history. They have nuclear submarines right now off our Atlantic coast with missles pointed at all of our major cities, just in case our politicians wake up and get out of the influence of the Jewish lobby’s gazillions of dollars and realize Israel’s deceit and treacherous ways.

Case in point is the USS Liberty fiasco, where those fuckers killed 37 of our servicemen and wounded 171 others. There’s a lot of evidence that they knew about the bombing of our marine barracks in Lebanon (241 Americans killed). And of course the infamous 9/11 video, where 5 Israeli’s where arrested after celebrating across the river in NJ as the Towers burned (the 5 turned out to be Mossad agents). Now why would Israeli intelligence agents be happy that we were attacked? Because 9/11 was great for Israel. Of course this was buried by the news media, since our media is controlled by Jewish moguls who appear more sympathetic to Israel than America.

Our alliance with them is totally one-sided. We basically have given them the keys to the White House while they repeatedly f*ck us over. I wish more people would wake up and smell the coffee. [/quote]

Oh my god, you are falling for all the conspiracy crap people put on the internet? You read these crazy biased opinions and believer them? Come on, have a little more intelligence then that.

First please understand they didn’t create their land out of any idea of superiority, but out of their religious beliefs.

And no I am not saying they are perfect, nor that they did not engage in tactics that are less then ethical. But I will say that their tactics have been blown up to ridiculous proportions.

I Israel our ally? Yes, yet you have to realize they are still a separate country and they look out for their interests more then ours, just as any country would. This is normal.

Now I do not know where you got the idea that they have submarines with missiles pointed at us. Where is your proof? I believe they only have 3 subs in their Navy and cannot see them sending at least two if not all of them to America, and leaving none in their “backyard”. (I should mention they also have a single semi-submersible.)

As far as the USS Liberty, you have heard of a thing called friendly fire have you not? Mistakes are made all the time. It is unfortunate, but it happens, and it is not intentional. I know there is a complaint that the ship was well marked, but have you ever tried to read a marking from far away? Have you ever looked at anything in the ocean from far away?

When at war people make quick decisions, and don’t spend their time trying to double check things when they think they are about to be attacked. A lot of ships do look alike. I believe Congress not only found the reasons given not only credible, but found substantiating information that lent credibility to their claim. I believe everything has since been declassified. (Our government is classification happy.)

You say they there was evidence they knew about US Marines being attacked in Lebanon. (I assume you mean before it happened?) What is the evidence?

Now as far as those Israelis who were supposed to be celebrating, the FBI did arrest these people, did give them lie detector tests, which they did fail for the most part.

The FBI concluded they had nothing to do with 911, were in fact spies who were here not to spy on the US, but on Palestinians. They actually passed the portion of the polygraph test where they said they didn’t have foreknowledge of the events.

(I should note that if they were actually trained in passing polygraph tests, they would not have failed any of it.)

Now are there spies from Israel here, and in our government? Yep. And guess what, we got spies in their government too. We probably have spies in every major country, and those countries either have spies here, or they are trying, or have tried to get spies in our government. Just the way the world works.

Anyway, please avoid all those conspiracy websites. They can make BS sound good.

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Great post OS.

I think it’s important to clarify for anyone who thinks this is anti Semitic that there is a huge difference between Zionism and Judaism. While most Zionists are Jewish, most Jews are not Zionists.

Zionism is the “shadow government” eluded to by wacky “conspiracy theorists” such as Teddy Roosevelt and Albert Enstein.

[quote]
“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.”[/quote]
-President Theodore Roosevelt, 1906

Einstein’s Letter to the Editor
New York Times
December 4, 1948

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States…
http://www.rense.com/general59/ein.htm

From the book - “The Hidden History of Zionism” by Ralph Schoenman (1988)

Four overriding myths have shaped the consciousness of most people in our society about Zionism.

