WW3 In the Making

Think of Israel as the instigator and the Americans and Russians as the stooges…

Russia, Israel and Media Omissions
February 17, 2005

The Oligarchs

Boris Berezovsky is one of seven “oligarchs,” as they are known both inside and outside Russia: massively rich, powerful manipulators who through violence, theft and corruption acquired a mammoth percentage (reports range from 70 to 85 percent) of Russia’s resources, from its oil to the auto industry to mass media outlets.

At the same time, the group steadily gained control over much of the country’s political apparatus. Using extraordinary financial resources and insider dealing, the oligarchs handpicked prime ministers and governmental leaders and barely even bothered to do this behind the scenes.

In 1997 Yukos founder Mikhail Khodorkovsky, one of the group and Russia’s sometimes richest man (several of the oligarchs trade the top spot back and forth) told an interviewer before he was arrested and imprisoned by Putin last year:

“If we rank all the fields of man’s activity by profitability, politics will be the most lucrative business. When we see a critical situation in the government, we draw lots in order to pick out a person from our milieu for work in power.” [5]

Almost all of these oligarchs, it turns out, have significant ties to Israel. In fact, Berezovsky himself has Israeli citizenship a fact that caused a scandal of Watergate proportions in Russia in 1996 when it was exposed by a Russian newspaper. [6]

Do Berezovsky’s dual loyalties really matter? Yes. In the realm of global dominance, Israel’s interests and Russia’s are considerably divergent. It is in Israel’s interests to bring to power a regime in Russia friendly to Israel, rather than the current one under Putin, which Israeli leaders feel is supportive of its enemies. Not long ago, for example, Putin met with Syrian leaders an action highly disturbing to Israel.

Having an Israeli citizen at the highest levels of the Russian government is ideal, from Israel’s point of view. In Berezovsky they had such a man. The Jerusalem Post article mentioned above is revealing. It describes Berezovsky as “the Godfather of the Oligarchs’ and Kingmaker of Russia’s Politics’” and reports Berezovsky’s statement that “Putin’s Russia is dangerous for Israel.”

Berezovsky goes on to assert that Putin “supports terror” in the Middle East through Russia’s previous relations with Iraq and current relations with Iran. [7]

For years, the neocons’ push for war against Iraq was largely uncovered by the US media. For even longer, the neocons’ close connections to Israel have gone largely unmentioned in mainstream American news reports. As a result, very few Americans know to what degree many of those responsible for the tragic US invasion and occupation of Iraq have been motivated by Israeli concerns.

The omission in coverage of Iraq has been profoundly disastrous, both for the Middle East and for Americans. In fact, it is quite likely that only history will show the true extent of this disaster. It is deeply troubling to see the same kind of omission occurring on Russia.
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir02172005.html

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict

EU poll: Israel ‘biggest threat’ to world peace
U.S. beats out ‘axis of evil’ in causing global instability
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35383


More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.
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We’ll wait while you list all the advantages of our cozy alliance.

Is it the weapons sales to China, the spying, or maybe their growing sex trade you so admire?

US ‘anger’ at Israel weapons sale

U.S. Arms Sales to Israel End Up In China, Iraq
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0509-07.htm

U.S. Police and Intelligence Hit by Spy Network

Israel blacklisted by U.S.
American International Trade Commission says Israel among world’s major intellectual property violators

Israel’s Sex Trade Escalating
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/world/main682673.shtml

Israel’s sex trade booming
TEL AVIV - Thousands of women are being smuggled into Israel, creating a booming sex trade industry that rakes more than USD one billion a year, a parliamentary committee said on Wednesday.

Findings showed that some 3,000 and 5,000 women are smuggled to Israel annually and sold into the prostitution industry, where they are constantly subjected to violence and abuse.

The U.S. State Department ranks Israel in the second tier of human trafficking around the world

Money well spent…

U.S. Congress approves transfer of $600 million in aid to Israel
12/24/2005
The United States Congress approved Friday the transfer of $600 million in aid to Israel, according to media reports.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/661833.html

US government warns it’s running out of cash
12/30/2005
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Treasury Secretary John Snow has warned that unless Congress raises the national debt limit, the US government will run out of cash to finance its daily work in two months.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051230/ts_afp/uspoliticseconomy

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.
[/quote]

…or the drug smuggling?

‘Sammy Bull’ Trial Lifts Veil On Israelis in Ecstasy Trade
A celebrated mob informant’s trial on drug-distribution charges is opening a window on an aspect of the drug trade that many New Yorkers would rather ignore. According to federal and local law enforcement officials, Israeli criminals have cornered the market on the drug ecstasy, controlling by some accounts as much as 75% of the American market.
http://www.forward.com/issues/2001/01.01.19/news3.html

And who can forget Jack Abramoff’s “charity work”?

