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Mage-

When I refer to Israel and Jews, I am referring to Zionist, religiously fanatic Jews. Not mainstream, secular-type Jewish people. I have plenty of Jewish friends (all are secular, because of course a religious fanatic Jew couldn’t possibly be friends with a “Gentile”) and am dating a cute Jewish girl. I have nothing but upmost respect for all of my Jewish friends and would gladly take a bullet for them, as they are good people.

The Zionist, religously fanatic Jews in NYC are a different story. They are the most arrogant, racist, rude, downright nasty people I have ever met. In their “Talmud” it says it is ok for a Jew to kill a Gentile. Now most won’t agree with that, but most do believe that as a “Chosen People” they have every right to treat non-Jews like a piece of shit and many do and it carries over to how Israel views and treats the US and the Palestinians.

Little story: one of my roommates is from Georgia. Her sister met a Jewish guy in Europe 7-8 years ago and ended up marrying him. They now live in Crown Heights, a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn. Two years ago when my roommate wanted to go visit her sister her sister insisted that she wear traditional Jewish garb so people wouldn’t know she wasn’t Jewish. Why? Because if the neighborhood found out my roommates sister wasn’t of Jewish origin, she’d soon be friendless, because good Jews don’t have “Gentile” friends.

Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? He was a religious fanatic Jew who grew up in NYC and graduated from med school in NYC. He then moved to Israel in the early 1990s and in 1994 snuck into a West Bank mosque (with assistance from the Israeli security forces) and opened fire on Palestinian men and boys kneeling in prayer. He killed 47 and injured over 100 before he was beaten to death. When Red Cross ambulances arrived to transport the wounded the Jewish settlers from the neighboring village opened fire on the ambulances.

When Palestinians kill Israelis they are labeled terrorists. When Jews like Goldstein murder Palestinians they have shrines built for them in Israel and they become folk-heroes in the NYC Jewish community.

Do I have a solution? No. What I want is for my government to stop giving billions of dollars to a racist, apartheid state like Israel. Zionism is a bunch of bullshit and any human being proud to call themself a Zionist is a worthless piece of shit. And I want any Jewish person who would fuck America over in favor of Israel to get the hell out of my country.

That sounds reasonable, doesn’t it??

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“Let me see… what would the good Ol’Americans do if the Mexican city of Tijuana would train, arm and finally send their young best to a killing rampage in one of the LA trendy shopping Malls , during christmas season, because after all, California is really only part of Baja California, and they need to redeem it…
Well …
I think the whole city should be bombed flat, that’s what. Such a behavior does not just pop out of nowhere, it has to be nurtured, promoted, advertised, recompensed, totally supported by the local population; the whole community did it… so while the jews are merely punishing the evildoers by destroying a little property, noone will say a word if Tijuana is leveled.”

Avi-

Your analogy is flawed because when we (Americans) annexed California we didn’t forcefully kick millions of Mexicans out and then treat the ones who remained like animals, denying them basic rights, bulldozing their homes whenever we choose without any compensation or warning, erasing their history, or shooting-up their kids randomly whenever we felt like it. Your denial of what your people did and are still doing to the Palestinians is amazing, I guess that sort of denial is necessary to be a Zionist.

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Rachel Corrie, great human being:

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP, 3/16/2003) ? In a matter of months, Rachel Corrie went from the orderly peace movement of this small liberal city to a deadly world of gunfire, violent political conflict and the bulldozer that crushed her to death.

Corrie, 23, a student at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, died Sunday in Gaza while trying to stop the bulldozer from tearing down a Palestinian physician’s home. She fell in front of the machine, which ran over her and then backed up and ran over her again, witnesses said.

In an e-mail earlier this month, Corrie had described a Feb. 14 confrontation with another Israeli bulldozer in which she referred to herself and other activists as “internationals.”

“The internationals stood in the path of the bulldozer and were physically pushed with the shovel backwards, taking shelter in a house,” Corrie wrote in the e-mail.