  • The first is that of “A land without a people for a people without a land.” This myth was sedulously cultivated by early Zionists to promote the fiction that Palestine was a remote, desolate place ready for the taking. This claim was quickly followed by denial of Palestinian identity, nationhood or legitimate entitlement to the land in which the Palestinian people have lived throughout their recorded history.

  • The second is the myth of Israeli democracy. Innumerable newspaper stories or television references to the Israeli state are followed by the assertion that it is the only “real” democracy in the Middle East. In fact, Israel is as democratic as the apartheid state of South Africa. Civil liberty, due process and the most basic human rights are by law denied those who do not meet racial, religious criteria.

  • The third myth is that of “security” as the motor force of Israeli foreign policy. Zionists maintain that their state must be the fourth largest military power in the world because Israel has been forced to defend itself against imminent menace from primitive, hate-consumed Arab masses only recently dropped from the trees.

  • The fourth myth is that of Zionism as the moral legatee of the victims of the Holocaust. This is at once the most pervasive and insidious of the myths about Zionism. Ideologues for the Zionist movement have wrapped themselves in the collective shroud of the six million Jews who fell victim to Nazi mass murder. The bitter and cruel irony of this false claim is that the Zionist movement itself actively colluded with Nazism from its inception.

To most people it appears anomalous that the Zionist movement, which forever invokes the horror of the Holocaust, should have collaborated actively with the most vicious enemy ever faced by the Jews. The record, however, reveals not merely common interests but a deep ideological affinity rooted in the extreme chauvinism which they share.

Let’s Stop a US/Israeli War on Iran
By BILL and KATHLEEN CHRISTISON
Former CIA analysts
The reckless and unnecessary dangers arising from such a war are so obvious that one wonders why normal political forces in the two aggressor countries – both of whom love to glorify themselves as democracies – would not prevent such a war from happening.
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison12292005.html

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
As far as the USS Liberty, you have heard of a thing called friendly fire have you not? Mistakes are made all the time. It is unfortunate, but it happens, and it is not intentional. I know there is a complaint that the ship was well marked, but have you ever tried to read a marking from far away? Have you ever looked at anything in the ocean from far away?

When at war people make quick decisions, and don’t spend their time trying to double check things when they think they are about to be attacked. A lot of ships do look alike. I believe Congress not only found the reasons given not only credible, but found substantiating information that lent credibility to their claim. I believe everything has since been declassified. (Our government is classification happy.)

Anyway, please avoid all those conspiracy websites. They can make BS sound good.
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Read the account before you throw around the conspiracy theory label. There has NEVER been a congressional investigation.

You guys are ready to boycott France in a heartbeat but you defend Israel like the US is your SECOND home. At least we got a statue from France…

War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel, June 8, 1967
http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

USS Liberty
http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Israel is a racist, apartheid state. It is shameful to me as an American that we give billions of dollars to a country founded on the premise of racial supremacy.

I used to belive the “Israel is our ally”, “Israel is great”, “Israel is the only democracy in the middle east” BS until I started reading about political stuff and discovered how the things really work.

You guys really think the Israeli’s give a rat’s ass about us?? They’ve taken us for the biggest ride in history. They have nuclear submarines right now off our Atlantic coast with missles pointed at all of our major cities, just in case our politicians wake up and get out of the influence of the Jewish lobby’s gazillions of dollars and realize Israel’s deceit and treacherous ways.

Case in point is the USS Liberty fiasco, where those fuckers killed 37 of our servicemen and wounded 171 others. There’s a lot of evidence that they knew about the bombing of our marine barracks in Lebanon (241 Americans killed). And of course the infamous 9/11 video, where 5 Israeli’s where arrested after celebrating across the river in NJ as the Towers burned (the 5 turned out to be Mossad agents). Now why would Israeli intelligence agents be happy that we were attacked? Because 9/11 was great for Israel. Of course this was buried by the news media, since our media is controlled by Jewish moguls who appear more sympathetic to Israel than America.