The Fast Rise and Steep Fall of Jack Abramoff
There is no evidence money went to city kids, but the foundation did fund some of Abramoff’s pet projects: a sniper school for Israelis in the West Bank

How perfectly normal…

I knew there was a secret musllim conspiracy behind JTF. That explains much

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
More anti Israel bullshit from JTF.

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Incase you didn’t know the palestinians were in jerusalem before the israelis.

It does seem to be true that the news about Isreals trasgressions is not made public in the United States.
Here in Europe we get info a bit less edited. Both sides of the story are told.
Isreal does have a bad habit of breaking international laws while screaming “fowl” at the top of it’s lungs whenever they see fit.
Isreal also has illegal nuclear weapons. That’s what the Arab nations are afraid of. Isreal using them.
Now don’t get me wrong…I’m not saying that they are right or wrong in what they do. I’m just stating facts.
I have made 2 trips to Isreal and I have to say that living there is an ordeal.
The security checks in order to get on a plane from TelAviv to Eilat almost made me cancel my trip.
I don’t envy those people their lifestyle and understand that they will fight against any extra threats to their already difficult lives.

Just remember there are always two sides to every story.

[quote]grey wrote:
It does seem to be true that the news about Isreals trasgressions is not made public in the United States.
Here in Europe we get info a bit less edited. Both sides of the story are told.
Isreal does have a bad habit of breaking international laws while screaming “fowl” at the top of it’s lungs whenever they see fit.
Isreal also has illegal nuclear weapons. That’s what the Arab nations are afraid of. Isreal using them.
Now don’t get me wrong…I’m not saying that they are right or wrong in what they do. I’m just stating facts.
I have made 2 trips to Isreal and I have to say that living there is an ordeal.
The security checks in order to get on a plane from TelAviv to Eilat almost made me cancel my trip.
I don’t envy those people their lifestyle and understand that they will fight against any extra threats to their already difficult lives.

Just remember there are always two sides to every story.[/quote]

European media is a little more negative about Israel as they are further to the left then the American media, and the American media is already liberal.

About Israel, they are an aggressive nation, and yes their methods are questionable. Part of that is because they live in an area that does not think they should exist, and has tried to eliminate them before.

If they do not take a stand they will be wiped off the map.

It is hard being Jewish in an area where all the surrounding countries believe Hitler was right, and deny the Holocaust. (Not actually because they don’t believe it happened, but that they don’t think it went far enough.)

[quote]alstan90 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
vroom wrote:
They are buying missles not to use them?

I’m much more concerned about nuclear ambitions and other nonsense than defensive missile purchases.

You make a valid point Vroom. The only problem is that most of the missiles they are buying will be outfitted to carry possible nuclear arms. This is sort of topic for another thread but Irans’ intentions are not good and everyone knows this. I don’t think anyone should have nuclear weapons, but since they exsist they should be taken seriously and any threat of use should be handled acordingly by all civilized nations.

So Iran are not a civilised nation?
How do you define civilised?

Civilized nations do not call for the destruction of other nations(i.e. Iranian pres. calling for destruction of Israel). Civilized nations do not advocate terrorism or support and harbor terrorists. Iran has proven over and over again it is for the downfall of western civilazation.

Yes because the U.S has never harbored terrorism. Giving the taliban money to fight the communists and giving sadam hussein money to destroy Iran. If the U.S wouldn’t have fucked about in the first place, 9/11 wouldn’t have happened; and saddam wouldn’t have been in power. Saving hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides of the atlantic. et your so-called civilised nation holds people in awful conditions without trial at guantanomo bay. Despite the fact that only a small percentage of these people will have been terrorists. YOUR civilised nation refuses to sign up for the kyoto agreement and is responsible for just under half the emissions on the planet. If the Day after tommorow does come, it will be mostly your fault.[/quote]

Hiding out in London while the USA protects your ass. Tsk, tsk, …

Rut ro…more WorldNetDaily paranoia or truth?

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48142

NUCLEAR WAR-FEAR
Reports: U.S. preparing
military strike on Iran
German press speculates dispatch of officials
to Turkey, Pakistan meant to prepare allies


Posted: December 31, 2005
5:25 p.m. Eastern

? 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

While the U.S. has always refused to take the military option off the table in dealing with Iran, the German press is reporting new developments that indicate the U.S. has gone from acknowledging the possibility of action against Tehran’s suspected clandestine nuclear weapons program to preparing its allies for a strike.

According to Der Spiegel, the German daily, reports of a pending strike escalated following Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s recent statements that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map and his calls for Israelis to be relocated to Europe.

On Dec. 23, a journalist for the German news agency DDP, who is also an intelligence expert, cited “western security sources” in a report claiming CIA Director Porter Goss asked Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to provide full intelligence cooperation and exchange for a possible air strike on Iran’s nuclear and military facilities.

Goss reportedly provided Turkey with three dossiers at the Dec. 12 meeting containing evidence Tehran is cooperating with the Islamic terror network al-Qaida, as well as information about the current status of Iran’s weapons program. German security sources, it is reported, say Goss assured Erdogan Turkey would be alerted to any air strikes, should they occur, a few hours before they were launched. Goss also gave the Turkish government the “green light” to strike the separatist Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in Iran if the U.S. proceeds.

The governments of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Oman and Pakistan were also informed in recent weeks that air strikes are a “possible option,” but no timeline was provided

Ahmadinejad’s anti-Semitic speeches and claim the Holocaust is a “myth,” it is speculated, have cemented the view in Washington that Iran would not back down in a nuclear showdown and Tehran is simply trying to buy time by continuing its talks with the Europeans.

“I would be very surprised if the Americans, in the mid-term, didn’t take advantage of the opportunity delivered by Tehran,” said a high-ranking German military official. “The Americans have to attack Iran before the country can develop nuclear weapons. After that would be too late.”

In the January 2005 New Yorker, journalist Seymour Hersh reported that clandestine American commando groups were already on the ground in Iran, marking likely targets ? a report the Bush administration attempted to play down as containing inaccurate statements but did not dispute.

In recent weeks, the number of visits to Ankara by American and NATO security officials has increased significantly. The head of the FBI, NATO General Secretary Jaap De Hoop Scheffer and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have made stops in the Turkish capital.

Joining the speculation in the German press, the left-nationalist Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, though unable to discover the substance of their talks, noted the unusually long meeting Goss and Erdogan held with, “Now it’s Iran’s turn.”

As reported by WorldNetDaily, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered his defense forces to plan for a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities by the end of March ? the time intelligence sources say Tehran will be able to begin producing nuclear weapons.

The question that should be addressed is: Why is the government of Iran buying these missiles in the first place? The obvious answer is, of course, they’re developing WMDs and don’t want Israel or the US destroying same. Now, why would they want WMDs? They know they would lose a war with the USA, so IMO, the weapons are directed at their own people! If the Iranian people are convinced that no one can rescue them, or destroy their oppressors, they will simply give up and accept the theocracy. They will perceive that they are powerless, the USA cannot liberate them (as in Iraq) without massive destruction, and they will simply give up.

Thoughts anyone?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
vroom wrote:
They are buying missles not to use them?

I’m much more concerned about nuclear ambitions and other nonsense than defensive missile purchases.

You make a valid point Vroom. The only problem is that most of the missiles they are buying will be outfitted to carry possible nuclear arms. This is sort of topic for another thread but Irans’ intentions are not good and everyone knows this. I don’t think anyone should have nuclear weapons, but since they exsist they should be taken seriously and any threat of use should be handled acordingly by all civilized nations.

So Iran are not a civilised nation?

How do you define civilised?

Civilized nations do not call for the destruction of other nations(i.e. Iranian pres. calling for destruction of Israel). Civilized nations do not advocate terrorism or support and harbor terrorists. Iran has proven over and over again it is for the downfall of western civilazation.

Yes because the U.S has never harbored terrorism. Giving the taliban money to fight the communists and giving sadam hussein money to destroy Iran. If the U.S wouldn’t have fucked about in the first place, 9/11 wouldn’t have happened; and saddam wouldn’t have been in power. Saving hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides of the atlantic. et your so-called civilised nation holds people in awful conditions without trial at guantanomo bay. Despite the fact that only a small percentage of these people will have been terrorists. YOUR civilised nation refuses to sign up for the kyoto agreement and is responsible for just under half the emissions on the planet. If the Day after tommorow does come, it will be mostly your fault.

Hiding out in London while the USA protects your ass. Tsk, tsk, …[/quote]

Well actually i dont live in London. tsk tsk. Also I dont want the U.S protecting my ass. tsk tsk. Its more likely to get burned that way.