“The bulldozer then proceeded on its course, demolishing one side of the house with the internationals inside,” she wrote.

Just a few months before her death, Corrie had been organizing events as an activist in Olympia’s peace movement and at Evergreen.

Through a local group called Olympians for Peace in the Middle East, she joined the International Solidarity Movement, a Palestinian-led group that uses nonviolent methods to challenge Israeli occupation. Among their methods is standing in front of the bulldozers Israel sends into the area nearly ever day to destroy homes near the Gaza-Egypt border.

Other protesters who were with Corrie in Gaza on Sunday said she was wearing a bright colored jacket when the bulldozer hit her.

“Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop,” said Greg Schnabel, 28, of Chicago. “She waved for the bulldozer to stop and waved. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. We yelled, ‘Stop, stop,’ and the bulldozer didn’t stop at all.”

Israeli military spokesman Capt. Jacob Dallal said her death was an accident [my comment- isn’t it funny every time Israeli’s murder innocent civilians it is an accident?]. State Department spokesman Lou Fintor said the U.S. government had asked Israeli officials for a full investigation.

A tearful Craig Corrie, Rachel’s father, remembered his daughter Sunday as “dedicated to everybody.”

“We’ve tried to bring up our children to have a sense of community, a sense of community that everybody in the world belonged to,” he said from his home in Charlotte, N.C. “Rachel believed that ? with her life, now.”

Corrie was already a committed peace activist when she arrived at Evergreen State, one of Corrie’s professors and a fellow activist.

“She was concerned about human rights and dignity,” he said. “That’s why she was there.”

The move from organizer to front-line opposition in a war zone was a switch for Corrie, whom friends said was not usually inclined to the overt acts of civil disobedience that characterized such events as the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle in 1999.

“As long as I’ve known her she’s always been very energetic and very focused about social justice,” said Phan Nguyen, 28, a friend and fellow activist who has made several similar trips to the West Bank. “It seemed natural that she would do something like this.”

In her e-mailed dispatch from Rafah, Corrie painted a picture of the perilous life of a human shield, recounting a Feb. 14 confrontation with the Israelis.

“We can only imagine what it is like for Palestinians living here, most of them already once-or-twice refugees already, for whom this is not a nightmare,” Corrie wrote, “but a continuous reality from which international privilege cannot protect them, and from which they have no economic means to escape.”

Were Rachel Corrie and her fellow activists anti-Semitic?

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Rachel Corrie, great human being:

Were Rachel Corrie and her fellow activists anti-Semitic too?[/quote]

I don’t know, OS - what do you think?

You should get over your illusions.

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“Illusions” of what?

Corrie, like any decent human being, was outraged by the barbaric treatment of the Palestinians by Israel and was protesting. But again, how dare anyone criticize sacred Israel.

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Anyone who really wants to learn about the Israel-Palestinian conflict should read “Arab and Jew- Wounded Spirits In a Promised Land” by David Shipler. Shipler spent 7 years in Israel/West Bank and wrote an objective book chronicling what he observed. A must read.

An interesting chapter in his book deals with mixed Israeli/Palestinian marriages. In almost every case, regardless of whether the Israeli was the bride or groon, the Israeli family did not accept the Palestinian bride/groom and the couples ended up settling in Palestinian villages where they were accepted. Hmmmm, wonder why.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Mage-

When I refer to Israel and Jews, I am referring to Zionist, religiously fanatic Jews. Not mainstream, secular-type Jewish people. I have plenty of Jewish friends (all are secular, because of course a religious fanatic Jew couldn’t possibly be friends with a “Gentile”) and am dating a cute Jewish girl. I have nothing but upmost respect for all of my Jewish friends and would gladly take a bullet for them, as they are good people. [/quote]

Ah, you said Jew, so I assumed you meant all of them, not just the fanatics. All religions, and non religious groups have their fanatics.

[quote]The Zionist, religously fanatic Jews in NYC are a different story. They are the most arrogant, racist, rude, downright nasty people I have ever met. In their “Talmud” it says it is ok for a Jew to kill a Gentile. Now most won’t agree with that, but most do believe that as a “Chosen People” they have every right to treat non-Jews like a piece of shit and many do and it carries over to how Israel views and treats the US and the Palestinians.

Little story: one of my roommates is from Georgia. Her sister met a Jewish guy in Europe 7-8 years ago and ended up marrying him. They now live in Crown Heights, a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn. Two years ago when my roommate wanted to go visit her sister her sister insisted that she wear traditional Jewish garb so people wouldn’t know she wasn’t Jewish. Why? Because if the neighborhood found out my roommates sister wasn’t of Jewish origin, she’d soon be friendless, because good Jews don’t have “Gentile” friends. [/quote]

The answer to this is to not put up with it. Any friend that would not accept my wife, regardless of her race, or religion, is not a true friend.

[quote]Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? He was a religious fanatic Jew who grew up in NYC and graduated from med school in NYC. He then moved to Israel in the early 1990s and in 1994 snuck into a West Bank mosque (with assistance from the Israeli security forces) and opened fire on Palestinian men and boys kneeling in prayer. He killed 47 and injured over 100 before he was beaten to death. When Red Cross ambulances arrived to transport the wounded the Jewish settlers from the neighboring village opened fire on the ambulances.

When Palestinians kill Israelis they are labeled terrorists. When Jews like Goldstein murder Palestinians they have shrines built for them in Israel and they become folk-heroes in the NYC Jewish community. [/quote]

It is actually illegal to build shines to people like Goldstein, (Who actually killed 29 people, according to the searches I did,)and in fact a shrine for him at his grave was dismantled. (Passed in 1998 specifically because of the shrines to Goldstein.) And in fact the group he belonged to that supported his actions has been outlawed too.

[quote]Do I have a solution? No. What I want is for my government to stop giving billions of dollars to a racist, apartheid state like Israel. Zionism is a bunch of bullshit and any human being proud to call themself a Zionist is a worthless piece of shit. And I want any Jewish person who would fuck America over in favor of Israel to get the hell out of my country.

That sounds reasonable, doesn’t it??[/quote]

I have to say that Zionism in and of itself is not racist, but I do know there are fanatical racists out there, and I believe Jewish racists tend to be Zionists. (Although it should be pointed out that there is General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Labor Zionism, and others.)

Bigotry is bigotry. Extremism is extremism. It is not limited to any one culture, race, religion, territory, or country.

I have no problem with Israel existing, nor do I have a problem with Palestine existing for the Palestinian people. I also would like to see them get along better then they do.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
“Illusions” of what?

Corrie, like any decent human being, was outraged by the barbaric treatment of the Palestinians by Israel and was protesting. But again, how dare anyone criticize sacred Israel.[/quote]

Corrie was nothing more than the philosophical concubine of terrorists. She died ‘defending’ passageways that allowed terrorists to get their weapons into desire territories. She did not preach concilliation and understanding for a means of peaceful coexistence, but instead was a radical who believed the only solution was the destruction of the state of Israel.

Moreover, her ‘accidental’ death was filmed by her group International Solidarity Movement so that the world could see the event - the cameraman could have put down his camera and pulled her out of the way of the slow-moving tractor, but instead stayed put and got film of it.

Sound like an ‘accident’ to you? Or intentional attempted martyrdom for a radical cause? Looks like you are one of the dim bulbs that fell for the stunt.

And witness the above picture - ‘peace activist’ Corrie inspiring a generation of children standing beside her in the fine arts of radicalism, illiberalism, anti-Semitic hatred (which was your original question to us about Corrie) and murder of inncocent civilians. You think she is helping those poor Palestinian youths to a better life or helping send them on a path to personal destruction?

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“Bigotry is bigotry. Extremism is extremism. It is not limited to any one culture, race, religion, territory, or country. I have no problem with Israel existing, nor do I have a problem with Palestine existing for the Palestinian people. I also would like to see them get along better then they do.”

Agree 100%, although I don’t think we’ll ever see that day. I can certainly hope, though.