Our alliance with them is totally one-sided. We basically have given them the keys to the White House while they repeatedly f*ck us over. I wish more people would wake up and smell the coffee. [/quote]

I agree with this. They would just as soon cause the end of the world in a nuclear war for their little country, and I doubt that they would even think twice. I don’t trust them anymore than a conservative trusts the PLO

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Former Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion: “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. Politically, we are the aggressors, and they [Palestinians] defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view, we want to take away from them their country.”

Current Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: “We control America”. That arrogant bastard said that on Israeli radio in the midst of a heated debate in 2001. Sadly, he was telling the truth. Can you imagine the outrage if the French president or the Saudi ruler were to say such a thing?? It would be the first thing on the nightly news. But of course, since nothing remotely critical can be ever said of Israel, most people never heard the above.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Oh my god [OKLAHOMA STATE], you are falling for all the conspiracy crap people put on the internet? You read these crazy biased opinions and believer them? Come on, have a little more intelligence then that.

Anyway, please avoid all those conspiracy websites. They can make BS sound good.
[/quote]

Israel-Firster Cheryl Halpern Named Head Of Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Washington Report, December 2005

CPB head Cheryl F. Halpern (www.cpb.org).

CHERYL F. Halpern, a major Republican fundraiser, has been elected the new chairwoman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). The private, nonprofit corporation, created by Congress in 1967, describes itself as “the largest single source of funding for public television and radio programming.”

Halpern has served on the CPB board since 2002, and has criticized National Public Radio’s Middle East coverage, calling it biased against Israel. She has overseen such U.S. government-funded media projects as Voice of America, Radio Marti in Cuba and Radio Free Iraq. Formerly chairwoman for the Republican Jewish Coalition, Halpern currently sits on the board of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a spinoff of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Israel’s Washington, DC lobby. In 2001 she used her own personal funds to commission a review of anti-Semitism in Syrian textbooks.

Halpern was a delegate from the Coordinating Board of Jewish Organizations to the 4th United Nations World Conference on Women’s Rights in 1995 in Beijing, and from 1998 to 2002 chaired the United Nations Advisory Council of B’nai B’rith International. Halpern’s selection as CPB chair, warned the citizens’ group Common Cause, may “mean more politicizing for public broadcasting.”

Perhaps not surprisingly, Halpern’s family has business interests in Israel. She is married to Fredrick Michael Halpern, a real estate developer born in Bayreuth, Bavaria, who is a member of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith as well as of AIPAC. The couple has three children.

In her new role Halpern will oversee distribution of the $400 million in funds for public radio and television stations that CPB receives from Congress

This is a woman mind you who ALREADY sees anti-Israeli bias in public broadcasting…

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[quote]alstan90 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.

Incase you didn’t know the palestinians were in jerusalem before the israelis.[/quote]

I am not sure who was there first but they have both been there for thousands of years.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.

Incase you didn’t know the palestinians were in jerusalem before the israelis.

I am not sure who was there first but they have both been there for thousands of years.[/quote]

The Canaanites are known to have been there first. Some say the Palestinians are descended from them, but I believe this is a fairly recent claim, and nobody truly knows if there are even any descendants of the Canaanites, and if there are, who they are. They may have been the Phoenicians as it is said that they called their land Canaan.

I believe the people who currently call themselves Palestinians came there in the 10th century. My understanding is that there has always been a Jewish presence there.

Anyway there never has been a Palestinian state. The Area has been part of other empires since ancient Israel and Judea were lost. After WWI it become part of British territory. And Great Briton made promises to Both the Jews who started immigration there in mass since the 1880’s, and the Muslims who lived around the same area. The Muslims didn’t know about the agreement with the Jews, assuming they were to get everything.

I believe that the people who call themselves Palestinian are originally the same people as the Jordanians, and the Jordanians were originally called Palestinians, along with the Jews called Jewish-Palestinians.

I should note that it is very hard to research this subject online due to all the propaganda online from all sides.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
I should note that it is very hard to research this subject online due to all the propaganda online from all sides.
[/quote]

I have found this to be true as well. However, this kind of one sided propaganda is exactly the stuff that JTF and OS are looking for.

What’s funny is that we’re suposed to believe that Isreal has nuclear subs stationed off of our coast with missiles pointed at our cities to keep us in line, but the possibility that Iraq shipped out WMD’s prior to invasion is ridiculas?

You guys are inconsistant.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Great post OS.

I think it’s important to clarify for anyone who thinks this is anti Semitic that there is a huge difference between Zionism and Judaism. While most Zionists are Jewish, most Jews are not Zionists.

Zionism is the “shadow government” eluded to by wacky “conspiracy theorists” such as Teddy Roosevelt and Albert Enstein.

[/quote]

I have been on many anti-jewish sites (the term “antisemitic” means nothing, it is way overused and has lost its power)I did not expect such a vitriolic garbage on an otherwise fun/interesting web site. It’s probably because some of the posts are written by individuals (“AllTheFacts” and the like)that have no other purpose in their boring lives that find reasons to hate and spread their hate to others. They have no place here, the mere mention of a website like Rense.com makes this the more obvious.

One small clarification:
To claim that not all Zionists are jewish and that not all jews are Zionists is just another slogan to redirect the counter attacks. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist. And why should it be? Zion is another word for “Eretz Israel” (The land of Israel), Israel being the people, not the country. Being a Zionist, in a nutshell, is nothing but promoting the returns of all of Israel(Mostly jewish tribes nowadays) to its ancestral land and thus saving it from destruction/persecution by the likes of “AllTheFacts” and Rense.com .
Nothing less, nothing more.
To say that not all jews are Zionists is stating the obvious, but as in all rules there are allways exceptions . So yes,while you probably will find some anti_zionist jews(The worst, most virulent AntiZionists are self-hating renegate Jews), the vast majority of the jews (more than 98%) are Zionist. It’s just a question of survival. The honored “AllTheFacts” should also know that Jordan is a made-up entity, so is Lebanon, so are all the emirates of the Arab world, and that’s a FACT. Also, 90 to 95% of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian extraction…why? because Jordan is part of Palestine. Yet I don’t see of the Rense.com’ avid believers load their Luger to liberate Jordan or Lebanon from their invaders. And that’s a fact.
Another one for you, Mr Jew-Hater… oh I am sorry Mr AllTheFacts , there is no such thing as a Palestinian People. The term was hijacked in the early 60’s by Arafat and his minions in order to give recognition to his murderous endeavors. They called themselves “Syrians” before that. And that’s a FACT.
Palestine is a region that encompasses most of current Israel, most of Jordan and part of Lebanon. Its name was coined by then Roman occupiers, Philistia, after the former inhabitants of the region, the Philistines. The Arabs arrived there, around the 10th century AC, a very long time indeed after philistines disappeared entirely. Jews that lived in the region in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries (Up to 1948 and maybe beyond) were called Palestinian Jews and their Arab neighbors, Palestinian Arabs.
All these are FACTS.
So enough with the Zionist Conspiracy BS, the Jew-Zionist Crap. Jews are Zionists… and so am I.
And that’s a FACT.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The Mage wrote:
I should note that it is very hard to research this subject online due to all the propaganda online from all sides.

I have found this to be true as well. However, this kind of one sided propaganda is exactly the stuff that JTF and OS are looking for.

What’s funny is that we’re suposed to believe that Isreal has nuclear subs stationed off of our coast with missiles pointed at our cities to keep us in line, but the possibility that Iraq shipped out WMD’s prior to invasion is ridiculas?

You guys are inconsistant.
[/quote]

I don’t know about nukes actually pointed at us but they are blackmailing the US to some extent. One thing for sure, with all their spying in the US, I’ll bet their targeting is pretty well dialed in.