YOURE NOT SPREADING FREEDOM; ONLY HATE.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The question that should be addressed is: Why is the government of Iran buying these missiles in the first place? The obvious answer is, of course, they’re developing WMDs and don’t want Israel or the US destroying same. Now, why would they want WMDs? They know they would lose a war with the USA, so IMO, the weapons are directed at their own people! If the Iranian people are convinced that no one can rescue them, or destroy their oppressors, they will simply give up and accept the theocracy. They will perceive that they are powerless, the USA cannot liberate them (as in Iraq) without massive destruction, and they will simply give up.

Thoughts anyone?[/quote]

I wonder if you bros are aware of the fact that Iran is opening it’s new Bourse in February. Do you know what that means? It will be selling oil for Euro instead of dollars. Venezuela will be it’s first member.
Do you know what the ramifications are for the USA if it has to start paying for oil in Euro?
Think on that one and consider the convenience of Israels “strike” against Irans Nuclear aspirations.
Where you aware that Saddam started to sell oil for Euro right before the invasion?

[quote]alstan90 wrote:
YOURE NOT SPREADING FREEDOM; ONLY HATE. [/quote]

Only from those who hate freedom.

Now go wipe your nose and finish your homework kid.

We should inform Russia that if they complete the deal with Iran, we will present a similar deal with Chechyna.

[quote]alstan90 wrote:
Well actually i dont live in London. tsk tsk. Also I dont want the U.S protecting my ass. tsk tsk. Its more likely to get burned that way. [/quote]

Yea you’re right, you would probably be much happier speaking German right now.

In my letter to my representatives this month, I’ll ask them to stop “burning” europe the way we always have.

Alsta90,

Probably the only reason you’re alive at all is because America protects you. Read Churchill’s speech to the House of Commons after Dunkirk. It was true then and its true today. The Islamo-fascists would love nothing better than to see you completely destroyed – they get to be with Allah then or some other such bullshit.

You brought up Kyoto. You want to weaken the very nation that protects you! What do you think that POS treaty was created for? To clean up the environment? LOL. Third world countries are far filthier than we are (been there, know that). The whole environmental movement is just a con game meant to weaken the one nation holding this crazy-ass world together. Kyoto! LMAO!

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
Well actually i dont live in London. tsk tsk. Also I dont want the U.S protecting my ass. tsk tsk. Its more likely to get burned that way.

Yea you’re right, you would probably be much happier speaking German right now.

In my letter to my representatives this month, I’ll ask them to stop “burning” europe the way we always have.[/quote]

My father landed at Omaha with 89 other guys in his company. There were 3 of those guys left by the time they got to Pilzner, Czechoslovakia at wars end – all so we can hear how we’re burning the world and the wonders of Kyoto!
What a crock! Is England getting as bad as those fistfuck French ingrates?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Thoughts anyone?[/quote]

Really I don’t think they would have the capability of hitting the US, but it would destabilize the region, and in the wrong hands the idea of use is not considered a last option, but a great idea of wiping Israel off the map.

[quote]grey wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The question that should be addressed is: Why is the government of Iran buying these missiles in the first place? The obvious answer is, of course, they’re developing WMDs and don’t want Israel or the US destroying same. Now, why would they want WMDs? They know they would lose a war with the USA, so IMO, the weapons are directed at their own people! If the Iranian people are convinced that no one can rescue them, or destroy their oppressors, they will simply give up and accept the theocracy. They will perceive that they are powerless, the USA cannot liberate them (as in Iraq) without massive destruction, and they will simply give up.

Thoughts anyone?

I wonder if you bros are aware of the fact that Iran is opening it’s new Bourse in February. Do you know what that means? It will be selling oil for Euro instead of dollars. Venezuela will be it’s first member.
Do you know what the ramifications are for the USA if it has to start paying for oil in Euro?
Think on that one and consider the convenience of Israels “strike” against Irans Nuclear aspirations.
Where you aware that Saddam started to sell oil for Euro right before the invasion?

[/quote]

Yes, I heard this on the conspiracy radio shows, the same ones where they say the governments are actually run by the Illuminati, who are in fact lizard people. (I am not kidding you.)

I have seriously thought about this and cannot understand what difference this would make. The dollar’s stability is not based on whether or not the world likes using it, but it is actually the opposite. The world uses the dollar because it is so stable. (Regardless of current trends downward, that is normal market fluctuation.)

Also no real dollars are ever traded, everything is electronic, so it actually is nothing more then a measure. So to say we went to war because of the switch, it would be like saying a country went to war because another decided to measure their oil in Stones instead of barrels.

Check out this article. (About half way down under the headline Oil-Euro-Dollar Link, you won?t miss it.)

http://www.speculative-investor.com/new/article040403.html