It’s such a shame that a few soldiers are willing to do crap like this and now some politicians are going to start pointing fingers, then the media is going to start pointing fingers, and then the whole public is going to start pointing fingers. They’ll blame the government, the military, and United States in general. All it takes is a few a-holes and now the entire nation has to try and defend itself. Watch. That’s how it’s going to go down; perhaps a slight exaggeration, but think about the last instance of collegiate wrestler death and how THAT got blown out of proportions…[/quote]
Those pictures are f$$$$n awful. Not a good look for the coalition forces. The reason this stuff is as bad or worse than the sites showing beheadings of Westerners is that the coalition claims to be trying to win hearts and minds. The terrorists never made that claim. They’re arseholes and never tried to claim otherwise.
[quote]JohnGullick wrote:
Those pictures are f$$$$n awful. Not a good look for the coalition forces. The reason this stuff is as bad or worse than the sites showing beheadings of Westerners is that the coalition claims to be trying to win hearts and minds. The terrorists never made that claim. They’re arseholes and never tried to claim otherwise.[/quote]
Seriously, we are worried about this one incident of stupidity? The whole conflict is stupid. We are driving up oil prices b/c the insurgents keep blowing up pipes and whatnot. We are angering these mysanthropic arabs by invading their country and deposing their leader for a cause that was apparantly made up. We have hurt ourselves economically b/c the money spent on this could be better used elsewhere such as our educational system or technology research or anything useful. We have hurt the iraqis b/c they will have a politically unstable govmnt no matter what happens for a while. We have hurt our own political clout now b/c we wont be taken as seriously w/ real events like Iran who actually does have nukes in the future. Frequently, blunders are caused by arrogance. It’s bush’s arrogance that is making bad decisions w/ horrible outcomes for the US of A Y’all are missing the tree’s b/c of the freaking forest.
Those pictures are f$$$$n awful. Not a good look for the coalition forces. The reason this stuff is as bad or worse than the sites showing beheadings of Westerners is that the coalition claims to be trying to win hearts and minds. The terrorists never made that claim. They’re arseholes and never tried to claim otherwise.[/quote]
Why are the pictures awful, because they show the truth about the terrorists and what they stand for. Death, Destruction, Mayhem and Totalitarianism. To me that is what we should be seeing from Iraq, everyday pasted across the newspaper. Dead Iraqis, blow to pieces by car bombs, innocent people having their heads cut off and American soldiers shooting these dirtbags. The American people have forgetten who we are fighting and what evil these people are capable of. We should broadcast Saddam and Son’s execution videos every night, along with footage of the twin towers crumbling. We can even broadcast the execution of Danny Pearl, a man who was killed because he is Jewish. Don’t forget,we are fighting animals, that don’t fear death, what do you expect?
May I quote Snatch, “Is he allowed to do that?”, “Yeah Tommy, this isn’t a tickling contest, these boys are out to hurt each other.”
[quote]IronHell wrote:
Well, yes, I can sympathize the “taking pictures” and using it to pump yourself up and saying this A-HOLE just tried to kill me f*him, I got him (or her) first! Boo-ya!
Now of course I realize 1) this site says “allegedly” so maybe this is all made up, who knows and 2) I am not in these soldiers’ shoes, WTF am I to judge right?
You say this is war, understandable, but at what point do we stop excusing people merely because they were at war?[quote]
well, that’ s a good point…these are soldiers. they are trained to kill. that’s why they have assault rifles, and extensive training in making their enemy die. don’t be surprised if they’re a little desensitized towards death…that’s their job.
yeah, taking pics might seem stupid, but have any of you heard about gathering intel on the enemy? like who is this guy, what’s he wearing, who’s he with??? any recon soldier, or at least half-way decent grunt will tell you that’s one of the most important things to look at after you’ve made contact and cleared your objective.
next time you get shot at come talk to me and tell me how you feel then…
well, that’ s a good point…these are soldiers. they are trained to kill. that’s why they have assault rifles, and extensive training in making their enemy die. don’t be surprised if they’re a little desensitized towards death…that’s their job.
yeah, taking pics might seem stupid, but have any of you heard about gathering intel on the enemy? like who is this guy, what’s he wearing, who’s he with??? any recon soldier, or at least half-way decent grunt will tell you that’s one of the most important things to look at after you’ve made contact and cleared your objective.
next time you get shot at come talk to me and tell me how you feel then…[/quote]
Ironhell,
after re-reading my post today, i realize it came off a bit caustic, and wanted to point out that it was not any sort of personal attack on you.
that being said, people that deal with death on a daily basis are used to it…talk to any ER staff. Nurses are notorious for having skewed senses of humor…but that’s how it is. if every time someone died they broke down and had an emotional attack, they couldn’t do the job…
the pics are pics…whatever. i’m sure some were used to collect intel (which is why i carry a digital camera with me on patrol), and some might have been random pics of thier buddies, who might not have made it back from the war.