The Third Temple’s Holy Of Holies: Israel’s Nuclear Weapons
by Warner D. Farr, LTC, U.S. Army

The Counterproliferation Papers
Future Warfare Series No. 2
USAF Counterproliferation Center
Air War College

Air University
Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama

[excerpt]
Another speculative area concerns Israeli nuclear security and possible misuse. What is the chain of decision and control of Israel’s weapons? How susceptible are they to misuse or theft?

With no open, frank, public debate on nuclear issues, there has accordingly been no debate or information on existing safeguards. This has led to accusations of “monolithic views and sinister intentions.”

Would a right wing military government decide to employ nuclear weapons recklessly? Ariel Sharon, an outspoken proponent of “Greater Israel” was quoted as saying, “Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches.”

Could the Gush Emunim, a right wing religious organization, or others, hijack a nuclear device to “liberate” the Temple Mount for the building of the third temple? Chances are small but could increase as radicals decry the peace process.

[quote]
[Israel’s Sharon aims to scrap peace plan]
02 Jan 2006
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02599635.htm[/quote]

A 1997 article reviewing the Israeli Defense Force repeatedly stressed the possibilities of, and the need to guard against, a religious, right wing military coup, especially as the proportion of religious in the military increases.

Israel is a nation with a state religion, but its top leaders are not religious Jews…

One other purpose of Israeli nuclear weapons, not often stated, but obvious, is their “use” on the United States. America does not want Israel’s nuclear profile raised. They have been used in the past to ensure America does not desert Israel under increased Arab, or oil embargo, pressure and have forced the United States to support Israeli diplomatically against the Soviet Union. Israel used their existence to guarantee a continuing supply of American conventional weapons, a policy likely to continue.

Regardless of the true types and numbers (see Appendix A) of Israeli nuclear weapons, they have developed a sophisticated system, by myriad methods, and are a nuclear power to be reckoned with. Their nuclear ambiguity has served their purposes well but Israel is entering a different phase of visibility even as their nuclear capability is entering a new phase. This new visibility may not be in America’s interest.

Many are predicting the Israeli nuclear arsenal will become less useful “out of the basement” and possibly spur a regional arms race. If so, Israel has a 5-10 year lead time at present before mutual assured destruction, Middle East style, will set in.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

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[quote]deavman wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Great post OS.

I think it’s important to clarify for anyone who thinks this is anti Semitic that there is a huge difference between Zionism and Judaism. While most Zionists are Jewish, most Jews are not Zionists.

Zionism is the “shadow government” eluded to by wacky “conspiracy theorists” such as Teddy Roosevelt and Albert Enstein.

I have been on many anti-jewish sites (the term “antisemitic” means nothing, it is way overused and has lost its power)I did not expect such a vitriolic garbage on an otherwise fun/interesting web site. It’s probably because some of the posts are written by individuals (“AllTheFacts” and the like)that have no other purpose in their boring lives that find reasons to hate and spread their hate to others. They have no place here, the mere mention of a website like Rense.com makes this the more obvious.

One small clarification:
To claim that not all Zionists are jewish and that not all jews are Zionists is just another slogan to redirect the counter attacks. There is nothing wrong with being Zionist. And why should it be? Zion is another word for “Eretz Israel” (The land of Israel), Israel being the people, not the country. Being a Zionist, in a nutshell, is nothing but promoting the returns of all of Israel(Mostly jewish tribes nowadays) to its ancestral land and thus saving it from destruction/persecution by the likes of “AllTheFacts” and Rense.com .
Nothing less, nothing more.
To say that not all jews are Zionists is stating the obvious, but as in all rules there are allways exceptions . So yes,while you probably will find some anti_zionist jews(The worst, most virulent AntiZionists are self-hating renegate Jews), the vast majority of the jews (more than 98%) are Zionist. It’s just a question of survival. The honored “AllTheFacts” should also know that Jordan is a made-up entity, so is Lebanon, so are all the emirates of the Arab world, and that’s a FACT. Also, 90 to 95% of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian extraction…why? because Jordan is part of Palestine. Yet I don’t see of the Rense.com’ avid believers load their Luger to liberate Jordan or Lebanon from their invaders. And that’s a fact.
Another one for you, Mr Jew-Hater… oh I am sorry Mr AllTheFacts , there is no such thing as a Palestinian People. The term was hijacked in the early 60’s by Arafat and his minions in order to give recognition to his murderous endeavors. They called themselves “Syrians” before that. And that’s a FACT.
Palestine is a region that encompasses most of current Israel, most of Jordan and part of Lebanon. Its name was coined by then Roman occupiers, Philistia, after the former inhabitants of the region, the Philistines. The Arabs arrived there, around the 10th century AC, a very long time indeed after philistines disappeared entirely. Jews that lived in the region in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries (Up to 1948 and maybe beyond) were called Palestinian Jews and their Arab neighbors, Palestinian Arabs.
All these are FACTS.
So enough with the Zionist Conspiracy BS, the Jew-Zionist Crap. Jews are Zionists… and so am I.
And that’s a FACT.[/quote]

Gee you seem a little bit upset there.
Are you telling us that the Jews or Zionists as you call them in the USA are not trying to use American money and foriegn policy for the benefit of Israel?

You must think everyone on the planet is an idiot. There are no conspiracy theories in this. American Jews are Jews first and Americans second. Do you not agree?
Oh and I think they are doing the right thing as Jews. I respect any Nation that can bring such love and loyalty from it’s people…Unfortunately it only benefits one country to the detriment of a whole bunch of others and the American taxpayer foots the bill.
There have always been Jew haters and always will be. That seems to be the fate of “Gods Chosen People”.
I personally have no problem with Israel and it’s people. Been there a few times and always enjoyed the people.
But then I am not a Palestinian and haven’t had my home bulldozed into oblivion.
I also believe that might makes right!
Right?

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Oh yes, how dare I criticize Israel. Besides calling me “anti-Semitic”, which anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically called, I knew that was going to happen. Always does.

I live in NYC right now, and let tell you something, “anti-Semitism” is caused by Jewish people themselves. I used to believe the media nonsense about Israel till I moved here and saw how things really operate. It ain’t pretty.

And yes, the majority of Jews here in NYC are Jewish first and American second…which means they would f*ck over America in a heartbeat if it were good for Israel. I have a big problem with that. If don’t you put America #1, then get the hell out of my country.

None of that stuff I posted is “propaganda”, BTW. The only propaganda is what the media feeds us on a daily basis regarding Israel.

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[quote]grey wrote:
There have always been Jew haters and always will be. That seems to be the fate of “Gods Chosen People”.
I personally have no problem with Israel and it’s people. Been there a few times and always enjoyed the people.
But then I am not a Palestinian and haven’t had my home bulldozed into oblivion.
I also believe that might makes right!
Right?[/quote]

Yeah you’re right…you’re probably mentionning the state sponsored destruction of the Gaza strip Jewish Palestinian/settlers’ vilages and farms following the “disengagement” decision. Poor bastards, they really did not deserve that kind of treatment… what did they do exactly ?

Or may be you were thinking of the the suicide-murderers’ house being flatened as a punishment for killing, maiming and destroying countless lives.

Let me see… what would the good Ol’Americans do if the Mexican city of Tijuana would train, arm and finally send their young best to a killing rampage in one of the LA trendy shopping Malls , during christmas season, because after all, California is really only part of Baja California, and they need to redeem it…
Well …

I think the whole city should be bombed flat, that’s what. Such a behavior does not just pop out of nowhere, it has to be nurtured, promoted, advertised, recompensed, totally supported by the local population; the whole community did it… so while the jews are merely punishing the evildoers by destroying a little property, noone will say a word if Tijuana is leveled.

You have visited Israel, you say, well on your next visit, please send me a note, I’ll take on little tour… I live on the Lebanese border… Not long ago I was awaken by the whistling sound of a falling shell (Russian Katyusha) sent by the Hizballah factions, closeby. It fell in a field 150 yards away from where I was.

