WTF Penn State?!?!?!

MattyXL · November 9, 2011, 5:41pm

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.

I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.

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I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.

Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)

–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
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Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…

I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
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I agree and I think he should be out NOW, not at the end of the season. What he know or didn’t is questionable, but he knew enough and did nothing.[/quote]

x2 it seems if Joe Pa is going out on his own terms, maybe this time he shouldnt.

MattyXL · November 9, 2011, 5:43pm

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

I’ve heard of bars getting sued if they serve someone too much alcohol and that person gets into an accident and kills someone. Why? Because they saw someone was a threat and chose to do nothing. Whether it is a drunk behind the wheel or a pedophile in the locker room is semantics.

I’m not saying JoePa is legally responsible, but he sure as shit ain’t innocent.

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I agree with that… I just think he should be 10% of the story instead of 90%. I’m not talking about you personally or even this thread - it’s all over every media outlet. JoePa’s pic and story are front and center at ESPN.com right now.

Sandusky was the story for one goddamn day and now it’s all about JoePa… and it will continue to be for the rest of the season. It’s a disservice to those kids (by the way, the count of kids coming forward is now near 20. Two-zero.)

–Where are the stories of the kids, and the stories of Sandusky? This guy used the most vile methods imaginable to get alone time with children and the #1 question on our minds is whether this will affect JoePa’s fucking retirement date? Fucking seriously, USA?
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Respectfully disagree bro, I think it goes w/o saying that Sandusky is the scum of the earth. However its actually IMO so much more abstract with regards to Paterno. I dont follow College sports at all, however Joe Paterno even to the outsider represented what was right with football PSU represented what was right with college sports for that matter, in fact I have read that he and the university has somewhat turned their nose up at other Universities for their “questionable” practices. When this happens to an institution that seems to be held to higher standards and always seem to adopt the high road its even more crushing when the most visible figure head knew about such horid events and simply didnt do enough…

I liken the Paterno to a single mother who invites her boyfriend over and the boyfriend abuses her daughter/son, willfull, woeful, criminal neglect.
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The only caveat we will offer is we really don’t know how much Paterno knew. We can all surmise and make guesses (I certainly have), but it’s hard for me to pass a solid judgement without knowing 100% sure.

If all he had is one secondhand report about a friend of 30 years, and it was vague… it’s a little different than if he really knew/suspected what was going on. PERSONALLY I think he shielded him and knew more, but that is my opinion of what he knew and will withhold judgement until if/when it becomes reported as fact.[/quote]

According to the 23 page grand jury indictment…he was informed on two separate occasions by wittiness’s to abuse…including a “visibly shaken” graduate assistant. And only went to the A.D. (who he has more power than on campus… you must know that).

And never went to the police. and continued to see Sandusky on campus WITH CHILDREN.

He is the captain of the ship, the buck stops with him…it is most certainly ABOUT HIM!!![/quote]

I would love to be a fly on the wall for that Joe PA AD convo…

Tex_Ag · November 9, 2011, 7:22pm

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I honestly think this is gonna turn out to be bigger than just a a cover up by the school. The guy was reported to police in '98 and NOTHING happened. I think pockets were lined and blind eyes were turned all over that town to keep this thing from ever going public.[/quote]

On Jim Rome’s radio show this morning, a caller speculated that this could bring out the “death penalty” for PSU’s storied football program.

Considering the NCAA shuttered SMU’s football program shuttered for covering up recruiting violations, how is this coverup not 1000x worse??

Maybe firing absolutely everyone will suffice, but then again maybe not…
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As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.

Its not necessarily fair to condemn the entire athletic program but lets face it, if PSU was a religion, JoePa would be the fucking Pope. Reporting the actions to the AD is a step backwards in the realistic chain of command. Who the hell on that campus is going to cross Paterno?

It will be really interesting to see what is talked about if/when Paterno does a press conference. Reports say he was willing and ready to talk yesterday before the President of the University pulled the plug. Looks like that joker isn’t going to finish the week. Reports are that Tom Ridge is going to step in as acting President.

This story is just so damn shady. I am sure there are a million reasons why the DA who called off the investigation after Sandusky confessed to the mother vanished in 2005, had his hard drive demolished and is suspected dead. And to jump to the conclusion that it is in direct relation to this case is rather short sighted, but DAMN that is shady as fuck! [/quote]

Wait, missing perhaps dead DA and destroyed evidence. How reported is this?

I am NOT doubting SP but has anyone else seen this. If this is true let’s get the spotlight on it.

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Iron_Dwarf · November 9, 2011, 6:09pm

I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).

Tex_Ag · November 9, 2011, 6:11pm

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
As previously mentioned, its a criminal investigation so NCAA really can’t do anything. However, I can’t imagine that any parent is going to be chomping at the bit to have a coach from PSU come sit in their living room and convince their son/daughter how great PSU is.
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^^This.

This whole incident will be a recruiting NIGHTMARE… No good players are going to want to go there now. Their football program has just been stuck in a 10 year hole (so to speak)[/quote]

As much as I don’t want to make this about football… yeah we’ve already lost one top recruit I know of, and he won’t be the last.[/quote]

Well thats a huge part of it (sadly)

No doubt that all of the people involved will no longer be employed by Penn State after this is over with (as they should) and with the lack of NCAA sanctions one BIG thing that’s going to hamper the university, besides the bad rep, is the lack of revenue produced by the football team which is huge.[/quote]

I don’t think people will stop going to games… revenue shouldn’t suffer.[/quote]

with shitty recruiting they wont have a good record and wont be going to BCS game anytime soon… ever. Thats a $12-20 Million hit. Also… if you’re a prestigious bowl commissioner/comity are you going to invite Penn State to play in your bowl with all the bad press it would bring? I doubt it.