The Israeli Army left Lebanon over 4 years ago, yet there is no respite from those attacks. Hate is what drives them, not their supposed loss of land, hate is what made the 9/11 events happen, hate is what makes the their young decide to murder bystanders, not lack of sovereignty over East Jerusalem. So what would you suggest we’d do? Understand them when they come armed to the teeth find a confortable spot above the main road and get to spray automatic fire on the passing cars on a sunny Saturday… sorry. Bulldozing their house is too small a price, in my opinion.
Hope to see you soon though… unless Iran gets here before you do.
Avi

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
The Mage wrote:
I should note that it is very hard to research this subject online due to all the propaganda online from all sides.

I have found this to be true as well. However, this kind of one sided propaganda is exactly the stuff that JTF and OS are looking for.

What’s funny is that we’re suposed to believe that Isreal has nuclear subs stationed off of our coast with missiles pointed at our cities to keep us in line, but the possibility that Iraq shipped out WMD’s prior to invasion is ridiculas?

You guys are inconsistant.

[/quote]

yup, that’s RIDICULAS.

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CIA Gave Iran Bomb Plans, Book Says:

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Oh yes, how dare I criticize Israel. Besides calling me “anti-Semitic”, which anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically called, I knew that was going to happen. Always does.

I live in NYC right now, and let tell you something, “anti-Semitism” is caused by Jewish people themselves.[/quote]

So you know a few Jews. Does that give you the right to pre-judge all of them?

Each person must be judged on who they are, not what they are. Actions, not race.

The fact that you blame the Jews shows you are anti-Semitic. Or at least Anti-Jew.

Now do you have a solution? What is your solution? Is it a final solution?

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[quote]deavman wrote:
grey wrote:
There have always been Jew haters and always will be. That seems to be the fate of “Gods Chosen People”.
I personally have no problem with Israel and it’s people. Been there a few times and always enjoyed the people.
But then I am not a Palestinian and haven’t had my home bulldozed into oblivion.
I also believe that might makes right!
Right?

Yeah you’re right…you’re probably mentionning the state sponsored destruction of the Gaza strip Jewish Palestinian/settlers’ vilages and farms following the “disengagement” decision. Poor bastards, they really did not deserve that kind of treatment… what did they do exactly ?

Or may be you were thinking of the the suicide-murderers’ house being flatened as a punishment for killing, maiming and destroying countless lives.

Let me see… what would the good Ol’Americans do if the Mexican city of Tijuana would train, arm and finally send their young best to a killing rampage in one of the LA trendy shopping Malls , during christmas season, because after all, California is really only part of Baja California, and they need to redeem it…
Well …

I think the whole city should be bombed flat, that’s what. Such a behavior does not just pop out of nowhere, it has to be nurtured, promoted, advertised, recompensed, totally supported by the local population; the whole community did it… so while the jews are merely punishing the evildoers by destroying a little property, noone will say a word if Tijuana is leveled.

You have visited Israel, you say, well on your next visit, please send me a note, I’ll take on little tour… I live on the Lebanese border… Not long ago I was awaken by the whistling sound of a falling shell (Russian Katyusha) sent by the Hizballah factions, closeby. It fell in a field 150 yards away from where I was.

The Israeli Army left Lebanon over 4 years ago, yet there is no respite from those attacks. Hate is what drives them, not their supposed loss of land, hate is what made the 9/11 events happen, hate is what makes the their young decide to murder bystanders, not lack of sovereignty over East Jerusalem. So what would you suggest we’d do? Understand them when they come armed to the teeth find a confortable spot above the main road and get to spray automatic fire on the passing cars on a sunny Saturday… sorry. Bulldozing their house is too small a price, in my opinion.
Hope to see you soon though… unless Iran gets here before you do.
Avi[/quote]

Cmon man. You cannot try to tell me that Israelis are innocent and all Palestinians are terrorists. The world just does not work that way.
There is blame on both sides for sure here.
The difference is this…
The Jewish people are “smarter” and more organised as a people.
If the tables were turned and the Palestinians had the upper hand in power and support we would be seeing Israeli suicide bombers and Palestinian
bulldozers at work.
I once again wish to make it perfectly clear that I believe that Israel is doing the right thing…for Israel.
I would not have my Country act any different in the same circumstances.
Unfortunately there can be no winner here. There is right and wrong on both sides today.
But one thing you can be certain of…future generations will judge the actions of todays leaders and find them wanting…

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[quote]grey wrote:
deavman wrote:
grey wrote:
There have always been Jew haters and always will be. That seems to be the fate of “Gods Chosen People”.
I personally have no problem with Israel and it’s people. Been there a few times and always enjoyed the people.
But then I am not a Palestinian and haven’t had my home bulldozed into oblivion.
I also believe that might makes right!
Right?

Yeah you’re right…you’re probably mentionning the state sponsored destruction of the Gaza strip Jewish Palestinian/settlers’ vilages and farms following the “disengagement” decision. Poor bastards, they really did not deserve that kind of treatment… what did they do exactly ?

Or may be you were thinking of the the suicide-murderers’ house being flatened as a punishment for killing, maiming and destroying countless lives.

Let me see… what would the good Ol’Americans do if the Mexican city of Tijuana would train, arm and finally send their young best to a killing rampage in one of the LA trendy shopping Malls , during christmas season, because after all, California is really only part of Baja California, and they need to redeem it…
Well …

I think the whole city should be bombed flat, that’s what. Such a behavior does not just pop out of nowhere, it has to be nurtured, promoted, advertised, recompensed, totally supported by the local population; the whole community did it… so while the jews are merely punishing the evildoers by destroying a little property, noone will say a word if Tijuana is leveled.

You have visited Israel, you say, well on your next visit, please send me a note, I’ll take on little tour… I live on the Lebanese border… Not long ago I was awaken by the whistling sound of a falling shell (Russian Katyusha) sent by the Hizballah factions, closeby. It fell in a field 150 yards away from where I was.

The Israeli Army left Lebanon over 4 years ago, yet there is no respite from those attacks. Hate is what drives them, not their supposed loss of land, hate is what made the 9/11 events happen, hate is what makes the their young decide to murder bystanders, not lack of sovereignty over East Jerusalem. So what would you suggest we’d do? Understand them when they come armed to the teeth find a confortable spot above the main road and get to spray automatic fire on the passing cars on a sunny Saturday… sorry. Bulldozing their house is too small a price, in my opinion.
Hope to see you soon though… unless Iran gets here before you do.
Avi

Cmon man. You cannot try to tell me that Israelis are innocent and all Palestinians are terrorists. The world just does not work that way.
There is blame on both sides for sure here.
The difference is this…
The Jewish people are “smarter” and more organised as a people.
If the tables were turned and the Palestinians had the upper hand in power and support we would be seeing Israeli suicide bombers and Palestinian
bulldozers at work.
I once again wish to make it perfectly clear that I believe that Israel is doing the right thing…for Israel.
I would not have my Country act any different in the same circumstances.
Unfortunately there can be no winner here. There is right and wrong on both sides today.
But one thing you can be certain of…future generations will judge the actions of todays leaders and find them wanting…

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I doubt the Israelis would be using suicide bombers.

The suicide bomber thing is drilled into these kids heads in Islamic schools across the middle east.

There is a global war on Islamofascist terrorism but some people don’t want to see it.

Why do so many conspiracy theorists ignore the obvious Islamic conspiracy and blame a Jewish conspiracy or an oil company conspiracy?

With respect to the second class citizen Palistinian situation, until they renounce violence and protest peacefully I will back Israel’s handling of the situation.

When the bombs stop going off the world can put pressure on Israel to treat the Palestinians as equals.