Penn State will be playing in the Cheese Whiz Snack Attack Bowl for the next few years lol[/quote]

I think they won’t care about negative press given that PSU packs every bowl stadium and it’s TV audience (and corresponding ad revenue) is close to tops in the country. It’s all about the benjamins broseph.
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So is PSU the new Notre Dame?

UtahLama · November 9, 2011, 6:13pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).[/quote]

It’s been mentioned a couple hundred times…he was a former college QB, and ran to his daddy after coming across it in the locker room. Also never went to the police after Paterno swept it under the rug.

Unacceptable behavior from any man.

Tex_Ag · November 9, 2011, 6:16pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).[/quote]

Try having a daughter.

One of the articles mentioned earlier said he took a hands on role in his camps which would see 10,000 kids a year. As other victims see safety in numbers (after enough victims the number of victims becomes more important than the victims in the media) I image the numbers will be terribly high and not account for everyone as well.

Iron_Dwarf · November 9, 2011, 6:17pm

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).[/quote]

It’s been mentioned a couple hundred times…he was a former college QB, and ran to his daddy after coming across it in the locker room. Also never went to the police after Paterno swept it under the rug.

Unacceptable behavior from any man.[/quote]

That’s what I mean, UL. He didn’t step in (never mind reporting it to the police). A child is being raped and this idiot turns away and later tells daddy??? WTF!

Tex_Ag · November 9, 2011, 6:23pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).[/quote]

It’s been mentioned a couple hundred times…he was a former college QB, and ran to his daddy after coming across it in the locker room. Also never went to the police after Paterno swept it under the rug.

Unacceptable behavior from any man.[/quote]

That’s what I mean, UL. He didn’t step in (never mind reporting it to the police). A child is being raped and this idiot turns away and later tells daddy??? WTF!
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This has me shaking my head to. I understand to a point why he reported it only to Jo Pa but do not get not stopping it, if only making a loudnoise to break them and then walk in and tell San that he was needed in Jo Pa’s office.

WhiteFlash · November 9, 2011, 6:37pm

I think we’re gonna be collectively FLOORED by how far down the rabbit hole this goes. That entire regions economy is supported by PSU’s football program. If something were to happen to the program, the damage done would be catastrophic. Add to that Paterno’s place in the community and what would happen if that were somehow tarnished [and the residual damage done to the program] and you have the recipe for a MASSIVE cover-up.

Not sure we’ll ever get the full details, but it’s pretty obvious that some seriously fucked up shit has been going down for awhile now while people in positions of power were not only fully aware, they acted as if nothing were happening and let it continue. This may potentially be the biggest story in American sports history.

UtahLama · November 9, 2011, 6:45pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I think we’re gonna be collectively FLOORED by how far down the rabbit hole this goes. That entire regions economy is supported by PSU’s football program. If something were to happen to the program, the damage done would be catastrophic. Add to that Paterno’s place in the community and what would happen if that were somehow tarnished [and the residual damage done to the program] and you have the recipe for a MASSIVE cover-up.

Not sure we’ll ever get the full details, but it’s pretty obvious that some seriously fucked up shit has been going down for awhile now while people in positions of power were not only fully aware, they acted as if nothing were happening and let it continue. This may potentially be the biggest story in American sports history.[/quote]

For my money, this is the most shocking thing I have seen since the O.J. Simpson debacle.

WhiteFlash · November 9, 2011, 6:47pm

^^^^ Easily. I think when it’s all said and done this will make the Simpson trial look minor in comparison.

Tex_Ag · November 9, 2011, 7:13pm

^ the OJ thing was minor to begin with, it really only affected a few people until the media insisted on making it a bigger story (though the discussions about race in US was interesting and potentially good). I think this has much greater importance because of how many people have been and are going to be directly affected by this.

Maybe when people say “we have to protect the children” they will start including boys in that equation.

EDIT: One reason I am particularly annoyed with the OJ coverage was it minimized the Oklahoma City bombing, so ex-football star verse domestic terrorism and the football star won.

pat · November 9, 2011, 7:03pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I haven’t read most of the posts here, but does anyone wonder why the assistant didn’t intervene when he came upon the scene with scumbag and 10 year old boy?

I can only imagine that nearly all of us here would have knocked that fucker out and saved that kid if we were in the assistant’s shoes.

The whole thing has me sickened and angered. I have a teenage son. Heaven help any pedo scumbag who lays a hand on him. Damn right I’d risk going to prison for killing the fucker.

(Settle down, ID. Take some deep breaths).[/quote]

Good point. Quite honestly, I would probably still be standing there with my jaw hung open in disbelief. I think the fear for of not being believed would be the reason he hesitated to contact the police. That and perhaps not believing his own eyes? I would hope I would be the living shit out of the asshole… Can’t know until you’ve been there.

I really can’t find any deviance enough to find little kids sexually attractive. I think they should hang this nasty motherfucker in the town square and leave his body to rot for a few weeks. Or perhaps we should shove a living snake up his ass.
Hell I don’t know, but I do hope he gets raped a lot in prison. He deserves at least that.

pat · November 9, 2011, 7:09pm

Anybody notice how distinctly silent the NCAA is? By God, if a kid gets dinner bought for him because he is a football player, they suspend the coach, fine the school and ruins the kid’s life and end his career. But if a coach ass-rapes a little kid in the school shower, it’s cool, nothing to see here. Maybe they all did it with him and that’s why they haven’t done anything.

Seriously, they are ready to end programs because of questionable recruiting or players attending parties of agents but child rape is a-ok with them? This wasn’t ‘molestation’. This is full-on rape. He didn’t feel a kid up, he plunged his full-size adult dick in to a 10 year-old’s asshole.

SmilingPolitely · November 9, 2011, 7:08pm

[quote]Tex Ag wrote: